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Stereo Integrity Black Friday Sale

I see Stereo Integrity has a great sale going for Subs, Looks like a great time to get a good deal. Also looks like its time to JUMP again.. First 10's were all the rave, then 12's.. then 15's then 18's.. now 24's.. and even 32's.. Time to feed the addiction.. Its getting out of hand. But someone will by it..

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Could use some advice, my room is 22 X 34 X 8 so not quite 6,000. 1) Should I go with 2 24's sealed front corners and 2 18's nearfield. Or
2) 4 18's sealed up front and 2 nearfield.

I know with the room being large I should stick with ported, but from the rave reviews of 24's I should get decent response down low. Option 2 would save some money, but the 24's seem to be in another league. I don't think I have seen anybody say they didn't exceed expectation.
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Could use some advice, my room is 22 X 34 X 8 so not quite 6,000. 1) Should I go with 2 24's sealed front corners and 2 18's nearfield. Or
2) 4 18's sealed up front and 2 nearfield.

I know with the room being large I should stick with ported, but from the rave reviews of 24's I should get decent response down low. Option 2 would save some money, but the 24's seem to be in another league. I don't think I have seen anybody say they didn't exceed expectation.
If you can afford it, get 24" hands down...
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Could use some advice, my room is 22 X 34 X 8 so not quite 6,000. 1) Should I go with 2 24's sealed front corners and 2 18's nearfield. Or
2) 4 18's sealed up front and 2 nearfield.

I know with the room being large I should stick with ported, but from the rave reviews of 24's I should get decent response down low. Option 2 would save some money, but the 24's seem to be in another league. I don't think I have seen anybody say they didn't exceed expectation.
I modelled those IB-24's last night in sealed 16cu ft boxes. Each 24 outperformed a pair of 18's, especially below 30hz. Since they are $559, you can calculate they are about the same price as a pair of budget 18's (Dayton 460HO, Ultimax 18) so the value is there. Plus being able to tell your buds that you have a pair of 24's..... By the way, whats up boss dog
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Go for the 24's!!!
You will be so freaking happy that you did!
@Electrodynamic makes some wicked subs... I love mine...
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@Electrodynamic I have heard of IB subs before but never seen them in action before, so I saw a YouTube video of the subwoofer in action for an MS charity giveaway video. My wife has MS and it was cool to see you do that. I was curious if you or anyone could help provide some insight on IB subwoofers pros and cons vs your HS24 subwoofer. Thanks
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I modelled those IB-24's last night in sealed 16cu ft boxes. Each 24 outperformed a pair of 18's, especially below 30hz. Since they are $559, you can calculate they are about the same price as a pair of budget 18's (Dayton 460HO, Ultimax 18) so the value is there. Plus being able to tell your buds that you have a pair of 24's..... By the way, whats up boss dog
Oh Wow... Didnt know that. A great value. Did you compare to the "Budget" 18s.. UM18 and 460HO??

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Oh Wow... Didnt know that. A great value. Did you compare to the "Budget" 18s.. UM18 and 460HO??
It was a very rough mock-up against a pair of 460 HO's, but it was clear that 40-80hz would be similar, while everything below 30hz the 24" had 3-10db more output, which excites me greatly. Plus the 24 will sound better since its distortion percentages will be way lower. AND the xmax is so great you won't need a high-pass filter in a sealed enclosure even at 2k watts.
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The look people get on their faces when they see a 24" driver up close is priceless...
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@Electrodynamic I have heard of IB subs before but never seen them in action before, so I saw a YouTube video of the subwoofer in action for an MS charity giveaway video. My wife has MS and it was cool to see you do that. I was curious if you or anyone could help provide some insight on IB subwoofers pros and cons vs your HS24 subwoofer. Thanks
If you have unlimited space and can afford north or 20 ft^3 per 24" woofer the IB-24 is a very good solution.

It takes 3x HST-18 mkII's to keep up with one HS-24 mkII so if space is a concern at all the HS-24 mkII is a very good option. Modeling might show otherwise but actual real-world results may be different.
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If you have unlimited space and can afford north or 20 ft^3 per 24" woofer the IB-24 is a very good solution.

It takes 3x HST-18 mkII's to keep up with one HS-24 mkII so if space is a concern at all the HS-24 mkII is a very good option. Modeling might show otherwise but actual real-world results may be different.
Are there any real world measurements with an equal volume enclosure comparison?
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Especially with these being available now! http://www.diysoundgroup.com/assembled-cabinets.html
Does anyone have a graph, or would you please consider making a graph for me as a favor, showing the performance of the HS24 MKII in DIYSG's 10 cubic foot sealed box? Also, does anyone know the actual dimensions of DIYSG's box? Will it fit through a standard interior door? I didn't see measurements on the webpage.

