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With the popularity and growth of the DIY Sound Group, it's time to take the next step or start a new chapter in the saga of these exceptional audio reproduction products. Especially with the CEO's announcement of shutting the site down for awhile. While we hate to hear this news, I believe it's growing pains, and necessary for the continue growth and improvement. Time away for reorganization can be a very good thing, especially considering all the hardwork put in by Erich over the years, as well as others. So it's time we all give something back,

Hopefully, this can be a master thread to consolidate all builds, FAQ's and anything and everything else regarding this. Let's do what we can to lend a hand to the DIYSG's efforts so far. A single place where we can give advice, be educated, post links to our builds, review our DIYSG products and so on. Kind of the sequel to the "Rallying" thread. Ok, here we go and don't forget to link everything DIYSG!
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Here are my Classix II that I used the kit from DIYSG for. Building another now from parts since I wanted a different form factor for a different room.








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Very nice. A perfect start.
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One of my Cheap Thrills (didn't feel like putting together for a photo shoot).

Love this speaker. Love the openness. IMO not harsh at all. Thank you B. Waslo!
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Here are my Tempests http://www.diysoundgroup.com/wavegui...fusion-12.html

I built these for my Theatre room that was sold with my house last year. I am now building a new house an am looking forward to building some of the new Volt surrounds to go with my Tempests. Here is a picture of one of my Tempests with the Energy tower it replaced. What an amazing sound and I would like to thank Erich DIYSG for making these a reality.

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I built a pair of Fusion-8's for front and building a pair of Volt-6 for surrounds. Here are the finished Fusion-8's.
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Great for music and unbeatable for movies with subs for under 400$ for diy. Some say they are bright but to me there dynamic. Just love em.
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Great for music and unbeatable for movies with subs for under 400$ for diy. Some say they are bright but to me there dynamic. Just love em.
How do these compare to commercial speakers? I see in the DIY sub world, you can build a much better sub than one could affordably buy. I have a 7 channel setup of Paradigm Signature S8s, C5, S4s, and ADP surrounds. The S8s have good highs thru mid-bass, but lack low end. As a result, am building 4 mini-Marty subwoofers. When I build my new theater in my unfinished basement next summer, I'll need to add more speakers to get to a 9.4.4 setup (at a minimum). To upgrade to that with Paradigm speakers, I would need to sink at least another $4000- $6000. That kind of coin could buy a lot of DIYSG goodies!


I've heard a lot of good reviews on these. Has anybody ever done blind tests at a get-together with these verses higher priced commercial speakers?


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How do these compare to commercial speakers? I see in the DIY sub world, you can build a much better sub than one could affordably buy. I have a 7 channel setup of Paradigm Signature S8s, C5, S4s, and ADP surrounds. The S8s have good highs thru mid-bass, but lack low end. As a result, am building 4 mini-Marty subwoofers. When I build my new theater in my unfinished basement next summer, I'll need to add more speakers to get to a 9.4.4 setup (at a minimum). To upgrade to that with Paradigm speakers, I would need to sink at least another $4000- $6000. That kind of coin could buy a lot of DIYSG goodies!


I've heard a lot of good reviews on these. Has anybody ever done blind tests at a get-together with these verses higher priced commercial speakers?


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I own a $3000 B&W ASW 855 sub along with some DIY subs. My 15" Dayton Ultimax sounds just as good if not better. About $500 with an amp.. So I could have built 6 DIY ultimax for the cost of a single B&W.. Wish I had know about DIY before I spent all that money foolishly. Same goes with the Fusion line vs B&W line. No competition. Klipsch sound bright, waveguides do not. I think some people ears are just used to dome tweeters.

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I own a $3000 B&W ASW 855 sub along with some DIY subs. My 15" Dayton Ultimax sounds just as good if not better. About $500 with an amp.. So I could have built 6 DIY ultimax for the cost of a single B&W.. Wish I had know about DIY before I spent all that money foolishly. Same goes with the Fusion line vs B&W line. No competition. Klipsch sound bright, waveguides do not. I think some people ears are just used to dome tweeters.
Sell that B&W and buy more diy stuffs
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How do these compare to commercial speakers? I see in the DIY sub world, you can build a much better sub than one could affordably buy. I have a 7 channel setup of Paradigm Signature S8s, C5, S4s, and ADP surrounds. The S8s have good highs thru mid-bass, but lack low end. As a result, am building 4 mini-Marty subwoofers. When I build my new theater in my unfinished basement next summer, I'll need to add more speakers to get to a 9.4.4 setup (at a minimum). To upgrade to that with Paradigm speakers, I would need to sink at least another $4000- $6000. That kind of coin could buy a lot of DIYSG goodies!


