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if these comes back ill grab 2 rightaway. it kinda sad for me i waited too long until it was gone nòoooooo

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Like many others I feel this is very unfortunate as I too was planning on a build with two of these. Does this mean there could be a possible return of the DS4-18??
I wish this was true. I missed out on the DS4's when they were out, and I posted my subs for sale the other day planning to get some HT-18's. The next day they go away

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Like many others I feel this is very unfortunate as I too was planning on a build with two of these. Does this mean there could be a possible return of the DS4-18??
I wish this was true. I missed out on the DS4's when they were out, and I posted my subs for sale the other day planning to get some HT-18's. The next day they go away [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.avsforum.com//forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]

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This is too bad. I love my 6 ds4s. I hate that there isnt a way for me to replace them if anything ever happens to them. I find it weird that a woofer cant be made and sold continuously for the right price for us and the company making and selling them. It seems like money spent to launch a new product would be a better investment to carry that product longer. I dont know anything about it though.

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From my perspective, and I have tried something like this in the past, the problem with a product like this is logistics, if there's not a continuous sales stream is very hard and expensive business to be in, all the costs generated by storage and mostly shipping makes a bulky and heavy product like this become non profitable if it takes a long time to move, because after all the logistics costs the profit is minimum and at the end of the day you may not even see it reflected in your wallet, at the end of the day carriers like FedEx or UPS end up making more money than the product distributor, been there done that....
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He could still offer it on a per-(mass)order basis. He keeps an order sheet of some minimum (say 50 or 100) units, and once enough are "sold" then the real order goes in to fulfill them. The Daytons go out of stock for months, so it's not like this less-frequent per order system would be that inconvenient. I'm sure if someone had to wait 1-2 months for enough orders to be filled they would do so, given the price and value of the HT-18.

Maybe none of the above is feasible though.. I dont know.. was just a thought
It's not worth the hassle. There's more work that people realize to get that all setup.
It was a good run, lots got their cheap subs and now it time to move on.

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Are there any alternatives to these drivers within similar price point?
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Hopefully not because I just got some boxes cut for those.
@Erich H Time for a Denovo-18!
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It's not worth the hassle. There's more work that people realize to get that all setup.
It was a good run, lots got their cheap subs and now it time to move on.
Fair enough
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@Erich H Time for a Denovo-18!
This sounds like a good idea. Unless there is some reason Erich and eminence wouldn't want to step on any toes at PE, I could see them coming up with a great driver. Their 12 seems to be a good product so why not an 18. I can't see them targeting the $150 mark, but $200 feels right. Eminence doesn't really have a big xmax home theater sub, but I bet some designers there have wanted to try it.
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Everyones business is different........

The hard work has been done, the leg work....sourcing,setting it all up,design etc. Now it is just a matter of cash and making the call to have another container on its way.


For my business model and products I carry it goes like this......


If I can spend 10k 20k 30k on a product, it does not take up massive room and turn a couple thousand off that product in a year, then add 10...50...100 more products that generate a few grand a year, that's what I do, but you have to have a good cash reserve to do that.


I used to carry almost 300 products that turned about a 1000 per product per year profit, but it was way too much work so I scaled it back to a reasonable level as no one wants to work 16 hours a day....lol


Once again, I ask...........since that was the only import you do not hand build, would you be willing to let some one order a container of them since you did all the hard work and have the connections ?
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Once again, I ask...........since that was the only import you do not hand build, would you be willing to let some one order a container of them since you did all the hard work and have the connections ?
Comon unre, that's a ridiculous question. Go ahead and assume the answer is no and kiss em' goodbye.
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Comon unre, that's a ridiculous question. Go ahead and assume the answer is no and kiss em' goodbye.
Sometimes the ridiculous questions are the ones that need to be asked. Then again, maybe not.
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Comon unre, that's a ridiculous question. Go ahead and assume the answer is no and kiss em' goodbye.

Why, I have tons of products I no longer carry, but if you think you can do something I would be more than happy to hook you up. There is plenty for everyone and no one person or company will rule the market on anything.


But, I do assume from no answer the answer is no.......
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Seriously though I think this is a very low margin item and it's cool that it occasionally exists. I mean is you make $20 a unit and sell 200 or even 500 you're not really gonna pay the bills on that.

