Originally Posted by DustinF
Do you have a music dvd or blu-ray, such as The Eagles?
Just curious if playing that makes a difference.
The only reason I mention this, is that it would narrow down issue.
The graphs look fine, so it would be interesting to have a 2nd pair of ears listen.
I'm wondering if your software for playing movies is bumping everything hot compared to everything else.
I would still do a full factory reset on receiver to make sure you don't have any scenes that are kicking in that you aren't aware of.
I do not, but I would like to add some concert Blurays to the collection. I am open to suggestions for well mastered music Blurays or DVD's. The closest thing I have right now is "Straight Outta Compton", maybe I can compare a song played during the movie to it being played some other way?
I will check for firmware, and maybe do a factory reset today. I did a factory reset recently since a friend of mine was borrowing it for a while. When I got it back I did a factory reset just because, and also checked for firmware. That was maybe about a year ago? Probably less than that, but I cant remember exactly.
Originally Posted by mthomas47
I believe you when you say that looking at the graphs doesn't tell the whole story, and that you hear a lot more bass with movies than you do with music. But, based on the comparison graphs you did, I am less likely now to think that this is a setting issue. If your subs weren't operating properly with music, I don't see how you could have gotten those big peaks between about 25Hz and 45Hz. So, I think it's more likely a bass management issue, or perhaps slightly an expectation issue than it is a setting problem.
One of the reasons I had suggested earlier that you experiment with your crossovers, going both under and over the nominal 80Hz you are using, was to determine if your subs are just not providing as much mid-bass as you want. I think you might be more likely to notice that lack of mid-bass with music, and in the song you measured that certainly seemed to be where you were lacking. There have been some good discussions on other threads recently regarding the importance of the speakers in supporting the subs in the mid-bass region.
I would try setting a 60Hz crossover with my Cantons, and also use the bass tone control to add 3db or 4db of bass boost with music, just to see if that gets you closer to what you are hoping to hear. You can always make adjustments when going back and forth between movies and music. I do. Some people have been adding MBM's (mid-bass modules) to their systems lately to increase chest punch in that critical 50Hz to 100Hz region. That's where I am speculating that you aren't getting the bass you want with music. I think it's possible that you can get a significant increase in bass by dropping the crossover on your fronts to 60Hz, and using a manual bass boost with your tone control. If not, an MBM that concentrates on that mid-bass region might be an inexpensive solution. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...-response.html
It could be an expectation problem, but its strange to me that I am very satisfied with the movie bass and very disappointed with music bass. It's hard to figure out what the "setting" problem could be too since (for an example) I can run a sweep though the HTPC, and then play music through the HTPC, and hear vastly different results. As far as the receiver and the amps are concerned, nothing has changed. Both of those put out 2 channel audio, and they are both (obviously) on the same input. Just weird. That is why I am kind of against changing settings, or levels, etc. If I can get over 110db all the way though the range, I shouldn't have to bump some range, or change settings, or add more mid-bass IMO. I could see if I had a 10db dip between 30-50htz that I would have weak bass for music, but on an REW sweep it is right there along with above and below it.
To go along with that, I have heard lots of bass on other systems including my own. My other computer can easily have overbearing bass compared to the rest of the audio, and that is with one tiny sub and one tiny amp. I know it is strongest in that 30-50htz range, but it still has WAY less output than the main room of course. My buddies system does probably have a hump around 30htz (just a guess), but his house bumps like a car with a system listening to music. He has a single SVS PB12-NSD, and EMPTek towers, and he has his set up for double bass. I cant see the towers supplying that amount of bass even though they are far more capable than my speakers. I know my subs have WAY more output than his, and no matter what I do I cant get the same bass as his system.
Let me put this out there another way. When I watch movies I am 8 clicks down from full volume on both channels of the inuke, and the subs are at 0 in the AVR. That is the settings you see for the charts above. If I want to get crazy I will go 2 up from there (6 down from full), and even in the all out setting that gets be ~120db I am still 4 clicks from full volume and +5 on the subs in the AVR. I have turned the AVR to +10 on both sub channels, AND turned the inuke all the way up, AND turned the AVR to +5 (something I cant even do for sweeps/movie), and its still weak in comparison.
One more thing I just thought of. If I run YAPO on my receiver it will set my fronts to large. If I try and do a sweep at 0 it will shut off instantly. I can get to about -6 if I remember correctly before it just shuts itself off. All of my speakers except the surround backs are powered by an Emotiva amp, which I have off for sweeps, so it cant be the speaker itself causing that problem. I never looked into it any more since if I set it back to small its no problem.
That's long enough for now