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When we hear the mid bass on a speaker like this is better than others, what physically is going on?

Are, say, the Fusion 15, 1099, 1299, etc. at limits in home theatres with 10-16ft distance and cannot produce 110dB+ 100Hz from 100w?

Or instead of quantity, is it quality, where their woofers are at say 20% distortion at those levels and Titan is much cleaner?

Just trying to understand what's in play and the effects.

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... OK I belatedly just saw the diagram of the Titan... so maybe the thin depth of 12" helps mitigate SBIR when placed against wall (pushing cancelation frequency higher)?

Or is it mainly the horn loading of the woofer?

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... OK I belatedly just saw the diagram of the Titan... so maybe the thin depth of 12" helps mitigate SBIR when placed against wall (pushing cancelation frequency higher)?

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You'd need a baffle wall to get around SBIR.... which I bet they'd be outright monsters in a baffle wall. My 2150s went from weak to shaking the room once they were installed in the wall.
12" just means against the wall the null would be a couple hundred hz.. whatever the 1/4 wave is of 12".

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When is the kit ready to ship?

Any idea on price?

Tempted to say the least!
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You'd need a baffle wall to get around SBIR.... which I bet they'd be outright monsters in a baffle wall. My 2150s went from weak to shaking the room once they were installed in the wall.
12" just means against the wall the null would be a couple hundred hz.. whatever the 1/4 wave is of 12".
You get SBIR from other walls not just the front FYI. It won't solve problem totally but it certainly helps as the front wall is worst offender.
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You'd need a baffle wall to get around SBIR.... which I bet they'd be outright monsters in a baffle wall. My 2150s went from weak to shaking the room once they were installed in the wall.
12" just means against the wall the null would be a couple hundred hz.. whatever the 1/4 wave is of 12".
240hz if I guess. I think 1khz is near 12".

It's not about more output it's about smoother response so you can create a larger and more consistent seating area. If you push the problem up high enough you can actually absorb it. Absorbtion might work on 240hz but won't work as well at lower frequency so that could be a legit strategy. If you wanted to absorb lower problem you might need an unreasonably thick treatment. But the boundary gain isn't what you should seek because the goal is still smooth accurate response. The baffle wall is an acoustical tool to fix an acoustical problem and. It a vehicle for increased output, but the benefit of boundary gain can certainly be helpful too.
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When we hear the mid bass on a speaker like this is better than others, what physically is going on?

Are, say, the Fusion 15, 1099, 1299, etc. at limits in home theatres with 10-16ft distance and cannot produce 110dB+ 100Hz from 100w?

Or instead of quantity, is it quality, where their woofers are at say 20% distortion at those levels and Titan is much cleaner?

Just trying to understand what's in play and the effects.

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Human ear has better resolution at lower freq so you'll actually notice peaks and valleys in response more in say a bass or lower midrange region than you would at higher mids or highs. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. The exaggeration of the need for midbass is a forum problem seems unique to this place. You only need enough, having more will harm the sound rather than help it.

I suspect the popularity of midbass modules and things as well as the subjective feedback on them is mostly based on the fact they solve acoustical problems by making the soundfield more complex (and removing nulls). So you actually hear what was missing which I guess to some people can seem like more or better.
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Incorrect, we hear best between 800 and 4000 hz. Down in the bass we're pretty insensitive.
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Since I can't wait a day or two for Erich and/or Matt to post pricing, I was trying to piece together pricing from the limited info provided by Erich in this thread. Silly, I know, but bear with me. Below is an estimated breakdown looking at @Erich H 's post here about two of the components they are using. The rest of the items below are wild guesses at pricing.

Price Break Down:
1- 15" Denovo Titan 15: $150-$200 (no idea if this is the price range)
1- 6.5" Eminence Alpha-6CBMRA midrange driver: $45
1- 1" Celestion CDX1-1731 compression driver: $142
1- 1" Screw-On Horn for compression driver: $30-$50 (no idea which horn - Eminence makes this screw-on, but this bolt-on has a similar design to QSC's)
1- Waveguide for midrange driver: $30-$50
1- Set of crossover parts: $75-$125 (this is the range from the 1299 to the Max 12 LXE)
2- "4 Precision Ports: $30
1- CNC cut front baffle: $30
1- Set of Screws and gaskets: $1.50
Packaging Material: $15.00

Wild guess estimated purchase price range based on the above (w/o flat pack) between: $550-$690

EDIT: I found the QSC SC-2150 OEM Waveguide, which is a one piece horn for both the CD and midrange and is priced at $30. If a similar waveguide/horn were used for the Titan 615, that would change the estimated total purchase price range to $520-$620.

****Disclaimer - the above is just a shot in the dark at pricing based on Erich's post of using the Alpha 6CBMRA and the Celestion CDX1-1731. I know he gets bulk discounts so, I'd suspect the foregoing estimated pricing is on the higher side, but Erich will provide pricing before too long. I was just bored last night thinking about these and in trying to aid my decision priced these components.
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They'll be much closer to the low end of that pricing.

