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post #181 of 200 Old 04-29-2018, 05:58 PM
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i recently got the 3.1 set and when putting the crossovers together i noticed that the midrange +/- to the speaker have continuity on both crossovers. tweeter and woofer do not.
is this normal? it seems to play fine when i hook the speakers up to it and sound amazing.. just thought it was strange.
The 3.1 has an inductor in parallel with the midrange output (it's part of a 2nd order high pass filter) which will read as having continuity or as being shorted with a regular multi meter across the midrange output with a DC signal but this is not the case with an AC audio signal at higher frequencies where the circuit will be operating.
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The 3.1 has an inductor in parallel with the midrange output (it's part of a 2nd order high pass filter) which will read as having continuity or as being shorted with a regular multi meter across the midrange output with a DC signal but this is not the case with an AC audio signal at higher frequencies where the circuit will be operating.
much appreciated.

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much appreciated.

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Look sweet. Might have made them more directional from my first impression.
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much appreciated.

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Awesome work.

I finally bought a new setup (Yamaha AVR pre out to Crown XLI 1500) to power my 2.2a's and I'm more impressed. YPAO really helps with the upper end, taking both tweeters down 4db's at 8K. I know I'll eventually upgrade, but it will cost a lot more than what these Swans cost me. My Volt 10LX's are not this good for music, but I'll run them through this setup as well just to verify. That's not meant to be a swipe at the Volt's either, since the Volts are superior in the theater as they were designed to be.



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I wish I could get my pair up to you to try to compare.
I think they sound very good.

You should build a pair
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I wish I could get my pair up to you to try to compare.
I think they sound very good.

You should build a pair
It would be my first build. I'm certainly not opposed!!
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Hi all,
I am searching for some budget stereo speakers for my tpa3116 D class amp,
do you know if there is possibility to by 2.2a in Europe ? I might also consider shipment if there is such a option without taxes.
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These are some awesome speakers.
The overall sound from these bested a pair of Sonus faber Venere 1.5 speakers.

The Sf seemed to have a little more definition in the top end but definitely was weak in the low to mid frequencies.

A properly integrated sub might tip the scale in their “fabor” but these are $1200 MSRP speakers vs a $150-200 DIY kit.

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Couldn’t agree more, your time costs nothing and as long as you are remotely handy with a solder iron and woodwork you will get something that can best mainstream stuff costing many multiples more. My IPL Acoustic transmission lines cost me about £460 and IMO are way better than a friends Monitor Audio Gold 200s costing five times more.

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The 3.1s are being sold as "near field speakers" on amazon. How well do they work as the front channels of a home theater, compared to something like the svs ultra bookshelves?

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These are being sold as "near field monitors" on amazon. How well do they work as the front channels of a home theater, compared to something like the svs ultra bookshelves?
The Amazon Listing is not correct, neither the DIY 2.2A or 3.1 are near field monitors. Conceptually they are similar to the SVS Ultras. That is, they are designed for use as a stereo pair, or as part of a home theater system. The rear ports on both HiVi speakers mean they will perform best away from a wall, and on stands.

I have not heard the SVS Ultras, but in looking at the specifications they seem quite similar in design to the DIY 2.2A. That is, both are very high quality 2 way designs using 6.5" woofers and dome tweeters. They are about the same dimensions (the internal volume is about the same), and the 2.2A weigh slightly more. Of course, the HiVis are not assembled and you will have to do it yourself if you want them to look anywhere near as nice as the beautiful gloss finish the SVS Ultras have.

However, I would bet they are in the same general ball park in sound quality. That is, my 2.2As are replacing a pair of ACI Sapphire XL 2 way monitors, which when they were available retailed for more than the SVS Ultras. I think the Sapphires were slightly better...but it is close. I am sure others will disagree with my subjective opinion...but to answer your question, they are not near field monitors.