I had been reading up on Martys, but after getting helpful advice from @eng-399 and @EndersShadow , I've been leaning toward getting a 21DS115 and building a ported box similar to eng-399s. Now there are sealed 24s to consider too. It's a lot for a newbie to try to figure out. The attraction of the 24s is how easy it would be with the prebuilt box. However, the 21s are a lot less expensive, and for all I know, are just as good or better.

Ignoring the price difference for the moment, what's the better choice for an 18' by 21' closed off room with 10.5 foot ceilings? A pair of ported 21DS115s similar to eng-399s, or a pair of sealed HS24 MKIIs in the DIYSG boxes?

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Does anyone have a graph, or would you please consider making a graph for me as a favor, showing the performance of the HS24 MKII in DIYSG's 10 cubic foot sealed box? Also, does anyone know the actual dimensions of DIYSG's box? Will it fit through a standard interior door? I didn't see measurements on the webpage.



I had been reading up on Martys, but after getting helpful advice from @eng-399 and @EndersShadow , I've been leaning toward getting a 21DS115 and building a ported box similar to eng-399s. Now there are sealed 24s to consider too. It's a lot for a newbie to try to figure out. The attraction of the 24s is how easy it would be with the prebuilt box. However, the 21s are a lot less expensive, and for all I know, are just as good or better.



Ignoring the price difference for the moment, what's the better choice for an 18' by 21' closed off room with 10.5 foot ceilings? A pair of ported 21DS115s similar to eng-399s, or a pair of sealed HS24 MKIIs in the DIYSG boxes?

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You are in Europe correct? If so I don’t think Stereo Integrity ships internationally but I could be wrong.
@Electrodynamic can tell us that.

Regarding the differences between boxes I will graph it for you later if I have time but an educated guess would be that a single 21” in a ported box would be the same or better than a single 24” in a sealed box until a couple hz below the tuning frequency of the ported box, which I think for you is around 17hz, so I’m your case maybe like 15hz the sealed box starts to do better.

This of course is WITHOUT factoring in room gain, which is unique to each room.

Also a sealed driver needs a lot more power than a ported box, especially down low, so your going to need a pricier amp like speakerpower to get the most out of a sealed sub as many amps are not great at providing their amp power below 15hz.

All that said, this doesn’t mean each option won’t be more than your need. At some point the graphs just become numbers as you may not be someone who wants to crank your sub to 130db, maybe 100 is fine for you, and maybe both subs can do that as well.

So don’t get too hung up on the numbers (like I do lol).
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The hs24 is also on sale and it models very well in a ported box around 24 feet net. Big I know but iirc it is ruler flat to 20 hz. The increased output would be worth the money I think and the efficiency will be welcome in a large room. A pair of those and an inuke 6000 yikes.

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You are in Europe correct? If so I don’t think Stereo Integrity ships internationally but I could be wrong.
@Electrodynamic can tell us that.

Regarding the differences between boxes I will graph it for you later if I have time but an educated guess would be that a single 21” in a ported box would be the same or better than a single 24” in a sealed box until a couple hz below the tuning frequency of the ported box, which I think for you is around 17hz, so I’m your case maybe like 15hz the sealed box starts to do better.

This of course is WITHOUT factoring in room gain, which is unique to each room.

Also a sealed driver needs a lot more power than a ported box, especially down low, so your going to need a pricier amp like speakerpower to get the most out of a sealed sub as many amps are not great at providing their amp power below 15hz.

All that said, this doesn’t mean each option won’t be more than your need. At some point the graphs just become numbers as you may not be someone who wants to crank your sub to 130db, maybe 100 is fine for you, and maybe both subs can do that as well.

So don’t get too hung up on the numbers (like I do lol).
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The hs24 is also on sale and it models very well in a ported box around 24 feet net. Big I know but iirc it is ruler flat to 20 hz. The increased output would be worth the money I think and the efficiency will be welcome in a large room. A pair of those and an inuke 6000 yikes.

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What's a "large room" for this discussion? Mine is over 18 W by 21 L by 10.5 H.

Theoretically, I could build two of these 24s ported with a size of 28" by 28" by 60" (not final measurements; only a very rough estimate to get just over 24 cubic feet like you said). I could put them end to end in front of my screen with the driver mounted somewhere in the 60 inch face. They might even look like a stage with two of them up there. Is there any reason not to use two inuke 3000s instead of a single inuke 6000 for a pair of subs? I would like to avoid the thump that occurs with the 6000 when powering off via a power strip instead of the button.

