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"New Version" of iNuke NU6000?

I noticed on amazon that this listing:

http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-NU60...s=inuke+nu6000

Claims there is a "newer version" of the NU6000. The link takes you here:

http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-NU60...dp_ob_title_ce

The differences in specs amount to this:

Old:

Delivers 2 x 3000 Watts into 4 Ohms, 2 x 1500 Watts into 8 Ohms and weighs less than 12 lbs/5.5 kg

New:

Delivers 2 x 3100 Watts into 4 Ohms, 2 x 1600 Watts into 8 Ohms and weighs less than 12 lbs / 5.5 kg

And, sure enough, those "new" specs match what is on Behringer's site here:

http://www.music-group.com/Categorie...P0B1Q/Features


So, was there really a product refresh, or is this the exact same amp with new power claims? Any ideas when this happened?
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comparing an old spec sheet with the new spec sheet (back of the manual not the marketing brochure) indicates that the old one weighed 11.4 pounds/5.2 kg and the new one weighs 11.9 pounds / 5.4 kg, so maybe they actually beefed it up in some way.

current manual:
http://media.music-group.com/media/P...00DSP_M_EN.pdf

old manual:
https://www.manualowl.com/m/Behringe...334424?page=10

old model:


"new" model:
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That is curious. Some may say that since Behringer seems to pull their power claims out of their a$$ anyway, why not change up the "specs" now and then? From now on, I'm telling people that my NU4-6000 puts out 6459 watts per channel into 2 ohms.
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"New Version" of iNuke NU6000?

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That is curious. Some may say that since Behringer seems to pull their power claims out of their a$$ anyway, why not change up the "specs" now and then? From now on, I'm telling people that my NU4-6000 puts out 6459 watts per channel into 2 ohms.

I'm right there with you this year when the family comes over and my cousins say hey mike how much power do you have with those amps I'll tell them. Well that's the new updated inuke 6,000 and it puts out a million watts according to there specs.
I bet they upgraded a few new parts inside the amp. It would be nice if someone bought the new version and opened it up and took some pictures for compare with the older ones like I have??? Older....mine is less than 1 year old...
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I was just thinking since there's a new version of the nu-6,000 dsp amp maybe there's a little more room for the price to go down when calling sweetwater or other stores who has the older models still on there shelves.
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It would be nice if someone bought the new version and opened it up and took some pictures for compare with the older ones like I have???
I have one (a new one). Or, at least Amazon claims that the one I just ordered was from the newer listing. I should check when it was manufactured.

I can certainly take photos of the inside. Too bad I noticed this before I sent the other back for repair...otherwise I could have compared them. Actually, the other one should be back fairly soon...Maybe I'll just wait and compare them side by side when it returns?
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They need to update the picture of the new Inuke also. I just got mine on Friday...this was with the $3.79 upgrade option .



In all seriousness I'll check to see if PE is sending these newer models when I get home for lunch.
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For moust of our subs, 100 watt addition isn't going to make much of a difference. When people ask me about the power of the amp, I just tell 3000 and 6000 watts. It's to hard to explain, lol.
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For moust of our subs, 100 watt addition isn't going to make much of a difference. When people ask me about the power of the amp, I just tell 3000 and 6000 watts. It's to hard to explain, lol.
It's not so much that it has a supposed extra 100 watts. The real issue here is that if it has, in fact, changed...what *else* has changed? We've all come to trust these amps as a known quantity (good and bad), but there's a chance that this new version differs in some unexpected way. Maybe it rolls off aggressively under 25hz for example? In my mind, that's the big concern...the new unknowns.
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Maybe like the Gen2 XLS amps and have added more consumer friendly features like the black case?
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It's not so much that it has a supposed extra 100 watts. The real issue here is that if it has, in fact, changed...what *else* has changed? We've all come to trust these amps as a known quantity (good and bad), but there's a chance that this new version differs in some unexpected way. Maybe it rolls off aggressively under 25hz for example? In my mind, that's the big concern...the new unknowns.
Maybe they have improved cooling fan
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They need to update the picture of the new Inuke also. I just got mine on Friday...this was with the $3.79 upgrade option .



In all seriousness I'll check to see if PE is sending these newer models when I get home for lunch.

