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post #2101 of 2340 Old 05-14-2019, 11:21 AM
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thanks redfive and gents i will give it a shot
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I think I've seen it somewhere, maybe in this thread or maybe elsewhere, but has anyone done a riser with these drivers integrated?

I'm thinking about helping my brother build one with 4 drivers up-firing under the seating and ported... it seems ~14 cuft and a tune ~ 22hz with a 300w Yung plate amp would work pretty well being nearfield. He's building (i.e. I'm building) a new dedicated theater (75% sports & TV, 25% movies) and his needs aren't quite AVS-level... it's either this, or stick with his old Dayton SUB1200 (which he was fine with in his previous large dedicated theater) and disguise it as an end-table. He's cheap and doesn't want a visible sub, so this seems like a solid approach with a pretty minimal budget since we'll be building the riser anyway.

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That would be here:
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You'll still want a sub, though; you don't want sound coming up from under you.
What he has will probably be fine.
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If I had to guess, I'd bet a large percentage of his viewing will be from the front row, with kids and/or guests utilizing the second row... so for that row it should operate more as a nearfield sub and less as just impact/tactile augmentation... correct? Again, it's either this or a single Dayton SUB1200, so even if sub-optimal, it should be much better than the alternatives. I'm not sure how it would be much different than my down-firing Avalanche that's placed in an alcove behind my main seating position (other than a good bit more output and a little less extension).

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My project is coming along slowly because I only have one working arm right now due to surgery on a torn bicep. In any event, I've painted the charcoal prefabricated sub boxes black. The attached pictures show unpainted and painted surfaces to illustrate the difference.

I've also added female connectors to the internal wires that will connect the back of each box to the sub driver. I added some solder to the wires/connectors because they weren't holding very well with only crimping. I'll need help to screw the drivers into the boxes because I'm afraid I'll slip and stab a driver with only one good arm at the moment.

I bought Behringer 3000D amps to drive them. They will be located in a separate room, so I need a power strip that I can power on and off with my Harmony remote. Any recommendations for one?
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My project is coming along slowly because I only have one working arm right now due surgery on a torn bicep. In any event, I've painted the charcoal prefabricated sub boxes black. The attached pictures show unpainted and painted surfaces to illustrate the difference.

I've also added female connectors to the internal wires that will connect the back of each box to the sub driver. I added some solder to the wires/connectors because they weren't holding very well with only crimping. I'll need help to screw in the drivers because I'm afraid I'll slip and stab a driver with only one good arm at the moment.

I bought Behringer 3000D amps to drive them. They will be located in a separate room, so I need a power strip that I can power on and off with my Harmony remote. Any recommendations for one?


I bought a master/slave power strip from Amazon. I have my receiver plugged in to the “always on” plug and the Behringer plugged in to the “slave” plug. I use my Harmony to turn on the receiver and it automatically turns on the Behringer. When I power off the receiver it also cuts the power to the Behringer. It works great and was cheap! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


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Went ahead an ordered 8 of these beauties. Will no order 4 double boxes and a Behringer NX6000d. The journey begins.
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Question: I am using a NAD AVR with Dirac. Currently Dirac is taking care of the 2 Klipsch Subs I am using. The new JBLs and the Klipsch Subs should be equalized before running Dirac correct?

Would a MiniDSP be more helpful than the DSP in the Behringer in that case? I do still have a AntiMode 8033 I could use for the Klipsch Subs though.
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The MiniDSP would be "more helpful" but not really necessary. The 20Hz limit of the Berry isn't that much of a problem under these circumstances (usually).
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The MiniDSP would be "more helpful" but not really necessary. The 20Hz limit of the Berry isn't that much of a problem under these circumstances (usually).
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What about integration of the old Klipsch Subs with the new JBL array? Will that work using the AntiMode for the Klisch Subs and the Berry DSP for the JBLs? Then Dirac to finish it.
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As long as you can set the appropriate delays, you should be fine.
Do you have some form of measurement (REW) to check?
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Yes of course ;-)

The antimode does not have a delay but since I run the Klipsch Subs under the screen in the front it should not be a problem. The JBL array will go on the left and right walls.

