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Well, tell us more, more pics, details, details ??
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Do you have a build thread or anything for it? I looked but didn’t see....


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No build thread yet. My bro did most of the build(like 90%)since our schedules don't line up often, and he has pics and was going to post it but unfortunately our mum got sick and we haven't had the time. Basics are the cabs are 12x28x55 which gives 1cuft per driver and it's being driven by a Bossobass FP9K and SEQSS eq in the mix for now just until I see if they need more power which is definitely possible. If they do it'll either be a FP14K or Speakerpower SP2-8000-HT.

I have a HTPC and @Shreds told me I should try out JRiver which I will but like I said until our mum feels better it might b awhile. I still need to get REW up and running first and see what I get with them and then of course the Raptors and them combined.

I haven't watched anything on em yet just some clips and it's pretty insane and I barely get them moving. I will say it's very strange to see the drivers barely move at all and yet you feel it so much. It was definitely what I wanted to accomplish.
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No build thread yet. My bro did most of the build(like 90%)since our schedules don't line up often, and he has pics and was going to post it but unfortunately our mum got sick and we haven't had the time. Basics are the cabs are 12x28x55 which gives 1cuft per driver and it's being driven by a Bossobass FP9K and SEQSS eq in the mix for now just until I see if they need more power which is definitely possible. If they do it'll either be a FP14K or Speakerpower SP2-8000-HT.



I have a HTPC and @Shreds told me I should try out JRiver which I will but like I said until our mum feels better it might b awhile. I still need to get REW up and running first and see what I get with them and then of course the Raptors and them combined.



I haven't watched anything on em yet just some clips and it's pretty insane and I barely get them moving. I will say it's very strange to see the drivers barely move at all and yet you feel it so much. It was definitely what I wanted to accomplish.

Gotcha. If you get a minute or two I’d love some pics in general, even if they have no context.

Looks awesome!

And is it 16 drivers or 8?


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16. 8 per cab. I'll get some better pics tomorrow with better lighting.
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Rock on! I’m jealous lol. If I could do that it would make things much much easier heheheh...


Also with 16 and 1cf per cab while more wattage would help, it’s not likely needed given proximity to the drivers.

With 9k your at about 108 db @ 10hz and moving to 14k moves you to 110, so not a huge difference.... 108 is loud enough lol....

at 50hz your near 140db with what you have lol...

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Awsome, and i see the Raptors in the background there. Really didn’t think any more was necessery than them, but still awsome. Would love some more pics too, and REW would be nice. With the signal shaper you should be able to make any curve you want.

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... (.67 ft^3 net) ...
Since that's only 2/3rds of JBL's recommended 1.0 ft^3 for an in-car sealed box I'd expect some loss in the lowest octave and some gain in the mid-bass, throwing bass balance off. A smaller box like that would require DSP to extend the bottom end and bring the mid-bass back into balance.
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Rock on! I’m jealous lol. If I could do that it would make things much much easier heheheh...


Also with 16 and 1cf per cab while more wattage would help, it’s not likely needed given proximity to the drivers.

With 9k your at about 108 db @ 10hz and moving to 14k moves you to 110, so not a huge difference.... 108 is loud enough lol....

at 50hz your near 140db with what you have lol...

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Yah that's pretty much what I figured. Other than below say 25hz I doubt I'll ever reach their max. It's just asinine when they even start to move. I'm pretty scared to see what it'd be like turned up all the way. @More is Better (idk if he's still on the forum) inspired me to do this when I read his thread awhile ago and had always thought of doing something with multiple cheap drivers like that and preferably with the Infinity's or JBL's. But until this thread, thanks @rr14 !, the drivers weren't worth the money they normally are priced at.

I'll say though that More is Better is crazy haha. Granted he had them 1ft away iirc, but still he had them at max and said he still didn't tap out. The great thing about these are no matter where you sit it is absolutely brutal. I'm gonna watch my first movie on them with my bro and mum Saturday but I'll prolly run them flat since that's all you need with these.

