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Fusion 10 Max Build

Cinema 10 Max Build

Its time to post some details on this build. I have a good feeling about this speaker and hope it performs to my expectations. I talked to Erich and others here about going DIY for the mains and surrounds and figured with a new home and theater build, now was a good time to jump on in. Erich told me about the Max's a couple weeks prior to the release and it sounded like a good option. I ordered three Max's and received two large boxes on 11/15 and the baffle and x-over boards in two different shipments over the next week or so. Everything was superbly packed. I haven't finished them yet due to the room build and a thousand other things going on but should finish them in the next day or so.

I used a whole 4x8 sheet of MDF on the three cabs and lacked two braces so used part of another sheet. With me getting the first three available there was no flatpack available, which I probably would have declined anyway. I enjoy the cab building process except for the dust and it makes it more DIY. I'm impressed with the quality of these kits and really the only thing that I would add is if nylon spacers and screws were included for the xover board mounts. It took 2-3 hours to cut the wood glue and sand the cabs, hour and a half to build the covers and 2 hours to paint and finish mounting the drivers, etc. Paint has turned out surprisingly well for being flat interior latex put on with a 9" roller. What a timesaver it is to have a CNC'd baffle!

The Max's will be placed in a baffle wall, which I think is ideal for these speakers. Soon as my system is up and running and I find my omnimic and laptop I'll post some graphs. Again I'm pretty excited to see how these sound and what they'll do.

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Pics? Bonus points if something is close by for scale.

That kit looks almost as good as the 1099 on paper, but has a less complicated crossover, and to me looks a little more living room friendly.
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Pics? Bonus points if something is close by for scale.

That kit looks almost as good as the 1099 on paper, but has a less complicated crossover, and to me looks a little more living room friendly.
Tux has written about this. There is, accordingly him, a subtle difference in the mid range but he indicated that a vast majority of people wold probably not notice it.

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damn I want a pair of these for my L/R...
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Tux has written about this. There is, accordingly him, a subtle difference in the mid range but he indicated that a vast majority of people wold probably not notice it.
It does make it so difficult to order. E.g., I was contemplating L/C/R in the Alpha Minion MTM line (if the MTM ever makes an appearance). But the Alpha MTM will cost, I believe, another $100-150 (rough math) compared to the Fusion 10 Max.

MFusick felt his 1099 "sounded" better than the Alpha 8 minion, and obviously considerably more clean SPL given the Minion only has 1 8". But now I wonder whether I'd be better served with the Max 10's, especially if in fact I don't go with a center channel and go Phantom due to room/WAF constraints (it's a huge room at ~4700 cubic feet and open to a kitchen). Then of course the driver on the Minion's looks much nicer than the Max 10 drivers (looks like the Max 10's have the cork trim or whatever it's called around the driver), which for me is also a factor given the room it is going in. Plus there is the potential new 3-way designs briefly touched on in the "Rallying" thread. Decisions decisions...

 

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Pics? Bonus points if something is close by for scale.

That kit looks almost as good as the 1099 on paper, but has a less complicated crossover, and to me looks a little more living room friendly.
Tons of pics will be posted tonight or tomorrow at latest.
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Subscribed! Looking forward to the pix and the out come. I'm eyeing for my L/R.
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Everything was packed, shipped and received in excellent shape. Received these boxes then a couple days later the baffles and finally a third shipment containing the xover boards.


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Eighteen nicely wrapped ports. How cool is that! The sites states the cab dims as 12.5x13x32. I built mine 12.5x12.5x32 due to space constraints. Second pic is flat pack with half the braces. The braces were cut with a standard four inch hole saw. Four holes in each of twelve braces then the six top and bottom braces were trim on a table with a plunge cut. only took about 30-40 mins to finish the braces.




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Heres with all gluing and rough sanding done.





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Waveguide and CD.








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The crossover. This was such an simple build on all aspects, the cover, the cabs, the finish that I would recommend this to any novice builder. The last pics shows the screw and nylon spacer that I used from my stock. I think that if that was added to the kit it would be a plus and be one less thing to worry about or have to purchase. Just a thought.





OK boys I'm out for tonight. Should complete these kits tomorrow and I'll keep the pics coming.
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Looks awesome so far! Didn't realize there wasn't a flat pack for it. Would love to see some good pics of the woofers as well. What is the plan to finish the boxes?

 

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Nm...saw the finished black paint pic.

Interesting, so the drivers don't sit fully flush on the baffles in this design, there's still a bit of a lip?

 

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The Eminence woofers have an outer lip above the frame itself. I only recess to the frame, which is about .35" on the 8" and 10" woofers.

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The Eminence woofers have an outer lip above the frame itself. I only recess to the frame, which is about .35" on the 8" and 10" woofers.
Edit: removed my question so as not to derail.

Excellent build here! I like the look of these almost as much as the 10-99's

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Did the kit come with the crossover boards ?
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looks excellent. I would love to hear these compared to the PSA MTM-210 speakers. Cant beat these on price. And size is excellent, smaller than the fusion 15's and could fit nicely under my screen
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The Eminence woofers have an outer lip above the frame itself. I only recess to the frame, which is about .35" on the 8" and 10" woofers.

Erich, just curious. If I got two (would be in a bout a month or so, after I pay off my xmass bills) could I order a 3rd later? Site says speakers can only be bought in pairs.
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Erich, just curious. If I got two (would be in a bout a month or so, after I pay off my xmass bills) could I order a 3rd later? Site says speakers can only be bought in pairs.
Its two or more so he'd do that.
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Those are looking awesome... I really want to try some out, maybe replace my JTR'S.
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Yes their included in the price. I think Erich said that particular board is used in several different kits.
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The Mid/Woofs.







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mmmm, I'm liking the progress. forgive me if you mentioned it. did you build the frames yourself or did Erich send you a flatpack?
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You probably already know this, but predrill the screw holes before putting them in. Also, when you're screwing them in, put your other hand flat down over the woofer's surround right next to the screw. That way if your screw driver slips you'll just need a band-aid on your index finger and not a new woofer surround.
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Any chance a flat pack will be available for this kit?
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mmmm, I'm liking the progress. forgive me if you mentioned it. did you build the frames yourself or did Erich send you a flatpack?
Yes I made the cabs. Only took one 4x8 sheet plus a partial sheet. You would need 12-11"x11" braces, 3-12.5"x32" backs and 6-11"X32" sides. i think Erich mentioned that flatpack will be available in the future.
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Yes their included in the price. I think Erich said that particular board is used in several different kits.
Can I buy it separately. It looks like it's better than a piece of Masonite I usually use.. haha.
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The crossover boards only work with the design they are intended for.

Not sure about flat packs on this model. As of right now.......3 have been ordered.....they are the ones in this thread.

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More pics from last night.









Listened for 3 hours last night and all day today. Even watched a movie in 2 channel mode. The fact that i listened to music for about 5 hours without moving is remarkable. I'll have a lengthy review coming but will post some things I found interesting(placement, near field monitoring,etc) over the next couple days.
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