I played around with this configuartion in the REW room simulator and the outcome looks good. Have to decide and measure whether to leave the 4 JBLs on each side lying on the ground or to position them vertically.
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In case it might be helpful to others:

I relied on the magic square thread by @LastButNotLeast for basic build guidelines: ( https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...fer-array.html ). It is very helpful, and includes recommendations for weather stripping, screws, etc.

I bought these subwoofer boxes: ( http://qpowerinc.com/details.aspx?product_id=20116 ). Be forewarned -- I can't remember where I bought them, but I know I paid only half what Amazon is charging for them, so shop around.

I bought this plastic container of female spade connectors: ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/css/order-...v_orders_first ). The largest connectors in this plastic container (6.3 mm) fit the male connections on the inside of the sub boxes perfectly. The largest connections (6.3 mm) also fit the larger of the two connections on the JBL sub perfectly. The smallest connectors (2.8 mm) fit the smaller connections on the JBL sub perfectly. As noted above, it turns out I'm terrible at crimping, so I added a little solder to each wire/female spade connector so that the connector won't let loose of the wire.

Also as noted above, the sub boxes were charcoal. I painted them black with this paint: ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) It took two coats to get the appearance dark and even. It required a can and a half of paint per box to do the two coats, even though I left the bottom and back panels of each box unpainted.
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Price difference (its 300€ more) not withstanding what do you guys think of this Class D ampf for 8 JBLs (with a MiniDSP): https://www.img-stageline.com/produc...ers/sta-2000d/ ?

Thought it would be passive but seems to have fans as well.

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Price difference (its 300€ more) not withstanding what do you guys think of this Class D ampf for 8 JBLs (with a MiniDSP): https://www.img-stageline.com/produc...ers/sta-2000d/ ?



Thought it would be passive but seems to have fans as well.


Not a fan. You can’t do 2 ohms so your likely looking at a pair of subs per channel, which means 8 ohms.... 280 watts max for both drivers...

With 8 drivers, I’d do two pairs of 4, which is 4 ohms per channel and get something with around 1000 to 1200 watts a channel...... lower would be ok depending on HOW MUCH lower...


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I can't fit all 16 subs side by side from one end of the front wall to the other. I can put two sets of subs on the far ends standing tall, with two more sets under the screen, or I can put three sets of four across with the middle one double stacked, or I can do two double stacked sets. (See the attached sketches, which demonstrate that I could never have been an artist).

Which of these options would you recommend for my initial set up? I'll play around with it eventually, but since I can't lift anything for months, whatever I have my neighbors set up as my test arrangement will be in place for a while.
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Can you stack em on top each other so you have 2 sections floor to ceiling?


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Like the attached sketch? Stacked with one box of four on top of another, they'd be between 8 and 9 feet tall. I have 10.5 foot ceilings up front, so it would almost be from floor to ceiling. I'd have to add some brackets to make sure the top sets of four wouldn't fall off, but I could set it up this way if it's preferable.
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Like the attached sketch? Stacked with one box of four on top of another, they'd be between 8 and 9 feet tall. I have 10.5 foot ceilings up front, so it would almost be from floor to ceiling. I'd have to add some brackets to make sure the top sets of four wouldn't fall off, but I could set it up this way if it's preferable.


Yup.... that’s what I’d suggest...

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Is this going for a test run soon?
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Probably next weekend. Everything takes longer with one arm.

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Good luck with the torn bicep. I tore my tricep last year and it's a slow recovery. Take your time and look into BPC-157 if you're an athlete of any sort. Oddly enough, I too made a bunch of JBL's as part of my "therapy".
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I have poly-fil to stuff the sub boxes. Do I need to glue it in somehow? I was planning to just push it in there.

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8 JBLs ordered. Found a bass box manufacturer who is going to build 4 twin boxes each with 100l for me with speaker grills.
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The post by @Nima reminded me to ask -- Are there specific speaker grills that any of you have found that look decent and fit the JBLs? My media room is the hang out spot for my kids and their friends to watch movies, and I'd hate to have a driver kicked in by a teenager.

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"Look decent" is in the eye of the beholder. I don't use them, but these look like they'd fit and work well:
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Did you find them on sale again?
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Yes on the Harman site in Germany. But sale is the wrong word.

I paid around 45 Dollars which is a bargain here in Germany but normal price for you guys.
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Oh gotcha. Well that's awesome that your getting it for a good price. It's $65 in the US so you're getting a good deal.
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