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NWCgrad 04-30-2015 05:25 AM

Gen II Crown XLS Drivecore
 
Just saw over in the sub forum that Crown is getting ready to release a Gen II XLS Drivecore series. Since most of the DIY crowd doesn't look there I thought it needed attention here.

Has some new cool features (http://www.crownaudio.com/en-US/products/xls-1502):
- remote trigger
- ability to dim/turnoff LED's
- increased DSP capability (couldn't find info on PEQ)
- more traditional all black case

Now I have a conundrum. I just bought an XLS 1500 to power my mains with plans to eventually buy three to four more for all my speakers (Marantz 7702 preamp). I guess I will wait and see the DSP functionality, would be awesome if I could use the new series to run my mains active.:D

LTD02 04-30-2015 06:13 AM

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neat. the styling is...well...what it is. :-)


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1430399409

Face2 04-30-2015 07:36 AM

Glad to see they're finally getting with the program.

Stereodude 04-30-2015 07:37 AM

There's another thread on these already.

Of course neither thread is in the correct forum. :p

18Hurts 04-30-2015 07:47 AM

Great news!

RCA inputs that will run at .775V, remote trigger, sleep, more DSP fuctions and shut off the light show is perfect for AV functions. Now if they can make it so the 20 to 25Hz highpass filter can be bypassed and adjusted to user preference, it could be a great sub amp for home use.

:cool:

Mfusick 04-30-2015 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NWCgrad (Post 33886130)
Just saw over in the sub forum that Crown is getting ready to release a Gen II XLS Drivecore series. Since most of the DIY crowd doesn't look there I thought it needed attention here.

What sub forum are you even talking about ?:confused:

Mfusick 04-30-2015 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LTD02 (Post 33887202)
neat. the styling is...well...what it is. :-)


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1430399409

@lemonslush

vitod 04-30-2015 08:09 AM

Hmm...these Crowns will have high prices, soooo....why would I get them if an Inuke 6000 is way cheaper. Convince me. :)

Behringer:
1.37kW into 8 Ohms, 2.05kW into 4 Ohms for full-range or mid-top duty
1.16kW into 8 Ohms, 1.80kW into 4 Ohms for Bass duty

Face2 04-30-2015 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mfusick (Post 33889890)
What sub forum are you even talking about ?:confused:

+1.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stereodude (Post 33889162)
There's another thread on these already.

Of course neither thread is in the correct forum. :p

Many of us don't travel out of this forum.

NWCgrad 04-30-2015 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by vitod (Post 33890026)
Hmm...these Crowns will have high prices, soooo....why would I get them if an Inuke 6000 is way cheaper. Convince me. :)

Behringer:
1.37kW into 8 Ohms, 2.05kW into 4 Ohms for full-range or mid-top duty
1.16kW into 8 Ohms, 1.80kW into 4 Ohms for Bass duty

If price is driving variable then Behringer is always the go to brand. However I dont like their lack of power factor correction, requirement for a fan modification and the THD numbers in higher frequencies for driving mains. I dont need 2 kW for driving 96 dB efficient speakers in my basement general purpose/HT room. Cost is still pretty small compared to standard brands.

NWCgrad 04-30-2015 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Stereodude (Post 33889162)
There's another thread on these already.

Of course neither thread is in the correct forum. :p

That's the one referenced in first post. A lot of the DIY crowd doesnt go the Receivers, Amps etc forum as it is typically not that useful for pro gear being used to run DIY speakers active. Unless I am looking to update processor I never look at that forum, I assume I am not alone (but we know from tbe Bad News Bears movie what happens when you assume).:o

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Originally Posted by Face2 (Post 33890122)
+1.

Many of us don't travel out of this forum.

Yep....90% of my time is here and rest is on subscribed threads such as the JTR and some cool home theater builds (maybe I'll add Mike's not-a-build-thread thread :D).

tuxedocivic 04-30-2015 09:55 AM

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That's the kind of amp that would suit me very well. I like it a lot. Hopefully the dsp is actually useful and no high pass.

Face2 04-30-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic (Post 33892778)
That's the kind of amp that would suit me very well. I like it a lot. Hopefully the dsp is actually useful and no high pass.

+1.

I may be selling a few amps soon. :-)

Mfusick 04-30-2015 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitod (Post 33890026)
Hmm...these Crowns will have high prices, soooo....why would I get them if an Inuke 6000 is way cheaper. Convince me. :)

Behringer:
1.37kW into 8 Ohms, 2.05kW into 4 Ohms for full-range or mid-top duty
1.16kW into 8 Ohms, 1.80kW into 4 Ohms for Bass duty

http://download.gamespotcdn.net/d4/u...18/notsure.jpg

how about the Crown actually sounds good full range?

I'd start with that.

Mfusick 04-30-2015 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nwcgrad (Post 33892714)

yep....90% of my time is here and rest is on subscribed threads such as the jtr and some cool home theater builds (maybe i'll add mike's not-a-build-thread thread :d).

IT IS NOT A BUILD THREAD.

