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Fusion 4 Quad 4 On the way!

Getting pretty excited that the Fusion 4 Quad 4will soon be on the way. I made the purchase a few days ago. The only question remains is finished look. I really like how Sibuna’s turned out, but I am going to use the flat pack. So I have been doing some research and thinking of going with wood veneer on top of the top, bottom and sides. Only question is I haven’t seen anything about what stain to use on the veneer. Can I use any from lowes or home depot? For the front baffle going to do something black, not sure duratex or some paint. Other idea is all black paint or something.

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Black latex/oil face with tung oil veneer gets my vote. don't forget to share your pics.
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you should be able to stain the veneer any color you want.

for the baffle ive had poor luck painting MDF with anything that's not duratex
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you should be able to stain the veneer any color you want.

for the baffle ive had poor luck painting MDF with anything that's not duratex
I had good luck painting my mdf end tables with Chalk Paint, though if you are going for a perfectly smooth finish that doesn't show any brush strokes a sprayer is a must. You can see the brush strokes on mine, but we were going for the "hand-painted" look.

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Seen this, seems like a lot of work but looks pretty cool.

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Ok Just received them yesterday and have not had a chance to open the box yet. Wife out of town and three young kids have kept me busy. Today working on birthday party for my 3 year old. Will get a chance tomorrow to open and start assembling cabinets hopefully.

Also went to woodcrafters to pick up some 1/2 mdf to try finishing before I get to do it on the finial product.

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I built a pair of Fusion 8 towers and chose to go with a cherry wood veneer and a black front. I had a can of cherry stain but after a test sample I chose to go with a natural satin stain and I am very glad I did. The black fronts I used Valspar premium spray paint which I would not suggest. The paint its self is just fine, how ever the MDF as everyone said will soak up a TON of the paint, especially along the edges. I ended up going through 2 whole cans of paint, just for the fronts for a pair of speakers, topped off with a satin Valspar clear. In the end I enjoyed the results, how ever I think the layered paint was very thick and soft so during the clamping of the front to the cabinets it did leave some markings, even while using pieces of the dense foam that the speakers are packaged with.

BTW if your going to veneer, I chose to purchase a veneer saw which worked very well. I worked on a piece of wood and I was able to cut off the over hang with the saw and use a razor blade to touch up the edges as needed. I got a 4' X 8' solid piece of veneer and went with the PSA adhesive pre applied and I am very happy with the results.
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Ok, First time posting pictures so hope it goes well...

You can see that there was some damage to the shipping box, and as you might have read on other posts about shipping from Erich, his packaging is amazing. I had two five gallon pails 3/4 filled with the packaging material. I have pictures of mock up before glue and then some with glue and clamps.

Also did a test on BIN primer on 1/2 mdf and drywall mud on mdf. Wind blew over my box i was painting on, but will add a second coat of paint. Using a gloss black spray paint and a textured "hammered" paint. Both are Rustoleom will post pictures later.

So far impressed with progress, want to say Thanks to Erich for the shipping, packaging, and quick customer service when I had questions.
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recently did 2 fusion 15's and a 88 Special, mdf baffles (great work , thanks erich . .)

wrt painting or rattle can, ( I used a satin oiled bronze , rustoleum)
from the experience of others here, to prep baffles for starting the painting,
FIRST > , almost no light sanding needed
then
seal that stuff with KILZ, shoot for a first light coat, light sand,
1 st medium coat, thoroughly dry, light sand, 2nd medium coat, and iif its more a problewm, even 1 more
it looks bullet proof, right?

finish coats, be willing to make it in multiples, no hurry , wait for final attachment before going for the beauty shot

try to shoot the baffles vertically out of the wind, the can works better and there is no horizontal surface for stuff to settle on

after gluing the baffle on, you may need to do some masking and touch up, BEFORE mounting drivers

I didn't use any brads for baffle attachment, no Spackle, but I'm a huge fan of PL , clamps, positioning /registration procedures, and lets the chemistry do its thing

I would pad the surface with cardboard to minimize the "oops" factor when finally installing drivers

leave plenty of length on the leads coming from the xo boards, a few extra inches makes attachment in a not tight space so much easier

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dandiele how did you go about gluing the baffle to the cabinet after everything was painted and finished ?
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Test board with 2 coats BIN primer and 3 coats gloss paint light sanding in between each coat. suggestions, comments, concerns?
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Here is 1 coat paint done and 2 coats primer
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Looking nice!

I built a set of F4Q4 LCR, and just a suggestion~

The machining on mine was a close fit to the drivers when raw, and the MDF swelled enough with shellac primer that the drivers were a very tight fit; I carried on happily anyway, and final assembly was entirely too problematic as a result... since you're using multiple coats, keep an eye on the build-up at the recesses so you don't end up carving it back out later!

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Thanks for the advice, will look at in the morning when I get home from work. I will test fit everything before adding any more layers of paint. Right now it scratches pretty easy, would putting on a finish clear or poly fix that?