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Incorrect, we hear best between 800 and 4000 hz. Down in the bass we're pretty insensitive.
Well that's partially true and also not.

I was referring to the difference in sound level between octaves or various frequency.

At higher frequency people won't tend to hear a spike or dip in response that covers only a few hz.

Example: a big dip in response from 6500hz to 6550hz. That's 50hz wide but you might not even notice it. Half that width in the midbass with the same amount of dip you certainly would hear much easier even though it encompass a smaller number of bands. Humans hear in about 1/3 octaves which means in the lower octaves the resolution across frequencies is enhanced, because the octaves are shorter.

But I agree with you in terms of sensitivity because if you meant humans hear midbrange better than bass or high treble you are correct too. But that's the ability to hear at a given volume, and I was referring the the comparative ability and resolution across bands. Besides the room doesn't mess around with that stuff anyways so it's a mute point. The influence of the room and the typical dominant and unique response problems happens primarily under 500hz.
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They'll be much closer to the low end of that pricing.

They're going to use Baltic birch for the cabinets.
I'm so super excited now.
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They'll be much closer to the low end of that pricing.

They're going to use Baltic birch for the cabinets.
Wow!

Sounds like a winner!!
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You don't have to wait, use the Dayton 380-8 15" driver or the PA460-8 18" driver
My issue with the 380 has always been the 5mm of linear excursion. 15"s are the largest I can use currently due to height restrictions. I also need time to finish my current subs. And learn more about integration and execution concerning adding a proper MBM. I will start a thread on that when I get some cash together and can do more research. I have wanted to do it since I built my mains. These speakers might be my inspiration to dig into the topic further. The Titan's are exactly what I wanted when I built my SEOS AE tops. Very cool to see this type of configuration being developed.
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Since I can't have anything bigger than a fusion 6, I will be looking forward to the classified section here in a few months

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12" just means against the wall the null would be a couple hundred hz.. whatever the 1/4 wave is of 12".
Yeah, so the driver being able to be 12" from the wall instead of, say, 18" means the null can be 280Hz instead of 180Hz, which is more absorbable as Advanced mentioned, and it leaves more midbass not cancelled by the null. Not saying could be the only factor...obviously it's not...but maybe a contributor.

Mitigating SBIR aside, I wonder what and why the drivers and crossover and horn-loading gives one "awesome mid-bass".
Horn-loading a mid increases efficiency like a Klipschorn, Danley, etc. But just looking at the numbers back-of-napkin I mentioned in my original question, the 98dB speakers shouldn't be pooping out anyway.

So, does a speaker like the Titan give us:
  • Higher-quality output?
  • Exaggerated response in midrange?
  • Flat response, but maybe where other SEOS speakers pooped out at 200w, this one "goes to 11" and can handle 600w with aplomb?
  • ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not raining on parade or bashing...I am a huge SEOS and DIYSG advocate and own 6 DIYSG speakers myself. Just curious.

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that has already begun!
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Why Moar Midbass?

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Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. The exaggeration of the need for midbass is a forum problem seems unique to this place. You only need enough, having more will harm the sound rather than help it.
Context matters. I can picture a use-case of moar midbass being: "Many live concerts have exaggerated midbass. I want to recreate that sound and feeling of 10th row/standing room."

It doesn't have to be just "recreate what's encoded on the CD/DVD/etc. music track I licensed".

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I suspect the popularity of midbass modules and things as well as the subjective feedback on them is mostly based on the fact they solve acoustical problems by making the soundfield more complex (and removing nulls). So you actually hear what was missing which I guess to some people can seem like more or better.
Mitigating nulls seems laudible to me.

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that has already begun!
Looks like we may be leaning in the same direction. I almost posted my 1099s in the classifieds yesterday. I don't think my wife will have much of an appetite for me to build another set of speakers before we redo the kitchen, but these look like exactly what I was looking for.
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that has already begun!
Looks like we may be leaning in the same direction. I almost posted my 1099s in the classifieds yesterday. I don't think my wife will have much of an appetite for me to build another set of speakers before we redo the kitchen, but these look like exactly what I was looking for.
We are indeed. I already have a possible buyer for my Cinema 10 maxes. These new speakers give me the chance to redo my entire front wall.
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Yeah, so the driver being able to be 12" from the wall instead of, say, 18" means the null can be 280Hz instead of 180Hz, which is more absorbable as Advanced mentioned, and it leaves more midbass not cancelled by the null. Not saying could be the only factor...obviously it's not...but maybe a contributor.

Mitigating SBIR aside, I wonder what and why the drivers and crossover and horn-loading gives one "awesome mid-bass".
Horn-loading a mid increases efficiency like a Klipschorn, Danley, etc. But just looking at the numbers back-of-napkin I mentioned in my original question, the 98dB speakers shouldn't be pooping out anyway.