I've heard a lot of good reviews on these. Has anybody ever done blind tests at a get-together with these verses higher priced commercial speakers?


Thanks,
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Yes. Check out Vancouver summertime gtg. At two gtg We compared 1099 to
2k funk audio bookshelf
2.5k jtr 228
2k Reaction audio c15x

The 1099 held there own no problem. To get significantly better commercial I think you would need to get something like jtr 212 or 215. Those are closer to 5k.

I felt super confident buying them when tux(designer) told me I'd have to spend a lot more to get 5 to 10% better. That more is beyond what I would ever spend on a pair of speakers. As long as you have good subs there great.... Just like fusion 15 are.
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I replaced some ascend 340's with the 1099's and couldn't be happier. The Vancouver summertime gtg is what drove me to the 1099's since I had the checkbook ready to buy the JTR's.
Anyway here is a picture of my 1099's and an unfinished Volt 10 along with some sealed 18's.


Haven't gotten to finish them yet since weather has been bad. But I did get a grill made for testing on it. I have 6 Volt 10 for surrounds and had been listening to just 2 of them in stereo while I was working on the others and they really sound nice.
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These are my beloved Tempests. Here is one next to the (puny) speakers they replaced and another just standing proud.

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I would be happy to sell my B&W. Any offers? lol

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Just put together another pair of classix ii, not the diysg kit tho, but still relevant since I discovered it there. Still trying to figure out how I want to finish them :/




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I didn't know DIY Sound Group was going away for a while. I sincerely hope this is a temporary situation.

This summer I assembled a couple of 15" sealed subs using DIY SG's flat packs. Yes, they are still unfinished MDF. Next spring/summer I plan to finish them in a matte black kitchen counter top laminate.



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Do you know when he is planning on going away? I ask because I was going to put an order in for some 88 specials probably this week.
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I built a pair of Fusion-8's for front and building a pair of Volt-6 for surrounds. Here are the finished Fusion-8's.
I also (just) purchased a pair of Volt 6's and received them this past weekend. I've never done DIY before so this will be quite the journey. I may start a thread on the build because I have no clue what I'm doing but I'll share some pictures with you guys.
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My Tempest Towers build thread. I still need to take some measurements.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...ld-thread.html

As I posted in my review of the Tempest they started out a little bright but after breaking in they sound fabulous. I have also built a pair of Volt 10's for surrounds and hope to do a pair of Volt 6's for rear surrounds and possibly another pair of Volt 10's for wides. Erich has done great work making great speakers available to us all over the years.
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Fusion 10 Pure 2013 version 1

Fusion 10 Pure. Version 1, 2013.



The Fusion 10 Pure kit will not disappoint. It is thunderous for movies, has perfectly clear dialog for TV watching, and at higher volumes will thump your chest for music listening.

Version 1 includes 12" SEOS waveguide with DNA-205 compression driver. Eminence Delta 10A mid/woofer. A flat pack was used, the cross over (XO) was assembled by me. This speaker is designed to be used with a sub woofer. The optional flat pack is highly recommended, the optional assembled XO is highly recommended.

BUILD:

Components: The XO parts are first rate, assembling and soldering the XO was not easy for this DIY novice with no electrical or soldering experience. This is not a knock on the kit, with my lack of knowledge and experience I would have had trouble understanding any schematics, or soldering anything. In fact, it was kind of fun after the first one was completed, it was just tedious and nerve wracking for me because I didn't want to mess things up. the Fusion 10 Pure version 2's have a pre-built XO available, and is highly recommended.

The kit includes a front baffle which has been pre-cut for this exact wave guide and woofer so the finish is flush on the front. The roundover option gives a smoother rounded edge to the front. The baffle is glued to the enclosure which makes for a very clean looking front end. When used with a flat pack, this makes a double baffle which is very strong. The round over is what you want unless you are planning to veneer the front, in which case a square edged baffle is an option.

Enclosure: The optional flat pack was used. This was very easy to build as the 3/4" MDF is CNC cut and everything fits together perfectly. The box is extremely well made and internal bracing is heavy duty. The flat pack was assembled using Gorilla Glue and held in place with four wood clamps purchased for $8 each. No other tools are required, the flat pack can be assembled in a living room in a day, allowing several hours in between sections allowing glue to dry. Screws or brads can be used with the glue, but are overkill and are not needed. Finish was three coats flat black water based paint by roller. This is a large speaker, not a book shelf speaker at 60 pounds completed. The flat pack is highly recommended.

