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I am really liking this setup. I love my little speakers I made, they sound great and dynamic with a very smooth detailed sound. I still have to measure but if my DIY speaker measure better than my TLAH at 1 meter then I am going full 11.2 with my DIY version. I still can't believe the two XXX ported subs. By far the best low frequency drivers I have heard in my wall, thanks @LTD02 for the port design!
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I have not used all drivers. I have owned the eD 190v2, CHT subs, Klipsch THX ultra 2 subs, M&K MX-5000s, SVS PB2-plus, SVS 16-46 CS+, DTS-10s, eD 13av2s, a few pro audio subs including a folded horn 18, Fi car IB3-18's, the SI-18, and these XXX ported drivers and they are awesome. The bass is similar but different. The low end is more than any of the other systems. They have plenty of mid bass too.
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MK are the XXX's in your IB or another type of ported design?
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They are in my wall but I had LTD02 design me a port for these. The enclosure is big enough for 4 for the future. They just sound a little different in presentation which I like. I am getting another clone to power these as my inure 6k is lighting red. I am running hot as usual. The inuke 6k sounds great up to its limits though. The sims say 2000 watts should take these past x-max in the giant enclosure but my amp runs out first. The clone should give me 3 dB more plus 6 dB peak. Most of the bass hits are dynamic so that 6 dB will be welcome. I am currently testing, well listening, to a few different tweeter designs in a mini array and so far I am out of the CD/horn game. I really like the soft domes in an array.
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I would be very interested in seeing the harmonic distortion of the TLAH at say 1 w/1m

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Yes, I used Photobucket and now it is broken or no more. I have to upload my pics directly or from the other site linked above. I have been busy working while finalizing my speaker arrangement.

Once I get everything finished I can take pics and graphs. The TLAH probably won't be in my theater but I like them! I like them better than the Berries and others I have owned but I really like the silk domes I am using now. I am trying a couple different silk dome/woofer combos and decide which I will keep for my front stage.

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Yes, of course! I love the sound of the silk domes but I won't compromise dynamics for HT. The CD/horn combos were for that big dynamic theater sound but I always liked domes for music but they lacked for HT. An array of them solves this for me and comb filtering is not audible to me so it is perfect. The speakers I made copy the SLA design as in 6 tweeters and 4 woofs but I am starting to modify by using different amounts and types. I am messing around a bit, I will have 5 different designs to compare and decide. The TLAH and my design both have a more detailed sound than the Berries did, you can hear everything more clearly. They are smoother sounding as well. The center channel fills my screen rather than a spot in the center. The big JBL cinemas did this the best but they were as big as the screen! Remember my room is small so I can get away with smaller speakers as well. These have a bigger sound than one would think. I am trying some bigger woofers too but will keep whatever sounds bigger and better.
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My favs at Axpona were the Scaena line arrays! The PE cbt24 was also great. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
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are you using the center array horizontally?


Im a little confused. You are doing two types of array speakers? TLAH AND SLA?


whats the difference?

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I have the ceiling speakers angled so they have their horizontal dispersion aiming at the seats. It sounds fantastic. I am using a SLA with my own drivers and crossover for now. The TLAH are the 4 surrounds for now. I am testing a different tweeter with my 4 inch woofers and also testing a dual 8 inch woofer with the new tweets.
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NVM I found out the difference

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Those are from Bill Fitzmaurice(BFM) which means Short line array and Transmission line array horn? His are plans that use certain drivers, crossovers, and cabinet specs. I am building different short line arrays with different build spec, drivers, crossovers, etc. The only thing in common for my front three right now is the amount of drivers. I am playing with different designs right now and just keeping what I think sounds best in my room.

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Those are from Bill Fitzmaurice(BFM) which means Short line array and Transmission line array horn? His are plans that use certain drivers, crossovers, and cabinet specs. I am building different short line arrays with different build spec, drivers, crossovers, etc. The only thing in common for my front three right now is the amount of drivers. I am playing with different designs right now and just keeping what I think sounds best in my room.
Have you considered using ribbons instead of soft dome tweeters? I love line arrays with soft domes, but ribbons will give you all that and more, imho. You don't have to get ubber expensive ribbons such as the RAAL. Although I would bet that the Fountek NeoCD 3.0 would be killer, but at $100 each that might get expensive. They have a NeoCD1.0 in the $60 range that would also be great. I would also look into the possibility of using their NeoCD3.5 horn loaded ribbon. I don't know anything about the NeoCD3.5, but I bet that it is great. Might be a cheaper competitor to the TPL-150. No where close on price to the TPL, but I have never heard a Fountek ribbon that I didn't like.
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The center channel fills my screen rather than a spot in the center. The big JBL cinemas did this the best but they were as big as the screen! Remember my room is small so I can get away with smaller speakers as well. These have a bigger sound than one would think. I am trying some bigger woofers too but will keep whatever sounds bigger and better.
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The constant directivity capability of the CBT 100LA can be seen as compared to a large JBL BiRadial horn with even smoother and more consistent pattern control. The vertical pattern control of the CBT 100LA is nearly identical to the large cinema horn from the cinema industry standard JBL 4675.
If the CBT70J sound as big as that legendary 4675, I can see them replacing my 3677 as fronts.
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The point of an array is that you don't need expensive parts as the whole can take the power and have less distortion where one of them would be worthless. Those expensive ribbons really don't need an array as one can get it done, at least some.
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The point of an array is that you don't need expensive parts as the whole can take the power and have less distortion where one of them would be worthless. Those expensive ribbons really don't need an array as one can get it done, at least some.
I wouldn't say "the point" of an array speaker system is that you don't need expensive parts...

...but it certainly is a benefit of an array speaker system.
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Sorry, you are right. I am thinking my point. I know an array of nice ribbons would be killer but for my purposes the silk domes from peerless are great. I am using those with 8 inch mid ranges from faital pro. I am sealing them up. My center will have 9 1 inch tweets, with dual 8s. The 8s are 95 dB sensitive each. The tweets are 91. I have not decided where to crossover yet but I have to measure first. I know for reference levels in my small room 4 tweets play clean and smooth. I will probably have 4 tweets in the fronts at first and if the center is that much better I will add to the others. I will take pics soon. I am on a mini vacation right now and first heard the dual 8s today before I left. I like them better than the 4 4s I used from eminence. They also used peerless tweets but 6 3/4 inch. They are very nice and will become my surrounds and ceilings. All these are only 5 inches deep and the eminence are full range up to 12khz and work great as atmos in an array without tweets and in birch ply wood super light and dynamic for an atmos speaker.
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I will take pics of the new speakers as well. I have tried 7 different designs for speakers, and there is a reason DIYSG uses the eminence drivers. My front stage will consist of dual delta 10s with 9 soft dome tweeters. My surrounds will be 4 eminence alph4s with 6 of the soft domes and ceilings are just the alphas which are good to 12khz. I may move the dual 8s I have to surrounds and place the surrounds on the ceilings.

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Subs response at LP with no EQ, I changed the weighting to c which gives me my 5hz back.


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there is a reason DIYSG uses the eminence drivers. My front stage will consist of dual delta 10s with 9 soft dome tweeters.
Those 10's are really something.
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Yes, even the betas are awesome. The betas are better than the faital pro 8s I am using right now.
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Here are the two dual 8 designs, I prefer the smaller tweets on measurements.


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that response above is what the port ended being in room. My mic is down 12-13 dB at 5hz so it should read 92-93 dB at 5hz. The cal files stop at 10hz with a -7 dB correction.
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Hey guys, does anyone know the differences in sound between the eminence beta 10, delta 10, and deltalite 2510?
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