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Talking This was a stupid idea...

So, I've been a lurker here for a while. I started over at HomeTheaterShack five or six years ago when I was in college and working at Best Buy, and due to some cross posts wound up looking at all the DIY goodness on this site last year. Before I did find it, I had already purchased the JBL LSR308's and the matching LSR310S sub for my humble battle station setup. I was able to grab an Emotiva XDA-1 when they went on closeout way back when, so currently my setup looks like this:
Home built PC/Media Server (PLEX and soon to be JRiver)
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It's actually a pretty bangin' setup. According to most reviews, the 308s hit way above their price point (although building Fusion 8s or 10s would probably be cheaper) and they have done a pretty awesome job with the music and movies I've thrown at them. The 310 hits pretty hard, but definitely rolls of very fast below about 35hz. It also seems a bit boomy in the 50-60hz region, although I really only notice that when I'm moving around the room, so I'll blame it on ****ty room modes and lack of treatments (unless you count a bed on the opposite wall as a room treatment, haha)
Please forgive the positively ghetto speaker stands and lack of cable management. I'm currently in the army, and while the Army trusts me to be a sole representative for my branch in certain countries in the middle east, they don't yet trust me to feed or house myself. With promotions working the way they are for my job (MOS), unless I get married (not likely), I still get to live in the wonderful barracks.
Well, enough of my complaining. Originally I was planning on doing a VBSS build, and maybe try to get the boxes CNC cut somewhere so I could assemble them myself, as I don't have the resources to build my own currently. Well, fast forward to the DS4-18's going on sale, and I maybe had too much Jameson and ordered 2.
In order to utilize them, I had to get boxes, so in comes the DIYSG flat packs. @EricH was awesome, and double checked with me that they were actually going to be delivered correctly. (I had put a box number for my Barracks Mail room, and apparently FedEx hates PO boxes)
I got the Flat Packs earlier this week, and had some time this evening to glue them together. I followed the awesome tutorial corradizo wrote, which completely saved my ass, as I had no idea how I was going to manage to build them without clamps. I used a whole bottle of Titebond II which I hope will be enough.
I'm going to buy the iNuke 3kdsp tomorrow, along with binding posts and feet (which I forgot to get from DIYSG, I blame the Jameson...again) but I'm not 100% sure how I should finish them. I'm pretty stoked about these, and I think in my meager 225ish ft^2 the two 18's should be pretty good.
I do have a couple questions:
1.) What gauge wire should I use for the cabinets internally?
2.) In regards to acousti stuff, for the 4 cu ft boxes is 4 lbs still the golden standard?
3.) Is there a DSP file for the iNuke that will get me a good base line for the DS4-18s? I don't have access to a mic right now, so a general file might have to do.

Let me know what you guys think!
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Its kind of fun being in the military I was in the Navy for 6 years going to different countries made me appreciate America more. As far as your questions I would use 12ga. ( I use this for all my subs ). Yes you are correct the standard seems to be 1lb. per cu.ft. To set up your nuke go to this thread:

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Go a little over halfway down the first page it will give you some basic adjustments for the setting up the amp dsp.
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1.) What gauge wire should I use for the cabinets internally? 12 or 14 is fine
2.) In regards to acousti stuff, for the 4 cu ft boxes is 4 lbs still the golden standard? yes. that will be good
3.) Is there a DSP file for the iNuke that will get me a good base line for the DS4-18s? I don't have access to a mic right now, so a general file might have to do. there is no file but you should go with the 6000 instead of the 3000 for two of them
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Where are the pictures of your build?
It wont let me post pictures until I get 5 posts. I didn't want to spam a bunch of other threads just to hit that number though.
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1.) What gauge wire should I use for the cabinets internally? 12 or 14 is fine
2.) In regards to acousti stuff, for the 4 cu ft boxes is 4 lbs still the golden standard? yes. that will be good
3.) Is there a DSP file for the iNuke that will get me a good base line for the DS4-18s? I don't have access to a mic right now, so a general file might have to do. there is no file but you should go with the 6000 instead of the 3000 for two of them
Any super compelling reasons I should get the 6k over the 3k?
So the reason I was thinking about getting the 3000 is that I'm not sure how much the circuitry in my building can handle. I don't even have a sub panel in my room where I can check what amperage the breakers are, but I'm guessing that they are probably 15amp. With all the other crap I'm already running, I think the 6000 might be a bit much for it. Plus like I said, the room is only about 225 ft^2, and the current sub is 300 watts, so I was hoping having an order of magnitude of more power would be enough. Plus when I move into a new place, I could always get the 6000 then, and use the 3000 for some Infinity's or something.
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Definitely listen to brian6751 on going with the 6000DSP over the 3000, you'll be leaving performance on the table with the 3000 and even though you may not need it in your current living situation, if you ever move and have your equipment in a bigger room you may wish you had gone with the larger amp.

