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TM on top 1099's + V8's

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is what I've been trying to re-create via Erich's flatpacks over the last few weeks. I've been too chicken to post until now, in case it blew up in my face...

Goals:

#1 - Improve SQ: I like my system now, but I've been wondering What If? lately. Then some of the reviews started rolling in over the summer, and 1099 Fever set in.

#2 - Build something: It's been a long time since 8th grade woodshop, and I sold/gave away all my tools a few years ago when we moved, but I still had the itch. Combine that with a renewed interest in HT, and DIY was a no-brainer (haha - famous last words). Fortunately, Erich makes it almost that easy...

#3 - Go big: At first, I thought the 1099's were too big for my room. A couple of brief emails with Erich were spot on, and nudged me in the right direction - if I was going to do this, do it big. And trade out the TV and stick them below a projector screen. Ugh, this site is really bad for my bank account!

#4 - WAF: This fits with #3 . The only way I was going to get buy-in on the size of the 1099's was to make 'em pretty. So I dropped a bunch of cash (and brain cells) on cherry veneer. Not again any time soon - just say no to contact cement.

#5 - Placement: Somewhere in one of the threads, it was mentioned that the 1099's would minimize boundary effects, and placement is key for me. My room (more info in sig) has potential to be really good, but the #1 drawback is that the front wall is also the hallway from the garage to the upstairs, so all the equipment has to be smack up against the front wall (or it will get run into by loads of groceries). If the 1099's help with this, it will be effort well spent (measurements to come later).

So, I posted this here:



and got this response from Tux - from that point, it was game on...

Oh, and I threw in a couple of V-8 Volts for surrounds for good measure.
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Shopping List

I kept pretty close track of what I bought during the course of the project, I hope someone else finds this helpful.

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Crossovers

I used @mtg90's layout here as a template. The tops look similar, but the bottoms - not so much...




Boards cut, dry run




And a few nights later...




Flipside




All tested OK, sounds good so far

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Boxes & Baffle Surgery

The obligatory photo showing Erich's mastery of the packing arts:




V8's went together easy




Weight that sucker down with whatever you have on hand (found use for dead UPS) - center channel box




Post baffle surgery dry fit (found out my neighbor has a DeWalt table saw - woohoo!)




Box modification - in hindsight I should have re-done the dado, but I just shelved it in with glue (and yes, mistakes were made )




Rocky to the rescue! Was a little bit worried about it being brittle, but this stuff has worked really well for a variety of things in the past, and doesn't swell, so I went with it.




Sanded up nicely - too bad about that focus thing. Note magnets for grills.

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Veneer and Finishing

V8's are the guinea pigs - never veneered anything before. Many thanks to @chalugadp for the YouTube videos!

Note pieces of grill frame used to help position veneer.




Seems to have turned out OK




Center getting the treatment




Disaster strikes! Trim router bearing slipped off the front edge at the top of the WG opening and scooped out the top/front edge of the cabinet




Flaw hidden - whew!! Ending up cutting a new top piece of veneer, re-veneering the top and *very carefully* setting the router depth and trimming the front edge. When the front piece of veneer went on, it matched up perfectly. Damn lucky




LCR ready for sanding



Finishing Plan:

The finish work is definitely the weakest part of my game, and I got a bit paranoid reading all of the "blotchy cherry" posts on the web, so when the local Woodcraft store had a one-day class advertised, I signed up. The instructor had 40 years of experience making furniture and guitars and really seemed like he knew what he was talking about. I ended up changing my original plan of just using Tung oil to the oil-based General Finishes stuff based on the mini projects we did during the eight hour class.

Here is what I ended up with:
1) Clean up all the glue boogers on the faces and edges with small scraper and P100 sandpaper where needed <-- ack, hardest/longest part!
2) Sand 20 strokes with Norton 3X P220 (the instructor was a sanding fanatic and had us count strokes - prep work FTW!!)
3) Sand 20 strokes with Norton 3X P320
4) Apply General Finishes Seal-A-Cell Clear - brush on, wipe off, let dry 24 hours
5) Scuff with 0000 steel wool, apply General Finishes Arm-R-Seal Satin top coat - brush on, wipe off, let dry 12-24 hours
6) Repeat Step 5 twice more for three top coats total
7) Final light scuff with 0000 steel wool for matte/satin finish

Sanding - four down, one to go




Sanding complete, seal applied.

V8's:



L & R:


Really happy with the color so far. Was going for a honey/amber that will show the grain and let the cherry naturally age to a slightly darker pink/red underneath, and this is right on track with that. My sample ended up a bit darker after three top coats, but that also sat in the sun a bit, so picked up some of the natural coloration already. Looking forward to see how the bigger faces compare.

All I need is a bit of steel wool dust to find the grill magnets - they pull the stuff right out of the air...