Wow now you can get it in black. To bad they didn't do this before they look much nicer in that color.
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I like the silver, lol. I always thought those ugly black proamp and square box with hard edges.
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Maybe they have improved cooling fan
From their point of view improving it would be adding more CFM and making it sound even more like an air boat.
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Maybe they added some larger and heavier heatsinks to go along with heavier fans that are more efficient and quieter?

Bumped up the weight and size of the power supply for more power...

It could happen!

One must remember that Behringer bought out LabGruppen so maybe they have spiced it up with a bit of Lab goodness? Could be a running change to check out new stuff coming for NAMM in January...a Lab Light or something.

Then again, it could be a typo when they made the marketing change from 3000 to 3100 watts...never know.
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Wow now you can get it in black. To bad they didn't do this before they look much nicer in that color.
This was well worth the 20 min in prep and <20 min in painting time (~5-6 min each coat). I used Cessna1466u's guide for inspiration and just cut out the steps that I felt I could and still get a decent finish.

The front face (only original black area) has a thin plastic cover that most people leave on...so you don't have to get super detailed on your masking there (didn't risk taking a blade to the front of the Inuke). When you are done painting and have everything together you can just pull the plastic cover off with the minimal masking for a perfect finish.

I didn't disconnect any wires at all. I did have to unscrew the front face to get to the bottom screw of the right rack handle. There was more than enough play to lift the face up to get to the screw. After that reattached the front face and ran two strips of blue tap on the inside vents.



I also just masked the amp feet (use blue tape - white stuff left residue).

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This ain't too new. I just bought a used 6000dsp that was originally purchased in February 2015 and it is the 3100 watt, 11.9lb model originally from sweetwater.

The date code reads 1410, which I'm assuming is October 2014.

So it's been around at least that long.
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From their point of view improving it would be adding more CFM and making it sound even more like an air boat.
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I wonder,

Since the 6000dsp is basically two bridged 3000dsp amps--has the 3000 been "upgraded" also?
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I wonder,

Since the 6000dsp is basically two bridged 3000dsp amps--has the 3000 been "upgraded" also?
Yes. http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-NU30...dp/B005DUR7U8/

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Just like the EP2500 is now the EP4000, this is likely a similar deal that does little more than kill the resale value of the same older amp. Not hating, the 6000 is a great bargain.
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I updated the FW (or was it just the dsp software, foggy on the details) in my nu6000dsp a while back and noticed that the limiter was engaged at 0.3dB iirc, it was pegged at 0 dB before FW update.
And sure enough, moving the limiter to 0dB showed 3100w power iirc for 4ohm where it previously showed 3100w.

Don't think it is a new, redesigned amp but rather that they previously kept perhaps a fraction of a dB from clipping in the non defeatable limiter and now decided to give it up...
Or they have a new "version" with perhaps a volt or two higher on the rails...
Anyway, a fraction of a dB here or there shouldn't really mean anything at these power levels...
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The additional pound of weight had to come from some internal change.
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Oh, missed that there was a weight difference

Yes, then there is probably some internal changes...
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Extra weight doesn't mean there's an improvement. Could just be minor design changes owing to switching vendors for some components, or similar.
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There were two different versions of the EP2500 floating around years ago as well. They were identical except for the toroidal transformer. One version's toroid was significantly larger/heavier. This could be a similar situation here, except that these don't use massive toroidal transformers, obviously.
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I can at least state that my "new" model isn't any louder (or quieter) than the one it replaced.

That being said, if @Samps is correct, and this has change has been around for a while, my "old" amp may also be a "new" model.

By the way, both of my amps are the non-DSP model, so there's no limiter to see as mentioned above.
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Earlier today I contacted the european headquarter to get to the bottom of this. Sadly the main question (new version or not) did not get answered, but they asked for a link to this thread so they might chime in themselves here. I also asked if there would be a more consumer-friendly version with black finish and less noisy fans, but it seems not.

As I am typing this I got another email, but still no reply if there is a new version or not.... The person that answered me just said; "I have forwarded your enquiry to our quality team".
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Mine is sitting in the box unused at the moment. I can take the top off and post a pic if someone with a known old version can do the same.
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