Also planning on working on my veneer tomorrow too.
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gluing the baffle
after a complete dry fit of drivers in their places, mounting holes drilled and slightly started
and alignment of the baffle on the case is as perfect as you can get
even on my flatpack 88 special there was a slight edge at the seam
i thought i was as accurate as i could be, but i went with flat black on the case so , o.k. for me
in your case, as you want to veneer the case
you may be able to finese the baffle it may fit either perfectly,
or
you may be able to router it to fit "perfectly", you may need to reprime etc.
or in re checkling my work, there is like a fingernails width of baffle extension beyond the case surface, on all 4 sides
this may be the thickness/difference you want wrt veneer thickness and may allow a "smoother" feel of transition from veneer surface to the bafffle for those inclined to caress speakers
so for gluing, all edges that may take glue should be "virgin"
for the max security of "dero zefects" my go to in PL, 3/8 bead and even on the corner where the baffle fits in clamps or cardboard for surface protection and weights
for the fusion 15's with the inset doubled baffle there was plenty of surface area to be overly generous with PL
be sure you pay attention to your placement/registration marks
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Ok veneer cut, crossovers built, now just need to finish the front baffle. Did a test fit today :
First one is in the shade
Second one is out in sun
Third is close up in sun
Speakers scratched paint a little when putting them in.

Thanks for the advice another layer I prolly would have been carving some paint out.
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Well, I had a minor setback. The veneer went on pretty easy, for the first time ever doing it. I must have put the first piece on too early and didn't let it dry enough or something. I have a 3"x2" blister in the veneer on the first piece I did. I will post pics later when I get home.

Is cutting a slit into the blister and spreading glue with a toothpick or something then placing wax paper and clamping it down overnight, the best way to fix this?

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dandiele how did you go about gluing the baffle to the cabinet after everything was painted and finished ?
It was fairly simple actually, I used the veneer saw to trim the veneer all the way around and a sharp razor blade, held flat against the top edge (I did this during the whole veneer process), which was still MDF obviously, carefully shave the excess flush. Then I just applied glue and clamped it down. Unfortunately the paint was either still not fully cured, or just soft in general because the clamp did marr the surface a little even with thick pieces of foam under the clamp (the foam left an impression even) but its not noticeable in my room with them standing up right.

The veneer saw was probably the best tool I bought for the whole process. I chose to have mine sharpened from the online store I got it from and boy was it sharp, it made trimming the excess a breeze with a piece of wood underneath.

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It was fairly simple actually, I used the veneer saw to trim the veneer all the way around and a sharp razor blade, held flat against the top edge (I did this during the whole veneer process), which was still MDF obviously, carefully shave the excess flush. Then I just applied glue and clamped it down. Unfortunately the paint was either still not fully cured, or just soft in general because the clamp did marr the surface a little even with thick pieces of foam under the clamp (the foam left an impression even) but its not noticeable in my room with them standing up right.

The veneer saw was probably the best tool I bought for the whole process. I chose to have mine sharpened from the online store I got it from and boy was it sharp, it made trimming the excess a breeze with a piece of wood underneath.

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Thanks for the reply. I am actually going to go buy a veneer saw this weekend tho I don't think ill get to the veneer stage for a few more weeks. My plan is to put 1 coat of clear on the veneer and paint the baffle before gluing, then after gluing put a 2nd and maybe 3rd coat of clear on the veneer. I figure with 1 coat of clear any glue leakage will clean up easier.
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Thanks for the reply. I am actually going to go buy a veneer saw this weekend tho I don't think ill get to the veneer stage for a few more weeks. My plan is to put 1 coat of clear on the veneer and paint the baffle before gluing, then after gluing put a 2nd and maybe 3rd coat of clear on the veneer. I figure with 1 coat of clear any glue leakage will clean up easier.
I am not sure if you will want to clear the veneer prior to application. I am not sure if that would affect anything or not. For whats its worth, I used the veneer with the peel and stick and adhesive and would use that product again in a heartbeat, super easy to work with and let me tell you that adhesive is super sticky, its applied in a fairly thick layer onto the backing, its not like a sticker were its just sticky enough, its strong stuff. I also got a veneer scraper to apply pressure to the veneer after laying it down and it worked extremely well to apply proper pressure, I wouldn't use a roller.

The saw I got was this one http://www.veneersupplies.com/produc...eneer-Saw.html

make sure you pay the extra few bucks to have them sharpen it, I think its worth it!

This is the scrapper I got. Ive already found a few uses for it around the house lol
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And for what its worth I went with this veneer.
http://www.veneer-factory-outlet.com/cherry-veneer-f-c/
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Update!
Crossover built and one speaker wired up for a sound test the horn is louder than anticipated but sounds amazing.
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Crossover built and one speaker wired up for a sound test the horn is louder than anticipated but sounds amazing.
It makes sense that the horn would sound louder than the woofers with the woofers not in the cabinet. Looks good.
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Make sure you wire up the woofers correctly and also double check to be sure you've inverted the polarity on the tweeter like the schematic shows.

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Make sure you wire up the woofers correctly and also double check to be sure you've inverted the polarity on the tweeter like the schematic shows.
I know i did on the the tweeter and i will double check with the woofers in the morning when I get off work but pretty confident it is correct.

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I know it has been a long time, shift work, kids sports, wife's to do list, etc.... but lasts top coats are coming soon.... Here is an update!
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Looks Awesome...can't wait to hear them
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Those look awesome! Great job on the stands as well.

Yippee-ki-yay...
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Has anybody tried using the Quad-4 as a center? It looks like it would make a nice low profile center. The only thing I've seen close to that look is the very highly regarded Klipsch RC-64.

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showcase beuatiful,
and those stands way cool.
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lets see some REW sweeps

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