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post #1 of 54 Old 02-25-2016, 10:20 PM - Thread Starter
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Eight Volt 10LX and 8LX Atmos Build

thanks to all that offered input and suggestions about my Atmos build questions in other threads. Two Volt 8LX and six Volt 10LX shipped today for delivery next week.

New side surrounds will be ported 10LX towers and rears will be ported bookshelf size Volt 8LX, veneered to match my 1099s. Four Volt 10LX will be mounted in ceiling at TF and TR placement, and I'm still undecided about going sealed or IB so any input about the trade offs for this type of driver is appreciated.

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As my first photo contribution, a 4x8' sheet of 10mil Bubinga pommele paper backed veneer showed up today.



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That's a nice looking veneer... do you mind sharing the cost and where you got it from?

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It's from GL Veneer and was $360. This sheet is comprised of four 12" wide pieces, which should work well because there shouldn't be any visible seams. For comparison, I used their 4'x9' sheet for my 1099s, and it was three 16" wide pieces per sheet which also allowed no visible seams. If you buy veneer online and don't want seams, you should call the vendor and inquire about this.
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Excited to see these shape up. Spiffy looking veneer.
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In the meantime love to see your 1099s


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No build thread was ever done, but here are a couple photos
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How did you build the towers? Did you use the stock baffle and add a sealed portion to the bottom or is it part of the ported volume and it's a custom baffle?


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I used the stock baffles and glued an additional piece of MDF at the bottom. The additional chamber at the bottom is not part of the speaker volume. The rest of the cabinet was done custom. If you want I should have an excel file with the dimensions of all panels and a Visio layout showing how the pieces were cut from the sheets of MDF.
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I used the stock baffles and glued an additional piece of MDF at the bottom. The additional chamber at the bottom is not part of the speaker volume. The rest of the cabinet was done custom. If you want I should have an excel file with the dimensions of all panels and a Visio layout showing how the pieces were cut from the sheets of MDF.

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FriscoD--please post Excel file and the layout here so others, like me can see how you did it too.

Why did you not include the base as part of the bottom woofer volume?

I'm considering the 1299 and want to raise the center of the CD to listening height, so I'm thinking of doing something similar.

VERY nice looking LCR's--well done!

Nice "stand" for the C also--it looks like you have it tilted just wee bit?
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thanks I will try to post some more details about the 1099 build in the next week. The center has a 5 degree rake so the waveguide points at the MLP, and the height was chosen to raise it slightly off the console while still clearing the tv. I didn't mess with the ports or volume on the left or right speakers just to keep things relatively simple.

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thanks I will try to post some more details about the 1099 build in the next week. The center has a 5 degree rake so the waveguide points at the MLP, and the height was chosen to raise it slightly off the console while still clearing the tv. I didn't mess with the ports or volume on the left or right speakers just to keep things relatively simple.
Count me as one more that would appreciate additional detail on your 1099 L&R tower builds. They look fantastic.

I will also be using a horizontal 1099 center on top of a media cabinet. I understand the purpose of the 5 degree angle to aim the waveguide at the MLP. Is there an acoustical reason for raising the speaker off the console? Does that allow you to position it further back from the front edge of the console and still avoid reflections off the top of the console?
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It appears you've had them a good 30 minutes or so.

You done yet?
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Eight Volt 10LX and 8LX Atmos Build

Crossovers are assembled. it was very, very easy with the boards.


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I am off work all week and hope to make some major progress, but I need some help for the left/right Volt-10LX surrounds. I tried asking in the dedicated coax threads but so far haven't gotten any replies, so any help here is appreciated because I want to cut the panels tomorrow. I want to do floor standing ported towers, roughly 3 cu ft with a slot port at the base of the front baffle. I modeled the Beta 10CX in that sized enclosure, and it seems to indicate that I will hit the 5mm xmax with approximately 50W of power and would want the port tuned somewhere around 40Hz for a smooth response. I've modeled it with a 0.75"x11.5" rectangular port, and at 2.4" deep it estimates the port resonance at 2800Hz with a port velocity of 18.5m/s. Does the relatively low power to hit xmax indicate that the enclosure is oversized and would be better if it was slightly smaller? And how do I interpret the port resonance and velocity? I assume that I would want the resonance above the crossover frequency, so from my naive understanding this looks ok. Any issues or recommended changes?

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I would bump that slot port up to 1.25" high if you can, but keep the same length you will likely see tuning lower then the winisd model predicts. The enclosure volume is within acceptable limits for that driver, while the model predicts you will reach xmax with only 50w in reality you should be able to push 100+ watts into to before it starts to audibly sound distressed with average material. If you play something that has a strong note right at the excursion maximum and play it at high levels then you might notice it to start sound a little strained or distorted there but the driver should not be in any trouble.
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I would bump that slot port up to 1.25" high if you can, but keep the same length you will likely see tuning lower then the winisd model predicts. The enclosure volume is within acceptable limits for that driver, while the model predicts you will reach xmax with only 50w in reality you should be able to push 100+ watts into to before it starts to audibly sound distressed with average material. If you play something that has a strong note right at the excursion maximum and play it at high levels then you might notice it to start sound a little strained or distorted there but the driver should not be in any trouble.
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Ok wood has been cut from handy panels for the two 10LX 'mini' towers and two bookshelf sized 8LX. It was about $60 in wood and an hour of my time. I will need one more piece of wood for the tower bases because of a misfit. I will also need to trim the 8LX pieces down slightly to account for the veneer.

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And that is it for today

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I flush trimmed and scuff sanded with 80 grit in prep for veneer today. Veneer should go on tomorrow. Here they are compared to the 1099 for scale.

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No work yesterday but here is some progress so far this morning. No issues that I can see so far. I'm moving on to side two after some water. I should finish veneer today.









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I am using contact cement and the scraper from veneer supplies, along with dowels and a small smooth foam roller from HD. Each surface gets a quick 80 grit scuff sanding. The MDF gets two cement coatings 30 mins apart, and the veneer gets one coat.



The cement goes down white and dries clear, after about 20-30 mins. The cement and roller is stored in a ziploc bag so it won't dry out and get sticky while I am working.

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Here is my technique to align the veneer - five dowels go down like this.



Then the veneer is placed and aligned - in this case I have roughly 0.5" or so extra. Once aligned the dowel at the end comes out and the last 5mm or so of veneer is pressed into the MDF.





Then the sheet is peeled back so the other dowels can come out, and then I work the veneer down roughly 1" at a time with the scraper.





And finished:



Even after flush trimming with the router, you need to clean up the edges with a sharp razor.

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