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Ended up buying 8x CS1214 and the 6000dsp. May not actually use both channels of the amp. May not actually use all 8 subs. That said, the NU6000dsp ($308) was way to close in price to actually buy the NU3000dsp ($279). If I don't use all the subs I can probably just return them to my local Walmart or unload them on CL so it made sense to not risk them selling out. Now to build a couple boxes and hook up 4 of them just to see if I actually want 8.
May i know where did you get 6kdsp for that price
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May i know where did you get 6kdsp for that price
*pitbullaudio* on ebay. They have two listings. One for new. One for open box demo. I actually sent a lower offer on the open box unit. They countered with $308 for a new one. Sent a $308 offer on the NIB listing and they accepted.
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16. 8 per cab. I'll get some better pics tomorrow with better lighting.
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Here's my first eight. Should have all 16 up and running by the weekend.
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BTW: do you guys use any stuffing in the boxes?
Mine are each in there own individual 1.5 cuft enclosure (4 drivers per box but individually sealed inside) and I put a pillows worth of stuffing in each. Pillows from Wal-Mart, $2.40ish each, cut them open and just used the inside stuff in the bottom of the box beneath the bracing.
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Nope. Read Josh's test on the effects and figured I could live without it.
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Nope. Read Josh's test on the effects and figured I could live without it.


I plan to stuff mine as I’m not sure how high I will cross them over in the future and it “could” help higher up as shown by Joshs same test.

But it’s not “required”


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I don't see DSP on either of those.
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Mine are each in there own individual 1.5 cuft enclosure (4 drivers per box but individually sealed inside) and I put a pillows worth of stuffing in each. Pillows from Wal-Mart, $2.40ish each, cut them open and just used the inside stuff in the bottom of the box beneath the bracing.
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Thanks guys. I will problably get some stuffing and test out.

Next question: where do you crossover your nearfields?
In my testing it seems nearfield require lower crossover than the farfields, or they end up localizable(was that correct spelled?) and may sound boomy. 80hz is where i am at right now.

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Next question: where do you crossover your nearfields?

In my testing it seems nearfield require lower crossover than the farfields, or they end up localizable(was that correct spelled?) and may sound boomy. 80hz is where i am at right now.
Right now, I ONLY have my nearfield sub going (the other 3 are still WIP's).

I am crossing at 80hz. I anticipate using that for all of my subs right now, but I may go a bit lower as my current mains (Polk SDA 2A's) dig pretty deep. I'm thinking potentially rolling the subs in around 40-60hz at a later date.

As my 5 channel setup is in flux (need to save up to purchase them), I'm not sure where the subs will be crossed over long term as it depends on what I use. I agree you probably will be able to localize voices, especially male ones, if you start crossing over above 80hz, so it will be a guessing/tweaking game as to where to stop. A steep xover in the MiniDSP can also help adjust the overlap to compensate, or even use a negative shelf filter above 80hz, with a sharp xover around 100hz..... options abound.

Since I will have two subs up front, they also may have different xovers and slopes than the rear two subs (which will be nearfield).....

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Thanks guys. I will problably get some stuffing and test out.

Next question: where do you crossover your nearfields?
In my testing it seems nearfield require lower crossover than the farfields, or they end up localizable(was that correct spelled?) and may sound boomy. 80hz is where i am at right now.
My plan is to have all of my subs in a wall behind the MLP. I grabbed another 16 of the CS1214s at the $35 price last week. I've wanted to run 32 of them since I first decided to use them. Knowing we are probably reaching the bottom of the barrel on availability, I grabbed them. (even though I'll probably only be running 16 for some time)

So, basically all near field. I cross mine at 70Hz. I'm running some unorthodox speakers in my setup- JBL JRX125 dual fifteens for my LR and a JBL JRX115 single fifteen for my center that dig pretty low. They're PA speakers, but in my quest for headroom and the ability to NOT be able to max out my volume ever, they fit the bill. Some eq'ing around the crossover point of the woofer and compression driver and a little on the top end, make me smile every time fire them up. Still might swap the compression drivers but not until my substage is complete.
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Man.... 32 is awesome! I’d love to have that many lol.......

