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post #1 of 27 Old 10-03-2015, 09:50 PM - Thread Starter
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Alternatives to MDF and Baltic Birch

Going to build a box for the SI 18 driver before ordering one to make sure I'm not a disaster building it. I don't want to use MDF (dust, health hazard, can't stain it, etc). I also can't find Baltic Birch anywhere near me. I've looked and asked for special order but no luck. Are there any other good solutions? I've looked at regular birch plywood or oak plywood. Any suggestions? I'll be using 3/4".

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Lowe's/Home Depot doesn't carry it? How about this place, anywhere near you? https://www.facebook.com/PickensHardwoods I did this search https://www.google.com/#q=baltic+bir...od+mississippi

I found a good supplier of BB, aside from the big boxes here where it was both poorer quality and more expensive; I was looking for hardwoods for another project when I discovered they had some nice choices in ply, too. Must be available somewhere....

I too don't want to mess with mdf but think if you're going to go to the effort of building a box, just find the right ply to begin with and go for it.
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Lowe's/Home Depot doesn't carry it? How about this place, anywhere near you? https://www.facebook.com/PickensHardwoods I did this search https://www.google.com/#q=baltic+bir...od+mississippi

I found a good supplier of BB, aside from the big boxes here where it was both poorer quality and more expensive; I was looking for hardwoods for another project when I discovered they had some nice choices in ply, too. Must be available somewhere....

I too don't want to mess with mdf but think if you're going to go to the effort of building a box, just find the right ply to begin with and go for it.
First of all, thanks for doing a search! Unfortunately that place is a 6 hour total drive there and back. MS is a big state haha. I checked lowes and HD and a couple of local lumber yards. I tried to do my due diligence on locating Baltic Birch. Would the oak or birch ply also work? Any other ideas?

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Where exactly are you? Maybe others will have some more ideas for you. I know little about ply except that BB tends to be the best....found this http://www.woodworkerssource.com/blo...hen-to-use-it/

Have you tried contacting cabinet makers? Or companies that specialize in supplying cabinet makers?
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Tupelo...where Elvis was born ha. Yea, my parents recently redid their house and our cabinet guy used solid birch for our cabinets

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I heard arouco (sp) is a decent alternative
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Cabinet grade plywood with the wood veneer of your choice. I prefer it over the BB I can get here.
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I use lots of Arauco plywood. There may be a supplier that carries it in your area. Boise-Cascade is a distributer for it in my area.
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Hell, Menard carries it
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Thanks for the advice! I'll check into those options and hopefully start a build thread soon!

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I use lots of Arauco plywood. There may be a supplier that carries it in your area. Boise-Cascade is a distributer for it in my area.
Is Arauco the same as the stuff Home Depot sells under the Columbia name? http://www.homedepot.com/p/Columbia-...2941/202887466
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Is Arauco the same as the stuff Home Depot sells under the Columbia name? http://www.homedepot.com/p/Columbia-...2941/202887466
No, that's different stuff. 3/4" Arauco has 7 equal-thickness plies and is made from pine. It is superior to the PureBond plywood IMHO.
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Cabinet grade plywood with the wood veneer of your choice. I prefer it over the BB I can get here.
I'm pretty sure this is what I'm going with. Hopefully I can get a cherry veneer on it to match my speakers

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why not just google lumber and hardwood and the city u are in and find a place real quick
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If you're thinking about pre-veneered ply ready to finish, I've actually had good luck buying apple ply online. http://buyappleply.com/

Kinda spendy I suppose, but good quality and convenient. And it comes in a variety of precut panel sizes from 12"-48" wide and 24"-96" long if you don't feel like wrestling with entire sheets.
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why not just google lumber and hardwood and the city u are in and find a place real quick
That was definitely the first thing I did I called/went to the big box stores and local lumber yard. No one had any.

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Arauco is fine. It's pretty much all I use as BB is incredibly expensive and with the extensive bracing I use, not worth it.
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I think Im going to give advantech a try on my next sub build. Ive used alot for construction but never for speakers before. Heavy, hard, solid(no voids), way stiffer than mdf.
Theres been some discussion on a few threads. If you search advantech on the forum, you should find it
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Arauco is fine. It's pretty much all I use as BB is incredibly expensive and with the extensive bracing I use, not worth it.
Funny Auracao here is $62 and BB is $55. This is pricing from a wood shop up the street.
I wanted to use some Walnut veneered Plywood but the grade of it being only 7 ply wasn't too appealing.
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Funny Auracao here is $62 and BB is $55.
I'm in Australia. Here its $45 and $250-300.

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but the grade of it being only 7 ply wasn't too appealing.
Brace it thoroughly (matrix) and the number of plies is not a factor.
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Funny Auracao here is $62 and BB is $55. This is pricing from a wood shop up the street.
I wanted to use some Walnut veneered Plywood but the grade of it being only 7 ply wasn't too appealing.
If it cost the same, BB is all I would use, its a superior material to Arauco in almost every way, other than price. For me Arauco is $48 for a 4'x8' sheet and BB is $60 for a 5'x5' sheet.
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Funny Auracao here is $62 and BB is $55. This is pricing from a wood shop up the street.
I wanted to use some Walnut veneered Plywood but the grade of it being only 7 ply wasn't too appealing.
BB comes in 5x5 as well. So that price is probably for a 5x5 as opposed to a 8x4 for the Arauco ply. Still $62 is fairly hefty. I remember when HD was selling it for under $30 before the factory that made the ply apparently burnt down. Now Lowes has something similar (not as nice) for under $40.
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First of all, thanks for doing a search! Unfortunately that place is a 6 hour total drive there and back. MS is a big state haha. I checked lowes and HD and a couple of local lumber yards. I tried to do my due diligence on locating Baltic Birch. Would the oak or birch ply also work? Any other ideas?
Home Depot carries Purebond. It is plywood use for furniture project you might want to check it out
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I found Baltic Birch but it's a 3 hour round trip drive. Is it honestly worth that over cabinet grade plywood?

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I found Baltic Birch but it's a 3 hour round trip drive. Is it honestly worth that over cabinet grade plywood?
Which cabinet grade plywood? BB is too....
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3/4" 7 ply birch (not Baltic)

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18mm marine plywood also works well, there is also OSB(oriented strand board) but is pretty ugly and can only be veneered or carpeted, but very hard to paint.
But OSB is fairly is strong unlike flimsy weak particle board/chipboard.

A good grade of WBP plywood such as BB/BB grade or better like B grade can also work well.
But not as good as birch plywood though.
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