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Seriously though I think this is a very low margin item and it's cool that it occasionally exists. I mean is you make $20 a unit and sell 200 or even 500 you're not really gonna pay the bills on that.
So why not increase margin. I'd gladly pay $200 for this driver (v1 or v2). And I'm pretty sure others would fork up $200 as well. That's still 2/3's the cost of the closest competitor, UM18 (which is never in stock).

There is clearly still demand for this driver. So if Nick doesn't intend to put the driver back on the market, he'd be doing the community an enormous favor by handing over design and/or suppliers.
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Why the hell would he want to just give up his design, so people can then buy it from a competitor?
Can you guys not see how crazy that is? No one would do that, that's an awful business decision.

There's nothing stopping anyone from contacting a few China buildhouses and getting them to make you something. Put in your own leg work.
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What if this is just to increase pent up demand ? And once more are back, the price will increase. Never know, it makes sense to keep making them and increase the MSRP.
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There's nothing stopping anyone from contacting a few China buildhouses and getting them to make you something. Put in your own leg work.
Yep. Two things and I'm gonna leave this thread. One, si is making more $ off mobile than us ht guys. Just look at their Facebook. Two, the point of cheap loss leaders is to attract sales to the profitable items. If people just glom to the cheap items and sales of the profitable items don't increase due to the increased traffic, no point in offering them.

The ht18 is a great deal But to play low needs a lot of volume.

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The point of cheap loss leaders is to attract sales to the profitable items. If people just glom to the cheap items and sales of the profitable items don't increase due to the increased traffic, no point in offering them.

The ht18 is a great deal but to play low needs a lot of volume.

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The HT-18 v2 really didn't have to be a loss leader. I would have happily forked out $200 to $250 for them. Oh well, if it ever makes a comeback, I'll grab 'em. Until then....I'll just have to accept that it's the end of the road for the HT-18.
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There is clearly still demand for this driver. So if Nick doesn't intend to put the driver back on the market, he'd be doing the community an enormous favor by handing over design and/or suppliers.
Im in awe that you wrote this, if you failed to read back before posting hastily I understand. If not wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first.
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What if this is just to increase pent up demand ? And once more are back, the price will increase. Never know, it makes sense to keep making them and increase the MSRP.
You have people in here begging to pay 25-40% more when sales weren't enough to bother keeping them in stock.


DIY sub is a once in a decade purchase. I take it at face value that they were not selling that great.
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This driver being low margin or a loss due to high RMA rates would make sense, but the low demand explanation makes no sense given its popularity

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Oh Crap, I was just a couple/few paychecks away from ordering two of these.
Four if I could afford it.

There is NOTHING else out there that has the xmax + low frequency response in the same price range.
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Im in awe that you wrote this, if you failed to read back before posting hastily I understand. If not wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first.
Lol nice metaphor bud.

Just trying to find a solution. There's clearly demand here. Higher demand equals higher price. But you guys are right, Nick can do whatever he wants.
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Eminence has a 50 piece minimum and they'll build to order. Maybe the diy community can establish a target set of t/s?

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I think the HT18 V1 specs at $200 would be a winner. Doesn't even need to be pretty. But, PE and Eminence might have a friendly agreement to not compete with similar products.
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If I was y'all (all who really want more of these drivers), I'd start an "HT-18v2 Group Buy Petition" thread and gather together orders until it counts up to about 100 units.

Then email Stereo Integrity with the orders and make a deal. If it was me, and low demand was the reason for the discontinuation, 100 units all in one shot would be too enticing to pass up.

If you can't amass an order of 100 units within a reasonable time frame then you have your answer and...


(I don't speak for Nick and he might still tell you to get bent. Just an idea guys.)


I don’t need any of these, was just posting the quote for people who couldn’t find it.


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Hopefully not because I just got some boxes cut for those.
Erich, I'm sure we can work something out if you would like to carry and offer the drivers. You have our email address, phone number, all of our contact information. Give us a call.
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This driver being low margin or a loss due to high RMA rates would make sense, but the low demand explanation makes no sense given its popularity
Almost zero RMA's so that's not the issue. Unfortunately it is perceived popularity on this forum. The first generation sales were very good but very few posts on AVS per the amount actuallly sold. Reverse on this second version towards the end of production - many customers publishing build threads, impressions, etc, but those were the only people who actually ordered. We really like the performance of the HT-18 v2's but when sales stayed at the low figure for such a long period of time there was/is no incentive to continue production.
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