I meant it as inside joke for someone.. but it kind of took off.

I'll do it proper when the time is right.

Jedi940 04-30-2015 09:59 AM

This new lineup sounds awesome. Kinda makes me regret buying a second gen 1 for my new subs a couple months ago. I

blazar 04-30-2015 10:00 AM

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Will these have 12v trigger? If they do, it will be much better for home surround systems...

Perhaps their classD quality and noise floor are better too?

Mfusick 04-30-2015 10:01 AM

My curiosity is how powerful and good is the DSP ???

I absolutely love my CROWN DSi amps. DSP is very good. As is the software.

The cost difference for something like a 1400 watt DSi is like $450 verus... ??? The XLS probably like $100 or so cheaper I assuming.
But how do the amps compare. That is where my curiosity is.


For someone wanting active speakers- or active JBL screen array hooks ups I think the DSi series is still where it is at.

If you want passive speaker- the XLS might be the ticket.

If the XLS DSP is improved enough to be the level of the DSi I will be really impressed (and a buyer)

NWCgrad 04-30-2015 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic (Post 33892778)
That's the kind of amp that would suit me very well. I like it a lot. Hopefully the dsp is actually useful and no high pass.

I am also hoping for no high pass so I can ditch my QSC and go with a stack of the Crown's. Just would be more visually appealing in my audio rack.

If the DSP is sufficient for going active on my mains (no real need, just an itch that needs scratched) all the better. Looks to have some eq based on the initial press release, that's new for the XLS.

Stereodude 04-30-2015 10:41 AM

Unless they've improved the subsonic performance into demanding loads from the first gen units I don't see a lot of you guys being happy with them.

Mfusick 04-30-2015 11:13 AM

I'm seeing these as good full range amps. They are not subwoofer amps.

JohnDean 04-30-2015 11:22 AM

I'm just gonna wait on all of you to clearance your gen1's. I'm perfectly happy with my xls1500.

18Hurts 04-30-2015 11:28 AM

The amp specs are the same as the present versions

Interesting but to make sure they can work below 20Hz--time for some bench testing.

Since the specs are the same--have to cross my fingers they fixed the sub bass issues. It would be a great HT amp and seems to be angled in that direct but let the bench tests confirm. It would be a shame if they didn't fix the issues but would still work fine as an amp for the mains.

Crossing my fingers :confused:

Mfusick 04-30-2015 11:43 AM

These amps have traditionally been poor sub amps and great full range amps. Why all this focus on sub amps?

Sub amps = Lab or Powersoft.

If you are poor you buy Peavy IRP7500, Clones, or ipuke's. (my style)

I love crown. But they are not subwoofer amps.

Cheap amps are cheap because the good stuff got left out. One of the things that got left out with the Crown to make them sound so awesome relative to a low price point is the subsonic capability. Run it 20hz+ you won't have much issue. But who puts an XLS 1000/1500/2500/3500 on a subwoofer????

I would never do that.

lukeamdman 04-30-2015 11:55 AM

I've been looking for something to run my active BMS coax's with since the MiniDSP has a high noise floor. If these have a better DSP and then gen1 this might be it!

18Hurts 04-30-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mfusick (Post 33895482)
These amps have traditionally been poor sub amps and great full range amps. Why all this focus on sub amps?

Sub amps = Lab or Powersoft.

I use a Crown XTi 1002 as the full range amp for my garage speakers--works well and runs 80Hz and up.

For in-house use, I don't want or need a ton of wattage to run efficient speakers--also don't want to wire in additional breakers. :rolleyes:

However, subs drink power and an XLS1500 as a sub amp with the triggering, sleep function, 0.775V operation and additional DSP would be great as a AVR sub amp. Running at an 8 ohm load per channel for two subs or 550 per channel into 4 ohms for 4 subs (12" subs) would be great and not require any additional breakers.

The auto trigger and sleep is great for when my wife fires up the system for a movie--no worries about firing up the amp etc. It would be great to place the amp is some other location and not have to turn it on and off when needed.

Nice to have options!

Mfusick 04-30-2015 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lukeamdman (Post 33895842)
I've been looking for something to run my active BMS coax's with since the MiniDSP has a high noise floor. If these have a better DSP and then gen1 this might be it!

Did you check out the Xti or DSi ?

lovinthehd 04-30-2015 12:37 PM

I just checked with Crown on the sub 20hz rolloff thing, same as first gen amps.

NWCgrad 04-30-2015 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnDean (Post 33895106)
I'm just gonna wait on all of you to clearance your gen1's. I'm perfectly happy with my xls1500.

I am happy with my Gen 1 XLS 1500, only thing I dont like is all my other electronics are black.

NWCgrad 04-30-2015 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lovinthehd (Post 33896770)
I just checked with Crown on the sub 20hz rolloff thing, same as first gen amps.

That's kind of a bummer, but will work great for my two ported subs (tuned to 22 Hz). A big no go for my ULF sub, but not surprised that is why I have a fan-nodded QSC which is spec'd flat to 5 Hz.


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