The hard part is that for the price of two 24s, I could build three 21s, plus I wonder if just two 21s is already more than I'll need. This is my first theater room, so I'm really flying blind. I can't thank the members of this forum enough for all of their patience in giving advice to clueless people like me.

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What's a "large room" for this discussion? Mine is over 18 W by 21 L by 10.5 H.

Theoretically, I could build two of these 24s ported with a size of 28" by 28" by 60" (not final measurements; only a very rough estimate to get just over 24 cubic feet like you said). I could put them end to end in front of my screen with the driver mounted somewhere in the 60 inch face. They might even look like a stage with two of them up there. Is there any reason not to use two inuke 3000s instead of a single inuke 6000 for a pair of subs? I would like to avoid the thump that occurs with the 6000 when powering off via a power strip instead of the button.

The hard part is that for the price of two 24s, I could build three 21s, plus I wonder if just two 21s is already more than I'll need. This is my first theater room, so I'm really flying blind. I can't thank the members of this forum enough for all of their patience in giving advice to clueless people like me.
When you figure what's equivalent make sure you take displacement into account. Also I'm not sure which 21 you are referring to, and also I am specifically talking about the hs24 not the ib24. If you're looking at the B&C 21ds115 for example it has cone area of 168000 mm^2 and hs24 has 212900 mm^2. Now the 21 sweeps 15mm xmax (with a very healthy xmech to back it up but let's stick with linear excursion) but the 24 sweeps 38 mm (both one way so peak to peak is double that). So just multiply to get displacement, area times xmax. For the 24 that is 212900 mm^2 cone area times 38mm xmax equals 8090200 mm^3 or 8090 cm^3, the 21 works out to 2520 cm^3. The 24 displaces over 3 times the 21. This is just one factor to consider but it's a big one. The 24 will not disappoint, it is just frightening what it can do, and two of them ported is going to get into structural damage territory lol.

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What's a "large room" for this discussion? Mine is over 18 W by 21 L by 10.5 H.

Theoretically, I could build two of these 24s ported with a size of 28" by 28" by 60" (not final measurements; only a very rough estimate to get just over 24 cubic feet like you said). I could put them end to end in front of my screen with the driver mounted somewhere in the 60 inch face. They might even look like a stage with two of them up there. Is there any reason not to use two inuke 3000s instead of a single inuke 6000 for a pair of subs? I would like to avoid the thump that occurs with the 6000 when powering off via a power strip instead of the button.

The hard part is that for the price of two 24s, I could build three 21s, plus I wonder if just two 21s is already more than I'll need. This is my first theater room, so I'm really flying blind. I can't thank the members of this forum enough for all of their patience in giving advice to clueless people like me.
You really need to decide ported v sealed. And lets just discuss is as if you were doing a single to make it easier.

This ignores cost, and assumes you can build a box large enough for it, but....

If you can do a ported 21 or a ported 24.... then the ported 24 will win out. Box size for a ported 24 will be a bit larger than the 21" but its not like your doubling cabinet volume.

If you can do a ported 21 or a sealed 24.... the ported 21 is likely the better sub.

If we factor in cost, then dual ported 21's is cheaper than dual ported 24's and will perform very nice. Both would likely be more than you'd need IMHO.

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I think the 10cuft enclosure is a 29" cube.

The testing and EQ work is already done so the Speaker Power amplifier option will come preprogrammed and ready to go.

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Send me a PM if you need any graphs done with the drivers your looking at I'll help you out.
For most if not all 21 or larger subs with dsp / low shelf e.q. a inuke 6000dsp will be o,k. But u would get much more with a deep amp. If us have big bucks go speakerpower or so. The 14000 FP clones do well and with quiet fans are enjoyable with 8 feet.

For sealed it helps too have big power to push under 20htz.

Most 21 or 18 inch box size for sealed and even Ported are more realistic to move around or move from home to home.
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So is this pretty much the consensus that B&C 21's ported would be better than a single HS24 sealed? I'm not sure if I'm looking at the wrong info on Data-Bass but it looks like the 24 measures better?

http://data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=144&mset=168

Is there a different one to view instead of this one to see measurements? Or is it because that box for the B&C isn't big enough?

I've currently got 6 UXL-18's in sealed boxes in storage waiting to move into our new home. The theater will be 20'x30'x13' so I'm just not sure if I should stick with the 18's and add a few more (UXL price is now over $700) or switch to 24's or 21's. Cost isn't a big factor but I don't need to hit 130db bass either. I just want the most impressive setup up through reference with some gas in the tank so the subs are straining. Also seem's like the JTR 4000ULF bests both options but I'm guessing we could just add more DIY's to beat it right?
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