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So the price has gone from at/under $1000 shipped to the US to "unobtanium" [un-listed and un-specified prices]. So have the T/S's which have not only ever been fully disclosed but are now notably tailored to the customers requirements. Seems like a sizeable investment on parts (motors, spiders, coils, etc) to fully custom build a 32" driver shipped inside the USA for under $1000 as originally posted many many months ago (as what got this forum going nuts over the low price shipped inside the USA).

^ I only say the latter due to the fact that if I were to say I was coming out with a driver that was going to cost $500 and then a year later, without any production models at all being shipped out, I said it cost $1100 without an itemized reason this forum would lose its mind with out-lashings left and right. But somehow you escape all of the latter. No one says anything...just crickets.
I don't understand why you guys feel the need to fight/argue/be passive aggressive with each other. You both make great products and do great work with excellent customer service. Can't you be like 2 elite athletes and shake hands
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So the price has gone from at/under $1000 shipped to the US to "unobtanium" [un-listed and un-specified prices]. So have the T/S's which have not only ever been fully disclosed but are now notably tailored to the customers requirements. Seems like a sizeable investment on parts (motors, spiders, coils, etc) to fully custom build a 32" driver shipped inside the USA for under $1000 as originally posted many many months ago (as what got this forum going nuts over the low price shipped inside the USA).

^ I only say the latter due to the fact that if I were to say I was coming out with a driver that was going to cost $500 and then a year later, without any production models at all being shipped out, I said it cost $1100 without an itemized reason this forum would lose its mind with out-lashings left and right. But somehow you escape all of the latter. No one says anything...just crickets.
Maybe because over the years, people have seen your posts belittling people and just generally being a dbag to anyone that doesn't agree with you, so they feel you deserve some back? Seems pretty reasonable.

No prices were ever released and there are no TS specs because it's not a launch product yet. Prices were discussed as to what people had hoped/wanted it to be around but you know as well as anyone that nothing was concrete, you are just trying to stir the pot to your own agenda.

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So the price has gone from at/under $1000 shipped to the US to "unobtanium" [un-listed and un-specified prices]. So have the T/S's which have not only ever been fully disclosed but are now notably tailored to the customers requirements. Seems like a sizeable investment on parts (motors, spiders, coils, etc) to fully custom build a 32" driver shipped inside the USA for under $1000 as originally posted many many months ago (as what got this forum going nuts over the low price shipped inside the USA).

^ I only say the latter due to the fact that if I were to say I was coming out with a driver that was going to cost $500 and then a year later, without any production models at all being shipped out, I said it cost $1100 without an itemized reason this forum would lose its mind with out-lashings left and right. But somehow you escape all of the latter. No one says anything...just crickets.
Not sure where you got that number from, not that it matters anyway. And frankly, I don't give a bullcrap what you say or do.

Nice troll fail though.

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I don't understand why you guys feel the need to fight/argue/be passive aggressive with each other. You both make great products and do great work with excellent customer service. Can't you be like 2 elite athletes and shake hands
I think his falsehood rants are a product of what is occurring in another thread. One or more individuals can obtain a large diameter driver at a price less than a quarter of what he is selling it for. The heat is being turned up slowly and some people are becoming uncomfortable.

Just ignore him and he will go away, eventually.

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Preliminary T/S specs look pretty good on the 32"
We might have a winner here. (Taken from Mach 5s Facebook page)

Fs = 18.90 Hz
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L2 = 767.55 uH
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Qt = 0.36
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Qms = 9.59
Mms = 1868.04 grams
Rms = 22.700869 kg/s
Cms = 0.000038 m/N
Vas = 700.14 liters
Sd= 3621.01 cm^2
Bl = 44.002857 Tm
ETA = 1.13 %
Lp(2.83V/1m) = 96.23 dB
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Sealed vs vented. 4000W each.

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Preliminary T/S specs look pretty good on the 32"
We might have a winner here. (Taken from Mach 5s Facebook page)

Fs = 18.90 Hz
Re = 3.50 ohms[dc]
Le = 1209.05 uH
L2 = 767.55 uH
R2 = 17.35 ohms
Qt = 0.36
Qes = 0.37
Qms = 9.59
Mms = 1868.04 grams
Rms = 22.700869 kg/s
Cms = 0.000038 m/N
Vas = 700.14 liters
Sd= 3621.01 cm^2
Bl = 44.002857 Tm
ETA = 1.13 %
Lp(2.83V/1m) = 96.23 dB

single or dual coil? xmax?
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single or dual coil? xmax?
Single 4ohm coil, 34mm xmax

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That does really well. Thats insane actually. I think its time to start saving up

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Looks to be equiv to about 3 18s. neat. mms is pretty high.
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Looks to be equiv to about 3 18s. neat. mms is pretty high.
3 18s as far as surface area? UM-18s? HST 18s?
Is mms high because it's a 32? And that number just looks high because of seeing the lower mms of 18s/24s? Does it seem a notable number considering sensitivity and fs?