Finishing done - now on to the fun part!!
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Wiring, Stuffing & Drivers

Got all the drivers and connector wires wrangled this weekend in between layers of top coat



A helpful little reminder courtesy of my assistant and his silver Sharpie



Foam pieces cut



Stuffing V8's. That's a piece of an old mesh laundry bag that I cut up to keep the poly fill from smothering the crossover. I did the same thing at the port openings on the bottom - not sure if it's really necessary, but it was easy to do so I figured why not.



Done with V8's, time for a little LR duty for testing





I'm really kind of stunned at how good they sound. I have a pretty low bar in terms of my old speakers, but these just crushed my old center channel - especially with the volume getting up there. Going to be a long day at work before I can get at least the center 1099 done tonight!

The 1099's take a lot longer to wire and stuff than the V8's, that's for sure - just a lot more going on... Having said that, the center is done!

In progress, trying to impersonate a Domokun



And made it in time for the Daily Show



Hard to tell much from just a cable TV talk show with it sitting on the floor (wife had dibs on the basement), but it is definitely very clear and voices are distinct. Looking forward to spending more time with it fore sure.

A couple of pics from the stretch run (got a late start so didn't take many)





Left done



Right done



Room is a mess, but they're in



Did some quick 1:00am testing with Pandora - I know I know, but I was too tired to choose anything good... HOLY CRAP I JUST BUILT SOME NEW SPEAKERS AND THEY SOUND REALLY FREAKING GOOD!
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Coming along nicely! This is the first build I've seen putting the woofers on top of each other. Can't wait to see them finished!
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The obligatory photo showing Erich's mastery of the packing arts:

V8's went together easy

Weight that sucker down with whatever you have on hand (found use for dead UPS) - center channel box

Post baffle surgery dry fit (found out my neighbor has a DeWalt table saw - woohoo!)

Box modification - in hindsight I should have re-done the dado, but I just shelved it in with glue (and yes, mistakes were made )

Rocky to the rescue! Was a little bit worried about it being brittle, but this stuff has worked really well for a variety of things in the past, and doesn't swell, so I went with it.

Sanded up nicely - too bad about that focus thing. Note magnets for grills.
Subscribed! You're doing a great job and nice save on the veneer. I always get a little tense myself when I finally get to those last few steps.

That dead UPS might just need a new battery. I've replaced several in my APC UPSs. They're just generic lead batteries you can order directly from Amazon or some other battery selling website. Just get the same voltage and around the same amount of amps. (more amps if you want longer run time during a power outage)

Keep up the good work!
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Subscribed! You're doing a great job and nice save on the veneer. I always get a little tense myself when I finally get to those last few steps.

That dead UPS might just need a new battery. I've replaced several in my APC UPSs. They're just generic lead batteries you can order directly from Amazon or some other battery selling website. Just get the same voltage and around the same amount of amps. (more amps if you want longer run time during a power outage)

Keep up the good work!
Thanks for stopping by, and thanks for the tip on the UPS. I just grabbed it out of the dumpster at work a couple of weeks ago and haven't really had a chance to play with it much yet. I don't even know it if it's dead for sure, just that IT chucked it when they were moving some stuff. Knowing our IT crew, it's probably fine

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Bumped for updates above, mostly to Finishing section.

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Bumped for updates above, mostly to Finishing section.
Looking sweet! I'm going with cherry too and I'm very jealous of your progress!
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Bump for updates - all finishing done; V8's wired, stuffed and rocking!

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Hey awesome. Someone did it! I like how it looks. You're moving very fast. They look great
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Hey awesome. Someone did it! I like how it looks. You're moving very fast. They look great
Thanks Tux! I was moving really slow for a long time, now I just want to get it done - and the wife does too - so she's been OK with me spending a few hours a night in the garage...

Thanks very much for laying out your thought process on the 1099 thread - it was the one thing that pushed me over the edge and got going on building these. As this is my first attempt at DIY, reading your insight on what you (and Erich) did and why, measurements, etc. was really cool and something that sets DIY *way* apart from buying commercial. Great stuff, I learned a ton, and will never listen to speakers the same way again - in a good way

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Bump for done. Let the testing & tweaking begin...

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Yet another crappy photo - and still have some little things to sort out, but it all looks a bit more in scale now that the screen is up.

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Cross-posting a couple of pics from the recent Chicagoland GTG, thanks @eng-399 for the awesome venue and @holyindian for the terrific photos!

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I figured I would post this since I heard and seen these 1099's in person at the GTG. The finish is top notch I would give it a 10 a lot of people who seen these that day were all very impressed!!! The sound is amazing to I wish I had these in my room maybe down the road... Great job on the build and finish spotts!!! I'm sure your going to be happy for years to come with these I sure would.
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Now I remember this! Fantastic looking. Wish I had these myself! That's always a neat feeling when someone makes a set that I envy

Hope you enjoy them for a long time.
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