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Sealed SI HS24V2 VNF Build

I have a six other cabs that have just been finished, not to mention a full set of kitchen cabs and a 4x10ft Island, all hand built. I've inhaled so much wood the last three and a half months I'm sure I have the black lung. So what's one more box, right.

I made lots of changes to the room in anticipation of new seating. I was heavily persuaded to remove the carpet and riser, yes the new carpet that was never even fully installed, and replace with hardwood to keep continuity with the rest of the home. Not a big deal as far as the riser goes, it was always just about testing. The carpeting will however be binded and used as an area rug in the room. I really wish I would have had a chance to measure and get some data with this sub on the riser with the old seating. From most of the posts I've read here over the years, everyone seems to prefer cheap seating for TR over premium seating. Anyway, the final solution is 6x18's under the screen, then the 24 Very nearfield and a second 24 if needed. That's as far as it goes in this room. No more.

Current status today is that the driver has been built and tested per Nick's email. Had a a lengthy but great phone call as well that got me fired up. So looking forward to this. This is the first time I've posted a build with nothing started. Probably looking at 2-3 weeks before it's cab'd and in service. You can see the new V2 driver at SI's website, and I do mean my driver. Nick said mines the "poster child". That's pretty cool. What I do have as far as pics is the driver from the embryonic stages through completion. It's a start.










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Hell ya brother!!!! Nearfield 24 or 24's .
Your going to get some serious shake and sound behind your seats. Can't wait to see how this turns out.
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Believe me, single 24 VNF already gain you plenty of TR

what size of cabinet you are planning to build?

so your new room floor is floated? you no longer need riser? that would lose significant TR if on concrete floor

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Believe me, single 24 VNF already gain you plenty of TR

what size of cabinet you are planning to build?

so your new room floor is floated? you no longer need riser? that would lose significant TR if on concrete floor
I reread your thread today. Can't believe it's been over two years.

Nick suggested 9cuft with the V2. I'm fitting it the space which puts it at about 10-11 cubes, probably a 28" or 30" cube.

Yes, solid stranded bamboo nailed to .75 inch OSB which is anchored to concrete. Even with the OSB nailed down I tested significant Tactile energy, even more than what I got standing on the riser. Of course the riser is buffered with carpet and pad. So even though it's wood floor over subfloor over concrete slab(and we know how level slabs are), its basically floating with little overall contact. They both are excitated about a hundred times more than concrete. Not what I was expecting but that's why I built and tested the different platforms. It's also a better base for the MA's. There's also more distance and better angles with my top speakers.
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This is very good. Very good indeed.
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I reread your thread today. Can't believe it's been over two years.

Nick suggested 9cuft with the V2. I'm fitting it the space which puts it at about 10-11 cubes, probably a 28" or 30" cube.

Yes, solid stranded bamboo nailed to .75 inch OSB which is anchored to concrete. Even with the OSB nailed down I tested significant Tactile energy, even more than what I got standing on the riser. Of course the riser is buffered with carpet and pad. So even though it's wood floor over subfloor over concrete slab(and we know how level slabs are), its basically floating with little overall contact. They both are excitated about a hundred times more than concrete. Not what I was expecting but that's why I built and tested the different platforms. It's also a better base for the MA's. There's also more distance and better angles with my top speakers.
This is very encouraging. I floated 1" of ply (two layers of 1/2" glued and stapled opposite alignment) over 1" of blue foam. Completely floated no attachment to the slab. Still in slow construction mode but need to drag a sub down and see how it is.

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This is very encouraging. I floated 1" of ply (two layers of 1/2" glued and stapled opposite alignment) over 1" of blue foam. Completely floated no attachment to the slab. Still in slow construction mode but need to drag a sub down and see how it is.

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Yep. I've never measured a suspended floor but it's as good as a riser. At first I was focused on the decoupling of the riser as the reason for tactile gains. In actuality, it far more difficult to couple concrete to a subfloor. So even with mine nailed it feels like the riser.
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Yep. I've never measured a suspended floor but it's as good as a riser. At first I was focused on the decoupling of the riser as the reason for tactile gains. In actuality, it far more difficult to couple concrete to a subfloor. So even with mine nailed it feels like the riser.
That's awesome, I'll get a sub down this weekend and report back

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Nice! We are really liking the looks and the performance of the new mkII motors on the 24's...but we don't like the weight though. Sure it's "only" an extra 15 lbs compared to the previous version but that puts the shipping weight up to a cool 142 lbs per HS-24 mkII. Ouch!
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Some more useful info passed on as I eagerly wait in anticipation. I remember it was commented on in the first version of the need for a large box due to the motor to cone size ratio. Databass testing showed it really needed 15+ and I heard it was well north of that to reach .707. Now, with the much stronger motor we're talking less than 9cuft. When you have a cab that the size of 4, 6 even 8 18's, thats a problem. When that driver now only needs a cab the size 2x18's needs, thats a very big deal, to me, to a lot of us. Theres way more rooms under 3000 cuft than above, and having a cab reach .707 with under 9 cubes or about a 27-28" cube give or take allows for a lot of placement flexibility. Then theres the fact that output is on the plus side of 4xHT18d2's, even with the old motor. That "extra 15lbs" is well worth it!
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At the risk of being dense, is this the third iteration of the hs24? Because there was the old version 1 that I have, then there was a newer one, now there is a mkii? Might be confusing calling this mkii if all that is the case. The woofer sounds awesome though.