USE:

The Fusion 10 Pure's are being used in a medium sized living room, as L/R in a 5.1 setup. A Klipch RW-12d sub is used. Mine are used inside an entertainment stand my wife wanted to use. Primary listening is 60% TV 30% music and 10% Blu-ray movie. Music genre is jazz (brass oriented), symphonic band, and pop vocals, ie James Taylor, Taylor Swift.

LISTENING IMPRESSIONS:

The Fusion 10 Pures were used with a Klipsch 12" sub, and sound every bit as good and loud as Klipsch CF-4 Epics, which feature dual 12" woofers and are horn driven, and originally sold for $2,500 a pair in 1994.

The Fusion 10's are being driven with an Onkyo TX-NR 717 with 110 watts per channel. What is impressive about the Fusion 10's are they are very linear in sound, which means they sound extremely clear and full at low, medium and high volumes. Since I never come close to maximum volume with the Onk 717, any receiver with 75 watts or more would be a good fit for these speakers.

At louder volumes they are not harsh, and very smooth. They produce that chest thump mid-bass when used with the sub. When set up properly you don't really hear the sub by itself, but it definitely draws more bass and mid-bass from the Fusion 10 woofers. You can listen to these all day without a sense of fatigue, which is what I liked about my Magnapan MG-1, but the Fusion 10's will play much louder and are much more forgiving of placement and room setup.

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Anybody in the Salt Lake City area have any of the kits from the DIYsoundgroup site? Waveguide or otherwise? So intrigued by the reviews and popularity...
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Special cinema 88 build. It went behind fabric and an AT screen so recieved some regular paint.

Very pleased with the performance. Required very little EQ especially inside my semi bafflewall. I felt the need to smooth it out a bit with eq filters to make it completely non fatigueing and natural sounding.

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Hadn't caught this news about DIYSG elsewhere- best of luck to Erich, whatever his new direction might be; he's a guy who genuinely "gets it" with great customer service, and I'd buy from him again any time, in a heartbeat

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Two TH flat-packs, with Anarchy woofers... exceptionally nice woodwork on the flat-packs, and expertly packaged:





And L/C/R Fusion-4 Quad4 kits... these guys sound terrific in a small HT setting, couldn't be happier with their clarity and punchy dynamics:




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Hadn't caught this news about DIYSG elsewhere- best of luck to Erich, whatever his new direction might be; he's a guy who genuinely "gets it" with great customer service, and I'd buy from him again any time, in a heartbeat

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Two TH flat-packs, with Anarchy woofers... exceptionally nice woodwork on the flat-packs, and expertly packaged:





And L/C/R Fusion-4 Quad4 kits... these guys sound terrific in a small HT setting, couldn't be happier with their clarity and punchy dynamics:



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Special cinema 88 build. It went behind fabric and an AT screen so recieved some regular paint.

Very pleased with the performance. Required very little EQ especially inside my semi bafflewall. I felt the need to smooth it out a bit with eq filters to make it completely non fatigueing and natural sounding.

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This is another good way to post here. Some of the builds are so involved that it can be overwhelming to have to post here as well. Just a couple links work pretty good.
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Small, just a spare bedroom... ~12' x 13' with an 8' ceiling.

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well well well


Tempest 12s sitting on top of Dayton 18" HOs
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This is a fantastic thread and I love seeing all of the DIYSG builds.

I fear, however, that this will become a Mega DIYSG Thread and it will be difficult for newbies like myself to sort through all of the information to find out what is most pertinent to the specific model that we might choose for our first or second build.

In my humble opinion, it would be more beneficial if each speaker had it's own FAQ thread, particularly for us inexperienced builders.

For example, I built my 2 Marty subs, which I love BTW , while sorting through "Large Ported Dayton HO18's".

Very doable, but clumsy and inefficient scrolling though 33 pages of information.

Chaluga's Marty FAQ thread is fantastic and clearly and concisely summarizes all of the information needed to build that sub from start to finish.

I wish that I had that information available at the time of my builds.

It would have literally saved hours of my time, as well as minimized confusion and frustration.

If each model were to have a similar thread, the information would be pertinent to that specific build and easily accessible for all.

This could potentially reduce Erich's email load dramatically.

These threads could be linked to the DIYSG website as well, showing picture of completed speakers etc.

Just a thought from the perspective of a recent convert and would welcome other opinions.
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