I’m gonna be maxed out with 16....

But I know who to ask for more in the future lol


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I plan to stuff mine as I’m not sure how high I will cross them over in the future and it “could” help higher up as shown by Joshs same test.

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Yah and Josh mentioned that. I will never cross too high where it will annoy me. I have the LFE at 120 now and crossed at 100hz all around and it doesn't bother me and I have yet to eq it. I wouldn't mind having another 16 up front between the LCR and if I ever do that I'll definitely stuff em.
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^^^ Thanks guys about crossover info. Then i was right. I have always just used LPF of LFE in the AVR to deside crossover, and have always left it at 120 hz(default), and when i first started using nearfield i noticed the boomyness, and just turned the NF down to avoid it. But recently tested using a extra LPF of 80hz on the NF’s in the Minidsp, and voila: there was the punchy, tight sound i wanted. I could now turn up the NF’s again, and the result is so much more snappier, exact bass, i almost could not believe it. Will experiement more going forward


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(Then agan, if one of my 18” equals 4x12” then i will have what equals 28x12”, LOL)

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^^^ Thanks guys about crossover info. Then i was right. I have always just used LPF of LFE in the AVR to deside crossover, and have always left it at 120 hz(default), and when i first started using nearfield i noticed the boomyness, and just turned the NF down to avoid it. But recently tested using a extra LPF of 80hz on the NF’s in the Minidsp, and voila: there was the punchy, tight sound i wanted. I could now turn up the NF’s again, and the result is so much more snappier, exact bass, i almost could not believe it. Will experiement more going forward


And Jay: 32x12” !!! That is truly INSANE in the membrane, man !

(Then agan, if one of my 18” equals 4x12” then i will have what equals 28x12”, LOL)
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"There's no replacement for displacement," was once said to me and it stuck. I really wanted to get a couple Deep Sea Sound 24"s or build something similar, but at $4,000 a pop (which I'm sure is worth it), I figured give Myself a MAX budget of $3,999 and see what I could accomplish. At an average price of $37 a driver, I only have $1,184 invested in subwoofers. Add in the extra for boxes, wiring, amps, DSP, etc... I'll still come in under my budget. And have one Hell of a conversation piece!!
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My only regret is i didn’t discover this cheaper equivalent before i ordered the 4x CS1214, so they all would look the same. Then i would have ordered 16 x GTX for sure

But hey, i think it’s all good

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My only regret is i didn’t discover this cheaper equivalent before i ordered the 4x CS1214, so they all would look the same. Then i would have ordered 16 x GTX for sure

But hey, i think it’s all good

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^^^Agreed. I'd bet BB does that sale again on Black Friday. If they do then I'll pick up another 8-16 just for chits and giggles. With a real 15mm Xmax they're the best deal ever for $30. Heck even $65 is great. Putting 16 behind me is the most violent bass I've ever felt. I really have no idea how More Is Better took his to max and still could take more. I've gotten to maybe half twice and realized I should be wearing some depends.

I watched B:LA Sunday and realized I could've used just 8 drivers and been happy but overkill is a beautiful thing.
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I watched B:LA Sunday and realized I could've used just 8 drivers and been happy but overkill is a beautiful thing.

I get what you mean. I get the same with just the 4 i got now, they have a insane punch, and listening to music is a new experience. Donald Fagen for ex. has very cool tight bass and drum lines, and in no way am i maxing them out yet. But with 12 i get more headroom and can get more extension.

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Donald Fegan eh?

Yah definitely go with 16. I only did that for below 25hz and it's definitely needed with some movies. Anything above that is brutal even with 8.
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I’m jealous of you guys with that many nearfield.

Mine don’t really qualify as by the time you sit at the main lp they will be about 5 feet away on all sides.

I don’t think I will be able to get approval for directly behind anytime soon lol.