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3 18s as far as surface area? UM-18s? HST 18s?
Is mms high because it's a 32? And that number just looks high because of seeing the lower mms of 18s/24s? Does it seem a notable number considering sensitivity and fs?
It's almost exactly 3x the sd of an 18. 3600 vs 1200. bl^2/re comes in at 553 so its got a fairly strong motor. mms at 1868 is high, but it's to be expected with such a large coil and cone. The strong motor will help with this, though. Will be interesting to see what price this hits the market at.
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It's almost exactly 3x the sd of an 18. 3600 vs 1200. bl^2/re comes in at 553 so its got a fairly strong motor. mms at 1868 is high, but it's to be expected with such a large coil and cone. The strong motor will help with this, though. Will be interesting to see what price this hits the market at.
I think you should buy 8 of them.

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I think you should buy 8 of them.
I think you should give me 4 demo units

lol, if they were DVC at 4 ohms I might be interested in 4, then could put em in a similar box wired at 1 ohm. Fs is a bit low, though. Still, would be a bunch of work for like 1.5 decibels of improvement, but possibly a hit on the top end due to efficiency... That and I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable putting 6kw to one of em. Spreading that over a pair of LMS coils is not as worrisome to me. Dropping mms would raise fs and improve efficiency some. That and a DVC would get my interest


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As far as displacement per dollar, $800 puts in Fi IB3 territory, $1200 in UM22 territory, not accounting for xmech just xmax. I think.

Seems a reasonable range to me. Definitely has a unique factor. Something to be said for spreading the power over multiple coils too. But I'll keep in on my list to watch when real world tests are done.
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You will never beat multiple cheaper drivers, they always win in everything but "usually" box size.... But I highly doubt the people buying these are gonna be worried about money/performance. They are just gonna want a honking huge bass monster
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I know it doesnt work this way (and heck I even run 12s right now), but theres something about how a big driver delivers bass. Just so effortless and air moving power in a big 21+ driver.

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For me it's all about avoiding bottoming out.
That is what attracts me to 21's and up.

I'd never go with a small cone unless there was a serious width and height restriction.
A UM-18 can be stuffed into a 19x19x11 box if need be; which is a pretty small box considering the size of the driver.

Red is a Adire 12, and Yellow is a UM-18 in this size of box, powered with an 3kDSP to clipping.

Even in such a small box the UM still wins.
It's excursion is 10mm's vs the 12's 27mm's.
So the 18 isn't stressed at all, but the 12 is bottoming out on single digits.

The same strategy applies to +21inch drivers.
Having a big cone allows you to woof lots of air while maintaining tonnes of headroom, with no need for engaging a HPF at all.

My 21's are in 23x23x23 boxes, and I give them the full 8800watts from the FP14kW. They have never bottomed out, thus far...

A 15 literally looks like a mid next to a 21.
A 32 probably makes an 18 look like a tonka toy.

Even 100hz is like >10ft long.
So if you don't have an 18, then you don't really have a subwoofer.
For me, I call anything <18 just a woofer. Like the UM-15's in my mains, they are just there for support.
One LMS-18 has about the same output as two UM-15's, and it does it with way less distortion as well.
When pushed hard, my LMS's are way more musical than my Dayton's.
2 32's vs 6 UM-18's would be an interesting fight to the death...
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You are comparing one 12 to one 18. Of course the 18 is going to have more SPL. Thats not a revelation.

A driver is defined as a subwoofer, woofer, mid, tweeter, etc. based on the bandwidth it was designed to be used within. Not the diameter and some arbitrary definition BTH decided to use.

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I wish I could own some of these huge drivers but the shipping is crazy expensive to ship. BUT I am curious about large drivers and the difference in sound to the ear/senses compared to smaller diameters.
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I wish I could own some of these huge drivers but the shipping is crazy expensive to ship. BUT I am curious about large drivers and the difference in sound to the ear/senses compared to smaller diameters.
There is no difference. Only a psychoacoustic difference where your mind says "holy crap look at that thing. So much bass from one driver". My 6 12s setup has a naturally smooth in room response where as a single large driver does not. Its just hard to ignore the giant sub in the room. Eq them the same, blind fold me, and they sound the same. But I do want to reduce the number of boxes in my room so a large 32 like this has me very interested. It would be a lot more Vd than my 6 12s and less floor space.

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How long until the 24" one gets tested?

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There is no difference. Only a psychoacoustic difference where your mind says "holy crap look at that thing. So much bass from one driver". My 6 12s setup has a naturally smooth in room response where as a single large driver does not. Its just hard to ignore the giant sub in the room. Eq them the same, blind fold me, and they sound the same. But I do want to reduce the number of boxes in my room so a large 32 like this has me very interested. It would be a lot more Vd than my 6 12s and less floor space.
It looks like it will work fairly well right down to 10cf if you have enough amp.... Just think, Julien has 2 of these now lol
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Is that like 12L of displacement, or am I off my rocker here? I don't think I could get one to fit in my house, but I'm dying to see these start getting built and put into peoples systems.
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It looks like it will work fairly well right down to 10cf if you have enough amp.... Just think, Julien has 2 of these now lol
what's the weight on the 32?
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+1, multiple smaller> single large. Large drivers are primarily a visual attraction.
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+1, multiple smaller> single large. Large drivers are primarily a visual attraction.
In my case I would want to hide it as much as possible. I'd build a piece of furniture and hide it in there. Or if I move hope for an IB. They are visually menacing though.

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