So, does a speaker like the Titan give us:
  • Higher-quality output?
  • Exaggerated response in midrange?
  • Flat response, but maybe where other SEOS speakers pooped out at 200w, this one "goes to 11" and can handle 600w with aplomb?
  • ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not raining on parade or bashing...I am a huge SEOS and DIYSG advocate and own 6 DIYSG speakers myself. Just curious.
You can't really determine a lot of these things just by looking at speakers. However the main differences with the Titan will be it will have controlled directivity lower than the other designs because of the larger mid waveguide. Not that much lower though. The MAX spl will be higher than the other speaker offerings, but that is honestly a non-factor for EVERYONE, because even the smaller seos designs can play way above typical sound level tolerance. In extreme cases with hugee rooms and +15 reference listening they would definitely be an upgrade. The response is quite flat so there wouldn't be any "exaggerated midrange response". The Titans are also full range and can play quite low, many of the other seos speakers can't. That's a non-factor for anyone with a few subs though.
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They'll be much closer to the low end of that pricing.

They're going to use Baltic birch for the cabinets.
Take my money... Take it.. Why aren't you taking it..LOL

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We are indeed. I already have a possible buyer for my Cinema 10 maxes. These new speakers give me the chance to redo my entire front wall.
So you don't want to buy my 1099s?
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You get SBIR from other walls not just the front FYI. It won't solve problem totally but it certainly helps as the front wall is worst offender.
He was specifically talking about front wall interference from the front 3. The rear wall null most just sit far enough to get the null below the crossover to the subs. And yes at 12" your at 1/4 wave of 280hz so that could be treated with a few inches of absorption. Of course the added absorption moves the speaker a few inches into the room which lowers the freq. but it would probably still be fine.



But Yes the baffle wall is the best way to get rid of it. The midbass efficiency is so great it's enough in itself adding tons of dynamics. http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/2013322baffle-walls/




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Yeah, so the driver being able to be 12" from the wall instead of, say, 18" means the null can be 280Hz instead of 180Hz, which is more absorbable as Advanced mentioned, and it leaves more midbass not cancelled by the null. Not saying could be the only factor...obviously it's not...but maybe a contributor.

Mitigating SBIR aside, I wonder what and why the drivers and crossover and horn-loading gives one "awesome mid-bass".
Horn-loading a mid increases efficiency like a Klipschorn, Danley, etc. But just looking at the numbers back-of-napkin I mentioned in my original question, the 98dB speakers shouldn't be pooping out anyway.

So, does a speaker like the Titan give us:
  • Higher-quality output?
  • Exaggerated response in midrange?
  • Flat response, but maybe where other SEOS speakers pooped out at 200w, this one "goes to 11" and can handle 600w with aplomb?
  • ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not raining on parade or bashing...I am a huge SEOS and DIYSG advocate and own 6 DIYSG speakers myself. Just curious.

I measured my QSC 2150s and my JBL 3677. AS you may or may not be aware of JBL is know for incredible midbass dynamics. Mine have always measured pretty smooth in room with no DSP. It's more dynamics in the midbass. Crossing at 80hz still requires the mains etc to produce some low end content (80+). Try 80hz thru a 6" driver and then a main with a 15", 80hz can still pressurize a room so the 15" has the advantage, besides who want to cross 6" drivers to several 18" subs. Just using 6" as an example. Beyond simply driver displacement some of these drivers when tuned right are just incredibly dynamic in that bass and midbass area. I've owned several high sensitivity speakers and DIY.. but something about some of them just has more omph.

AS for response, midrange etc. I have no doubt the Titan will be awesome. Looking at the measured response it look quite impressive and accurate. If I needed new speakers I'd be all over them!

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Well that's partially true and also not.

I was referring to the difference in sound level between octaves or various frequency.

At higher frequency people won't tend to hear a spike or dip in response that covers only a few hz.

Example: a big dip in response from 6500hz to 6550hz. That's 50hz wide but you might not even notice it. Half that width in the midbass with the same amount of dip you certainly would hear much easier even though it encompass a smaller number of bands. Humans hear in about 1/3 octaves which means in the lower octaves the resolution across frequencies is enhanced, because the octaves are shorter.

But I agree with you in terms of sensitivity because if you meant humans hear midbrange better than bass or high treble you are correct too. But that's the ability to hear at a given volume, and I was referring the the comparative ability and resolution across bands. Besides the room doesn't mess around with that stuff anyways so it's a mute point. The influence of the room and the typical dominant and unique response problems happens primarily under 500hz.
Well thats a little unfair to say we are more sensitive to dips in the bass region based on a linear frequency scale. Of course we are But we hear on a log scale so thats how we talk about such things.

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My darling wife may be less than impressed, but I'll surprise her with that new stove she was hinting at.. ( yes I'm very lucky to have a extremely practical partner)
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Hmm, I like the shallow design on these...maybe I leave my LCR 1899's up front and upgrade my surrounds to these bad boys
Dude, get out of my head!
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I'd be happy enough to prepay or preorder.. Or whatever it takes to know that once these are boxed up, I got a set comin..
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