You can get more specs and information from the HiVi US site: http://www.hivi.us/products/index.as...ssid=100019001
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The 3.1s are being sold as "near field speakers" on amazon. How well do they work as the front channels of a home theater, compared to something like the svs ultra bookshelves?

Yeh, most definitely they are -not- nearfield monitors. They are not designed for desktop use, but excel in mid field listening positions. I had the 2 way in 8 ft apart, with me sitting 8 ft away from each other, and they sounded excellent. I bet the 3.1 will sound great as L/R in your HT setup.
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The 3.1s are being sold as "near field speakers" on amazon. How well do they work as the front channels of a home theater, compared to something like the svs ultra bookshelves?
i don't know much about the svs ultra speakers, but i put together the HIVI 3.1 set and they are amazing as my front L/R in my HT. i also purchased the set again and made a center channel that i had to redesign from the ground up but wanted the same components across the board. sounds f'n fantastic.

i wouldn't hesitate in recommending these speakers in a home theater setup.

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I just came across a
($2600 pr.) and I am struck by how similar they are to my DIY 2.2s.

It looks to me like some rather simple modifications to the 2.2s could make it a near clone.

If you look at the specifications and scroll through the video.
The cabinet volume and total weight are near identical. Both use center braced mitered cabinets. The Totem cabinets are lock mitered, the DIY are not, but the front baffle on the DIY is mitered, the Totem is not.

Both seem to use variants of the same HiVi D6.8 woofer, and reading through the history of the Totem Forest appears to confirm that it uses an ATI / HiVi woofer. They look identical externally and available specs are the same, but I expect there could be differences.

The tweeters are totally different, the Totem using an undoubtedly superior SEAS Aluminum/Titanium dome vs the HiVi soft dome. There are images of the crossover components in the video.

Of course the finish on the Totem is gorgeous. But I think it would be relatively simple to upgrade the tweeter and cross-over components in the 2.2 to make something quite similar.
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Hivi drivers are at least cosmetically speaking clones of Dynaudio which is what totem uses. I’ve heard some totem speakers and they are fantastic.

What is really like is to build and listen to the 3 way hivi kit with the modified crossover.


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Hivi drivers are at least cosmetically speaking clones of Dynaudio which is what totem uses......
I am quite sure you are mistaken on this. The Totem Forest, and Signature One (which uses the same woofer as the Forest) use HiVi woofers.

See this Stereophile Review of the Forest references their use of ATI woofers. HiVi purchased ATI.

And, the above linked video shows the Signature One Woofer from the rear at 1:03. This is clearly a HiVi. Even the Serial Number and RoHS labels are the same. It certainly could be a proprietary version made by HiVi, and not identical to the DIY 2.2.

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Well ... the reviews i had read some time back mentioned that they used dynaudio drivers, especially the mani-2, which to me were the best sounding bookshelf speakers at the time.
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Well ... the reviews i had read some time back mentioned that they used dynaudio drivers, especially the mani-2, which to me were the best sounding bookshelf speakers at the time.
Your right, the mani-2 used Dynaudio. I think the original Forest did too. They switched to ATI on the Forest around the time of the Stereophile review. The above video interested me because it shows not only the woofer, but the cabinet design, and a closeup of the crossover. Those more knowledgeable about crossover components may be able to recognize the brands used. Because the cabinets are so similar in volume. I would be interested in a 2.2 mod that would more closely mimic the Signature One.
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Swans Kits posted a really excellent video series on YouTube in February that introduces these kits and provides much improved step by step video instructions on how to build them...without needing clamps of any kind.

The series is lead by Frank Hale who was the founder of the original Swans speakers in the U.S. He does an exceptional job not only of providing build instructions, but also in proving the exceptional value they represent.

Its GREAT! Thank you to Brian Wallace who just reviewed the 2.2 kit on Amazon and referenced this YouTube series that I had not heard of before. Hale seems to be a great spokesperson for demonstrating the pleasures of building your own speakers. Brian's review is excellent as well.
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