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Awsome, and i see the Raptors in the background there. Really didn’t think any more was necessery than them, but still awsome. Would love some more pics too, and REW would be nice. With the signal shaper you should be able to make any curve you want.
Oh the Raptors need no help.

Unfortunately my HT is in the basement, which while it has many benefits, the biggest obstacle as all the fellow basement dwellers know all to well is ULF feel on a slab. The Raptors actually shake the ever loving **** outta me but at the point they do, i.e. running 10db hot or more, the upstairs sounds like it's gonna collapse. We made plans to move several times and then decided not to and we still can't say for sure we will or won't. So until then since I spend 80% of my time in my HT playing games I did a near-field sub to feel the bass without cranking it. One day my Raptors will have a floating floor to ripple but until then it's near field so my wife doesn't stab me in my sleep......seriously she would if I had the Raptors on all the time.
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Since that's only 2/3rds of JBL's recommended 1.0 ft^3 for an in-car sealed box I'd expect some loss in the lowest octave and some gain in the mid-bass, throwing bass balance off. A smaller box like that would require DSP to extend the bottom end and bring the mid-bass back into balance.
Yup the smaller the box the worse your Qtc is. Your low end drops off at a higher rate then 12db/octave which isn't desirable of course. With eq of course you can correct that, and I will, but if possible a larger box for a sealed sub is best. I just don't have the depth in my room to do it or else I would've given my 12's 2cuft per driver. My bro and I did test them at first with just 8 in the same cabs so they had the ideal 2cuft per driver and even that was pretty potent but for $30 each I figured why not. We ARE bassheads right?
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Oh the Raptors need no help.

Unfortunately my HT is in the basement, which while it has many benefits, the biggest obstacle as all the fellow basement dwellers know all to well is ULF feel on a slab. The Raptors actually shake the ever loving **** outta me but at the point they do, i.e. running 10db hot or more, the upstairs sounds like it's gonna collapse. We made plans to move several times and then decided not to and we still can't say for sure we will or won't. So until then since I spend 80% of my time in my HT playing games I did a near-field sub to feel the bass without cranking it. One day my Raptors will have a floating floor to ripple but until then it's near field so my wife doesn't stab me in my sleep......seriously she would if I had the Raptors on all the time.
I understand, and that’s the same reason i am looking into nearfield. I tried the PSA S3000i earlier placed drivers facing left/right behind the couch, but even if the PSA has 2x15 inch dual opposed sealed design, the drivers do not fire into the couch. This is much better now with just 4X12 firing into the couch. My farfield SI18HT is not comparable to the JBL’s, kind of like you say with the Raptors, which my SI18 sonos is a copy of, they dwarf the JBL’s espesially in the low range, but the JBL’s have way more TR mounted nearfield. And i am on suspended wood floors.

Have you considered mounting the coach on a riser?

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Yup the smaller the box the worse your Qtc is. Your low end drops off at a higher rate then 12db/octave which isn't desirable of course. With eq of course you can correct that, and I will, but if possible a larger box for a sealed sub is best. I just don't have the depth in my room to do it or else I would've given my 12's 2cuft per driver. My bro and I did test them at first with just 8 in the same cabs so they had the ideal 2cuft per driver and even that was pretty potent but for $30 each I figured why not. We ARE bassheads right?
That is pretty much what i asked about earlier, thanks for confirming.

I have 4x12 now, and they work so well i WAS considering 4 more for a total of 8.... but now, after seeing this.......

We are indeed bassheads....

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Here's my first eight. Should have all 16 up and running by the weekend.
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Here's my first eight. Should have all 16 up and running by the weekend.
Holy moly, this thread is really picking up speed now!

Looks like a awsome build, do you have more info, pics, box size....

I guess i can contribute my little collection

I have 4 CS1214 so far. Two in this 2x1.3 ft3 enclosure.



And two in these 1.5 ft3 enclosures. They are all four now behind the couch. And a Behringer B1200D for MBM duty. As of now i am running these 4 of one channel on a NU6K (and my Crowson MA’s on the other channel), and have a MINIDSP Bal. to tune them.

PS: these enclosures are just for testing, and i will build new ones when testing is done.