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Its kind of fun being in the military I was in the Navy for 6 years going to different countries made me appreciate America more. As far as your questions I would use 12ga. ( I use this for all my subs ). Yes you are correct the standard seems to be 1lb. per cu.ft. To set up your nuke go to this thread:


Go a little over halfway down the first page it will give you some basic adjustments for the setting up the amp dsp.
Awesome, thanks for the link. I've looked through that thread, but must have missed that post somehow. Living in Italy for 2 years totally made me appreciate America more. After experiencing that dumpster fire of a socialist country, I'm super thankful that I can live in the USA.
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Definitely listen to brian6751 on going with the 6000DSP over the 3000, you'll be leaving performance on the table with the 3000 and even though you may not need it in your current living situation, if you ever move and have your equipment in a bigger room you may wish you had gone with the larger amp.
Ah, that makes sense. In order to protect the meager circuitry here, should I limit the wattage to the subs?

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Ah, that makes sense. In order to protect the meager circuitry here, should I limit the wattage to the subs?

Also, I attached Pictures here, and I'll throw them up on the first post as well.
Unless you have all of your electronics hooked up to something smaller than a 15A breaker you should have no problems giving them full power. For the DS4 you'll still want to set the limiter around 1500w though.

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Ah, that makes sense. In order to protect the meager circuitry here, should I limit the wattage to the subs?

Also, I attached Pictures here, and I'll throw them up on the first post as well.
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The best bang for the buck is the 6000, BUT it has two very noisy fans. If the amp is going to be in the room, it'll be a problem. You can do a fan mod, but many here have a hard time keeping the amp cool using quieter fans. So, for me, I'd rather have the 3000. Easy fan mod with good results AND you don't have to run longer speaker cable in case you need to place a sub at a different location. I suggest two 3000DSP amps. Each sub has a bridged amp.

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The best bang for the buck is the 6000, BUT it has two very noisy fans. If the amp is going to be in the room, it'll be a problem. You can do a fan mod, but many here have a hard time keeping the amp cool using quieter fans. So, for me, I'd rather have the 3000. Easy fan mod with good results AND you don't have to run longer speaker cable in case you need to place a sub at a different location. I suggest two 3000DSP amps. Each sub has a bridged amp.
I have a INuke 3000 pushing two Dayton Ho 18's in 4cf sealed and its plenty loud enough.

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I have a INuke 3000 pushing two Dayton Ho 18's in 4cf sealed and its plenty loud enough
I think a single 3000 will run out of steam pushing two sealed DS4-18 to reference.

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X-AF here!

I was in Southern Italy 25 years ago, great food, sun and topless beaches (somebody had to do it) The issue with dorm rooms is you share one breaker with other rooms--I found that out with my rather spirited sound system with two amps back in the day. For some reason, people tend to be annoyed when you take out three rooms at once.

If you get the 6000, I believe it has an adjustable limiter so you can turn down the max output to prevent barracks wars. Turn it down to around 5 to 600 watts per side and you should be OK depending on what everyone else is doing.

Enjoy!
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If you get the 6000, I believe it has an adjustable limiter so you can turn down the max output to prevent barracks wars. Turn it down to around 5 to 600 watts per side and you should be OK depending on what everyone else is doing.

Enjoy!
The 6000 has a fan noise issue that's rather hard to remedy. People are making drastic mods on them. I don't think it's worth the trouble.

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The 6000 has a fan noise issue that's rather hard to remedy. People are making drastic mods on them. I don't think it's worth the trouble.
I'm in the boat that the fan noise is not much of issue. Everyone is different though, how often is it dead silent in your room?
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I guess we both like big speakers next to our computers.
Yes we do. You don't want to know how close I was to buying @Gorilla83 's Sentinels, but I think that might be too much.