Are you planning to run an LT with this? I've got a minidsp inbound so I can rework my LT to allow separate eq for the different woofers.

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Man this driver from what your explaining is well worth it and like your saying placement options now opens the door up to a lot of other guys.
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At the risk of being dense, is this the third iteration of the hs24? Because there was the old version 1 that I have, then there was a newer one, now there is a mkii? Might be confusing calling this mkii if all that is the case. The woofer sounds awesome though.

Are you planning to run an LT with this? I've got a minidsp inbound so I can rework my LT to allow separate eq for the different woofers.

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It's the second, I believe. This has been out awhile but pics just getting put up.

Yes on the LT via a LS. With the size of my room and placement I have one big broad peak at 40hz. Once that's cut and smoothed I'm pretty much flat with just 2-3db here and there to get me flat into the single digits. The minidsp is a necessity with multiple subs or arrays.
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It's the second, I believe. This has been out awhile but pics just getting put up.

Yes on the LT via a LS. With the size of my room and placement I have one big broad peak at 40hz. Once that's cut and smoothed I'm pretty much flat with just 2-3db here and there to get me flat into the single digits. The minidsp is a necessity with multiple subs or arrays.
Correct, this is the second version so it is called the mkII. Pictures of the original driver have been up for a while now but we just now took pictures of an HS-24 with the new mkII motor and uploaded them to our web page.

@coolrda we are working on getting the crate made to handle your 24's shipping journey. We will be in touch shortly. My apologies for the delay.
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Correct, this is the second version so it is called the mkII. Pictures of the original driver have been up for a while now but we just now took pictures of an HS-24 with the new mkII motor and uploaded them to our web page.

@coolrda we are working on getting the crate made to handle your 24's shipping journey. We will be in touch shortly. My apologies for the delay.
At just under 150lbs., do you ship these ground or frieght?

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At just under 150lbs., do you ship these ground or frieght?
It depends on how many drivers are being shipped to one location. We ship both Ground and Freight.
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It depends on how many drivers are being shipped to one location. We ship both Ground and Freight.
I was checking out the 10hz numbers on DB with the original driver comes in at a distortion limited 98db. If disregard that, max is over 102db. Will the new motor help lower distortion there?
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At just under 150lbs., do you ship these ground or frieght?
FedEx has 150lb limit. Nicks using balsa wood for the crate.
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I was checking out the 10hz numbers on DB with the original driver comes in at a distortion limited 98db. If disregard that, max is over 102db. Will the new motor help lower distortion there?
Yes the new motor helps lower distortion with its higher linear stroke and improved Le performance. The new mkII motor is significantly stronger than the first version which is what helps it require a 10 ft^3 sealed enclosure compared to over 30 ft^3 sealed to reach a 0.707 alignment.
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FedEx has 150lb limit. Nicks using balsa wood for the crate.
Thats why I rounded to 150lbs. It's our limit as well over here at UPS.
Was hoping he would have included how he shipped yours, a single. Didn't know if a closer location was cheaper freight or anything like that. Just was curious, that's all

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Thats why I rounded to 150lbs. It's our limit as well over here at UPS.
Was hoping he would have included how he shipped yours, a single. Didn't know if a closer location was cheaper freight or anything like that. Just was curious, that's all
FedEx has already given me all the excuses possible and I'm almost a week out from delivery. I've had a terrible time lately with freight deliveries taking a week to get from China to LA then 2-3 weeks to get the last 90 miles. Then watch it bounce around to 4 different wharehouses in LA. I especially like the out for delivery 3 days in a row, in LA. Both times I had to help unload because the single driver couldn't get it. I get that it's their job but 2800lbs on a 4x8ft pallet is a bit much for the hand forklift. I feel better now. Looking forward to next Friday. .
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FedEx has already given me all the excuses possible and I'm almost a week out from delivery. I've had a terrible time lately with freight deliveries taking a week to get from China to LA then 2-3 weeks to get the last 90 miles. Then watch it bounce around to 4 different wharehouses in LA. I especially like the out for delivery 3 days in a row, in LA. Both times I had to help unload because the single driver couldn't get it. I get that it's their job but 2800lbs on a 4x8ft pallet is a bit much for the hand forklift. I feel better now. Looking forward to next Friday. .
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Me too! I will. I know Nick builds a pretty robust crate to mount these in for shipping so I don't worry to much about damage.

I looked over the room gain article on DB and found that the Funk 18 was tested in [email protected] as well as the typical [email protected] measurement. This is the first I've seen of this type of comparison, using accurate numbers and what I'd like to see incorporated into the Second version of the ULF Scorecard. I really haven't found much data like this online. What I have seen is simulated vs in room or winisd compared to MLP measurements taken with OM/REW. Actually most of those are FR only comparing and not a max db/thd number. As I've mentioned, I've tested four of my rooms, all sealed rooms with sealed subs and they all measured the same room gain.





You can see RG kick in about 25hz. Comparing The outdoor measurement we have a 12db roll from 20hz to 10hz, how a sealed sub should perform. Looking at the in room measurement, there's a perfect 12db of RG. The second thing shown is how well a room can damp distortion. Basically, the sealed room is a passive LT without the huge demands this can put on a systems electrical components. Rooms can be a very good thing. I'm interested to see how vented subs react in this same room/environment and if a small sub/huge room has the same RG.
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