I am not done tuning it all yet, learning something every day, but this is a REW session from a couple days ago.




It would be cool if all of you building these would put up pics and more info about your builds. It is indeed inspiring

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I understand, and that’s the same reason i am looking into nearfield. I tried the PSA S3000i earlier placed drivers facing left/right behind the couch, but even if the PSA has 2x15 inch dual opposed sealed design, the drivers do not fire into the couch. This is much better now with just 4X12 firing into the couch. My farfield SI18HT is not comparable to the JBL’s, kind of like you say with the Raptors, which my SI18 sonos is a copy of, they dwarf the JBL’s espesially in the low range, but the JBL’s have way more TR mounted nearfield. And i am on suspended wood floors.

Have you considered mounting the coach on a riser?



That is pretty much what i asked about earlier, thanks for confirming.

I have 4x12 now, and they work so well i WAS considering 4 more for a total of 8.... but now, after seeing this.......

We are indeed bassheads....
No height for a riser. One of the reasons why I'd love to move. That and a floating floor in a basement. I'm surprised you need near-field though with suspended floors. Not saying it doesn't help but between the waves of bass hitting you and the floor I'd imagine you'd have plenty of shake.

Yah dual-opposed if not firing into the couch doesn't add much. Even if it did you'd still only have one driver. I tried it with the Raptors. I'd say 8 12's in a front firing cab is more than enough but they were just so damn cheap.

edit:Haha a lot more guys with 16 then I thought. Now I need to get another 16...
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No height for a riser. One of the reasons why I'd love to move. That and a floating floor in a basement. I'm surprised you need near-field though with suspended floors. Not saying it doesn't help but between the waves of bass hitting you and the floor I'd imagine you'd have plenty of shake.

Yah dual-opposed if not firing into the couch doesn't add much. Even if it did you'd still only have one driver. I tried it with the Raptors. I'd say 8 12's in a front firing cab is more than enough but they were just so damn cheap.

edit:Haha a lot more guys with 16 then I thought. Now I need to get another 16...
I seem to remember several guys making a riser out of just a 5/8 plywood sheet with buttkicker rubber mounts under, with the couch on top. Over in the ”Ultimate bass list thread”. Shouldn’t be higher than 2 inch or so.

Hey, i have 4 Crowsons too, and still the 4 JBL’s is contributing very well


BTW, the Crowson’s might be an alternative for you too

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If I haven't posted it here already, here is where my next 4 subs will be going....... the remaining 4 will be built into DO Sonotube subs like @Nalleh that will go up front on the inside or outside of my mains.

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edit:Haha a lot more guys with 16 then I thought. Now I need to get another 16...
I think the list is smaller than you might think lol..... Most guys tend to go with a few BIG DRIVERS over a lot of little ones. For me the biggest selling point was the SIM of 4 of these providing the same output as a UM18, but in a package that had more configuration dimension wise due to the smaller depth & height of the drivers. And like you, the price was the largest determining factor in how many I bought. At 27 bucks a pop it was very hard to pass up. I wish I'd bought all 16 at the same time as I paid a bit more for the last few than the first 12, but still well under their current list price.

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Yes.. per my sim's 4 of these perform the same as a single Ultimax 18 from about 40hz down, above that they perform BETTER than a Ultimax.

And when I bought them (27 per driver) for a cost of 120 you could get similar performance to a Ultimax UM18 (325 dollars)

Thats a price to performance ratio for sure!
Would it be the same against my SI18HT v2 DVC 2x2ohm’s ?

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Would it be the same against my SI18HT v2 DVC 2x2ohm’s ?
I haven't owned either, but read a lot on both, with that said having both in the same size box with the same power, they are very similar. The edge would most likely go to the Ultimax, especially if you have more power on tap.

I had thought about both before I went with the JBL's. Performance to cost ratio on them in going with multiples seems very hard to beat based on my research.