But if I do, that’s where the remaining 4 will go since I will only be using 12 to start w.

Thankfully I won’t need that much space for just 4 since I’d be going with the angled box but with 8” of depth lol....


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That'll work too. If I coulda made it with an 8" depth I would've. @Raylon inspired me with his 4 SI 18's in a 14" depth. I hoped I wouldn't get any rocking or movement of the cabs with the wide dimensions and so far so good. Though I've yet to really push em.

Four should still be pretty potent nearfield. Since they don't have a high Xmax you can put em that much closer.
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Yah definitely go with 16. I only did that for below 25hz and it's definitely needed with some movies. Anything above that is brutal even with 8.
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Well yes if you have a multi seat couch like yours, then sure go for as many as will fit, and all listener positions will have equal TR. But with my two seat, for tactile purpose, i am not convinced i need the full 16. I think even 12 is overkill, but we’ll see

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Well yes if you have a multi seat couch like yours, then sure go for as many as will fit, and all listener positions will have equal TR. But with my two seat, for tactile purpose, i am not convinced i need the full 16. I think even 12 is overkill, but we’ll see

I will see if i get time this weekend to test my manifold idea, and possible measure some TR. I think i can convert my two single boxes to a dual with manifold
Yes of course Donald Fagan! He and Becker put out some of the best produced music of the 70's. Still sounds good all of these years later.
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Well yes if you have a multi seat couch like yours, then sure go for as many as will fit, and all listener positions will have equal TR. But with my two seat, for tactile purpose, i am not convinced i need the full 16. I think even 12 is overkill, but we’ll see

I will see if i get time this weekend to test my manifold idea, and possible measure some TR. I think i can convert my two single boxes to a dual with manifold
No I meant I just gotta look em up and listen to some of his stuff since I've never heard of him. I don't listen to music often unfortunately.

I'm sorry I forgot you mentioned the 2 seater. This will probably be the only time then I'll say you don't need 16. For the price though it's not one of those decisions you'll regret either even if you don't use them all. Like I said if they do another BF sale I might pick up a couple more just in case I listen to the Interstellar wormhole scene at reference again. Jiminy crickets....

Edit:Oh Steely Dan haha. Didn't know their names but yah ok I'm with yah.
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could Pioneer TS-W306R be a options vs jbl.Full specifications
Thiele/Small Parameters
Qts 0,81
Rms[Ns/m] 1,53 Ns/m
Qms 15,6
Mms [g] 153,9 g
Qes 0,86
Cms [m/N] 0,27 mm/N
F0 (in Cabinet) 48,5 Hz
Fs [Hz] 24,6 Hz
Mg.Wt.[g] 840 g
Q0 (in Cabinet) 1,60
Vas [l] 102,1
Flux Density [Gauss] 619 mT
Vas [ft3] 3,61
Hag [mm] 8
Vd [l] 0,60
Hag [In] 0,31
Vd [ft3] 2,12E-0
Hvc [mm] 31,3
Sd [m2] 5,156E-02
Hvc [In] 1,23
Sd [ft2] 0,55
VC.Diameter [mm] 40
Revc [O] 3,6 Ω
Eff [%] 0,17
Levc [mH] (2000Hz) 1,81 mH
S.P.L. [dB] 96 dB
Xmax [mm] 11,7
R.M.S.Power [W] 350 W
Xmax [in] 0,46
M.M.P. [W] 1300 W
Zmax [O] 46,8 Ω
Sp. Displacement [l] 1,09
Nom. Dia.(In) 30 см
BI [Tm] 10,3 Tm
Sp. Displacement [ft3] 0,038
Main Features
Recom. Enclosure [l] 35,4
Recom. Enclosure [ft3] 1,25
Size 30 cm
Maximum power input 1300
Nominal input power 350 W
Frequency response 20 - 125 Hz
Sensitivity 96 dB
Impedance 4 Ω
Woofer material IMPP
Voice Coil bobbin type Aluminium
Mounting Depth 135 mm
Cut-out Hole 281 mm
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