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The best bang for the buck is the 6000, BUT it has two very noisy fans. If the amp is going to be in the room, it'll be a problem. You can do a fan mod, but many here have a hard time keeping the amp cool using quieter fans. So, for me, I'd rather have the 3000. Easy fan mod with good results AND you don't have to run longer speaker cable in case you need to place a sub at a different location. I suggest two 3000DSP amps. Each sub has a bridged amp.
I suppose the amp doesn't have to be on/under my desk, I could probably stuff it in a closet with an extension cord, but they don't have a lot of air circulation.

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and thank you for your service!!! Im ex-Navy as well.
That's what I was thinking too. I've always been a fan of "buy once, cry once", but with the fan mods, and my small space, I'm really wondering if I actually need that headroom. would the 6k really give me that much more potential?
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I think a single 3000 will run out of steam pushing two sealed DS4-18 to reference.

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I'm happy to do it. Its been an experience for sure. Started off in the infantry in the 173rd, then made the jump to SOF back here in NC.

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X-AF here!

I was in Southern Italy 25 years ago, great food, sun and topless beaches (somebody had to do it) The issue with dorm rooms is you share one breaker with other rooms--I found that out with my rather spirited sound system with two amps back in the day. For some reason, people tend to be annoyed when you take out three rooms at once.

If you get the 6000, I believe it has an adjustable limiter so you can turn down the max output to prevent barracks wars. Turn it down to around 5 to 600 watts per side and you should be OK depending on what everyone else is doing.

Enjoy!
Southern Italy is way better than Northern Italy. I was in Vicenza for 2 years. The topless beaches and food aren't quite as plentiful up there, but the wine was pretty good!
Yeah that's what I was worried about. In my last place, each room had a sub panel in the room, so if I popped a breaker, no big deal. I don't even know where the sub panel is on this floor (Penthouse Woo! lugging the subs and boxes up 3 flights of stairs wasn't fun though.)
Would keeping the output of the amp down mitigate the fans being taxed so much, and therefore negate the need for the fan mod?

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I'm in the boat that the fan noise is not much of issue. Everyone is different though, how often is it dead silent in your room?
I effectively live with a bunch of children... Nothing is ever quiet in the barracks.

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The 6000 has a fan noise issue that's rather hard to remedy. People are making drastic mods on them. I don't think it's worth the trouble.
Good to know. I'm fairly mechanically inclined, so modding it isn't the issue. Two 3ks is getting expensive though.


By the way, Thanks for the help everyone. I know it sort of sounds like I'm going in circles about all this, but all the info is super helpful.
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The iNuke fans are never silent. They're always on. Think hair dryer noisy. That's why if the amp is in room, you need the fan mod. Unlike the Crown XLS amps, their fans are silent AND only go on when needed. But, they don't have the nice DSP the iNuke has. If the Crown had the iNuke DSP, it would be Crown all the way.

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The new nukes are far from "hair dryer" levels.. An unmodded pair of 6kdsp is just as loud as a modded Sanway 10000q in my room. The nukes aren't all that bad to mod, I've had 1 of 3 6k have an issue with straight fan replacement. All it took was a stand-alone 12v power supply to remedy the issue.
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The new nukes are far from "hair dryer" levels.. An unmodded pair of 6kdsp is just as loud as a modded Sanway 10000q in my room. The nukes aren't all that bad to mod, I've had 1 of 3 6k have an issue with straight fan replacement. All it took was a stand-alone 12v power supply to remedy the issue.
Didn't know they are 'silent' iNukes. I'm basing upon the ones I have. The hair dryers.

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The iNuke fans are never silent. They're always on. Think hair dryer noisy. That's why if the amp is in room, you need the fan mod. Unlike the Crown XLS amps, their fans are silent AND only go on when needed. But, they don't have the nice DSP the iNuke has. If the Crown had the iNuke DSP, it would be Crown all the way.
I have three of them. Hair dryer is quite the over statement, even with all three on.
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Here is an idea,

Considering you are in a small dorm room, you have limited electricity and really don't need war volume--get the 3000DSP. The 6000 is two 3000's on the same chassis. The 3000 will give you around 600 watts RMS X 2 channels and not blow breakers (much) There is no problem running the subs at 600 watts instead of 1500, we are talking 4dB but with power compression, in real world it would be around 3dB louder. It would be a little louder with the 6000 but you are in a dorm room!

Once you get to a location to go nuts, you can either get another 3000DSP bridged or look at other amps depending on your needs at that time.