Someone with real world experience may be able to give you a more definitive answer.
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Would it be the same against my SI18HT v2 DVC 2x2ohm’s ?
Probably. I think the SI HT18 and UM18 are fairly close simulation wise...... I will throw some stuff together tonight and post for you. Keep in mind that would mean you'd need 16 of them to equal your 2 DO Sonotubes lol.... If thats where your headed..... So my 16 12's will equal 4 18's, assuming both in the same cf, however the 12's have a bit more top end than a 18, but the low end is about identical.

For me, I'm going with 12's because my wife saw my buddy's SVS PC-12 NSD subs and liked the form factor and told me I could build 3 of them (in addition to the nearfield sub). I was going to go ported with the Infinity 1260's but finding more was difficult at a price I could stomach.

Then the sale popped up, and I could keep the form factor the same (16" Sonotube) but instead of buying ports, just buy another driver and go sealed. Performance of the CS1214 and 1260/1262 in sealed was identical. Ported was a different story. Price was about the same for a second driver v ports, and it removed the issue of port velocity/highpass limiting ULF, and also any integration/phase issues due to running a nearfield sealed sub.

The rear sub being moved from Sonotube to the Organ Donor was because the form factor fit better along that back wall and it will function as furniture. The fact it will hold 4 subs instead of 2 was just coincident (or was it..... )

If I was able to go with 4 18's I'd do that as well, my wife just doesnt like how they look, no matter how you dress it up. More smaller drivers doenst seem to bother her as much, and gives me more placement options for nulls than I'd have otherwise..... hence my compromise.

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Thanks guys, that was what i thought too.

Well, i was thinking about 1 or 2 18’s as nearfield, but nothing good showed up. Wasn’t even considering measly 12’s either, until i noticed the price and how deep they can go, considering the size.

And your thread really got me going, Ender, LOL. Then i found a shop in Norway that sold them somewhat cheap, compared to your prices.

And then i found more in Sweden for half of that again(the GTX1200). I am now ordering 8 more. That’s it......


(So that would equal 3X18. Should be nice.......)


BTW: anybody else having problem getting Inuke 6000DSP ??
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Could I have a link to that, please?
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Here ya go... keep in mind he's using 18's, I'm using 12's lol.... he wins
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Expected back in stock 7/6
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https://www.parts-express.com/behrin...-dsp--248-6710
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He's overseas, so might be hard to justify the PE cost w shipping v a local vendor (online or otherwise)..... and they each likely have different distribution chains they use to get them

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Until someone uses 24s.

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Until someone uses 24s.

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True, but I'll still be using 12's so they both still win. Although a DO sealed sonotube using 24's would require a LOT of height to even be somewhat effective, not to mention a TON OF POWER, so much its likely just not worth it...

I'd still love to see it lol....

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Yeah, would you believe they are quite a bit cheaper here in Norway?

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True, but I'll still be using 12's so they both still win. Although a DO sealed sonotube using 24's would require a LOT of height to even be somewhat effective, not to mention a TON OF POWER, so much its likely just not worth it...

I'd still love to see it lol....
The SHS24 is from 3ft3 sealed and up.

I believe if you used a sonotube like mine with 23.5“ ID, you could (just about)mount 2x 12 in each end for a total of 4. Granted these sonotubes are FAT, but still not much floor space.

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True, however at 24" in diameter they might be wide enough for my wife to stuff my body in after I brought it in the door..... so I'm sticking with 16" DO 12" subs lol....

And the JBL's are 12.25" in diameter so a 24" tube would have some overhang and probably not work.....
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Here are two graphs for you. I did one which is a more accurate picture, which is all three drivers driven to their rated XMAX. I then did a straight compare of 1k for each driver.

I choose 4cf boxes as that the standard flatpack lots of folks used. Obviously things change with larger boxes, but it gives you a good idea of the top end difference.

With the same box size and wattage, there is a bit of a difference down low, but no one really does that, they max out the driver, and with more power the CS1214 gains more low end.

I should note that the 4 CS1214 can handle up to 3k to get to 15mm XMax. I stopped at 2100 (which only gets you to 12.5mm) as thats the most my Crown can provide lol... At 3k, the JBL's overtake the low end of the SI HT18 and UM18, but I forget what their real world XMax is, and if I'm using that, or their rated one....
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