1,200 watts and two 18's in a small room--that should be enough for most people. Having neighbors on the other side of those walls/floors tends to take the fun out of the madness. Those dorm rooms are about the size of a standard bedroom so you'll have a ton of room gain.

I don't own any iNukes, I am assuming the 3000DSP has a quieter fan?

If you hang around AVS long enough, you'll end up with eight 18's and a SpeakerPower 12,000 watt beast... so hard to predict what you want/need/can fit in the future.

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Here is an idea,

Considering you are in a small dorm room, you have limited electricity and really don't need war volume--get the 3000DSP. The 6000 is two 3000's on the same chassis. The 3000 will give you around 600 watts RMS X 2 channels and not blow breakers (much) There is no problem running the subs at 600 watts instead of 1500, we are talking 4dB but with power compression, in real world it would be around 3dB louder. It would be a little louder with the 6000 but you are in a dorm room!

Once you get to a location to go nuts, you can either get another 3000DSP bridged or look at other amps depending on your needs at that time.

1,200 watts and two 18's in a small room--that should be enough for most people. Having neighbors on the other side of those walls/floors tends to take the fun out of the madness. Those dorm rooms are about the size of a standard bedroom so you'll have a ton of room gain.

I don't own any iNukes, I am assuming the 3000DSP has a quieter fan?

If you hang around AVS long enough, you'll end up with eight 18's and a SpeakerPower 12,000 watt beast... so hard to predict what you want/need/can fit in the future.

Good luck and enjoy your tour.

PS Go to Corfu, Greece... the Swedish sector is nice this time of year. If full nudity bothers you, avoid the Swedish sector!
This was along my original vein of thinking as well. I just don't think I'll be able to even touch reference often, much less make use of the additional 4db without having serious problems with my neighbors/ management. I wish I was still stationed over there, I would totally hit up Corfu. As it was, I got to see a large piece of Europe, but now I'm stuck in the armpit that is Fayetteville NC.

Speaking of NC, I had read about a NC GTG on a thread a while back, but I'm not sure if it ever materialized or when people were going to do that. I know there are a couple members here from NC, and I would totally love to experience a really well implemented system if anyone would be willing to demo for me. This site seems pretty accepting of newcomers to the DIY hobby, which is super awesome. I never would have dreamed of having 2 18" subs a year ago, but this site made it easy.
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As others have mentioned all it takes is two. Subs are like rabbits they keep multiplying. I started with 2 18's and a 3000DSP but I got addicted bought a few sold a few now I have 2 HST18's 2 Audiopipe TXX-BD2 15's 8 12' subs pushing the 30KW mark in a 1800cu.ft. room. I need my head examined
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This was along my original vein of thinking as well. I just don't think I'll be able to even touch reference often, much less make use of the additional 4db without having serious problems with my neighbors/ management. I never would have dreamed of having 2 18" subs a year ago, but this site made it easy.
Very true,

Sub bass is a drug...easy to go crazy with it. Still, you are in a dorm so SPL limited and are limited in electrical draw, the 3000DSP is more than enough. If you feel "wimpy", remember you have two 18" subwoofers and 1,200 watts of power in a dorm room! When you move into a house, just go with another pair of 18's and another 3000DSP and have four 18's and 2,400 watts of power--your breakers should be fine.

In my garage, I have two subwoofers, they have two 15's in each one in a push-pull slot loaded alignment. The programming gives me a max output of 118dB each sub and I have two equally powered...124dB you could say. Yes, my neighbors are very aware of them and yes, the sheriff has crowned me the loudest MF'er in the county. Each sub is fed 200 watts RMS so I have 400 watts of neighbor waking up, garage shaking, you are under arrest power. I "only" get 111dB at 25 feet away (outside the garage) but I'm very limited with electrical power as the garage shares the breaker with the HVAC.

Eventually I'll replace the old amps with a 3000DSP and bump the power up to 300 watts X 2 channels just because... so relax, although massive power would be fun... if the drywall cracks or something breaks... Uncle Sugar tends to be a bit bitchy about that sort of thing.

Enjoy Fayettenam!
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I have three of them. Hair dryer is quite the over statement, even with all three on.


I think you know where I was going with that description. I have an umodded iNuke and it's loud. No way I can use it in room, with the original fan.

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Not going to dispute the hair dryer effect from the older nukes ( had a 3000DSP awhile ago ) however I just bought one of the new nu6000 I was pleasantly surprised no longer the hair dryer effect. It almost makes me wish I did not buy the replacement fans.
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