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That won't work APO maxes out at 8 channels
So I read this and wondered if anyone else has wondered why that limit was in place and found this comment.
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Equalizer APO does not limit the number of channels. Although channel names are only defined for up to 8 channels, channels can also be adressed using the channel number, so there is virtually no limit.
I tried to see if I could show it working for channels over 8 as I use a Scarlett 6i6 at my desk which supports up to 12 "DAW" channels and I'm already using Equalizer APO with Asio Bridge however it seems that Asio Bridge only supports up to 8 channels and so I couldn't route anything more to my 6i6. But, EQAPO allowed me to create 12 channels and copy channel audio to them all. I did find that the behavior described in the linked comment was accurate. When entering channels by number, if you type "1", "2", etc, it automatically renames them to "L", "R", "RL", etc until you hit a number greater than the defined speaker configuration in Windows. Was there an 8 channel limit you've personally run into? Like I said, I was unable to see verify that >8 channels would work. Maybe that's the issue you're talking about.

Related but unrelated, are you aware of any software similar to Asio Bridge? I'm having issues with it not re initializing after waking from sleep and it's unintuitive to use.

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EQ APO doesn't support ASIO directly, and is therefore not bit-perfect, and therefore lossy.

and yeah ASIO Bridge is limited to 8 channels.

I know that ASIO4All will wrap a sound device as an ASIO in/out device, but that won't help in the case of EQ APO as it doesn't do ASIO.

Jack audio can do 256 channels, and inter-app audio and ASIO. You may be able to go from APO to Jack to your sound device.
http://jackaudio.org/

In my case I'm going from ASIO In to an app with dsp to ASIO Out, and in that case the middle piece, Audition, works great...

If at any point Motu has a firmware that can do full DSP onboard (instead of the half baked DSP it has now), then I'd be able to cut out the computer and Audition altogether, but until then...

Both the Motu ASIO drivers and Audition in ASIO mode are bit-perfect, and audition's SNR for DSP effects is better than -180db, so it's entirely hardware limited by the Sabre DAC (which has sufficient, if not excellent SNR as-is).

Adobe releases a new major release once a year in October, with patches in between, so every year my DSP gets more features added to it.

For example I can easily add a reverb phantom up-mix from the sides and rears so that my heights are "always on", and then save that as a multi-track file, and then also create another file with discrete Atmos heights for when I'm watching an Atmos disc.

Once Sandboxie 1809 comes out I can use that to host multiple instances of Audition, which is how I get around it's inherent lack of multi-threading. I found that one instance for each LCR, and then another for the sides/backs and another for the heights, and another few instances for the subwoofers seems to be an ideal load for a multi-core CPU. Windows figures out how to balance the load across all the cores. The Motu drivers are multi-client so every instance sees all of the available channels for routing any number of inputs to any number of outputs, therefore you're not limited in the routing department.

USB3 and ThunderBolt maxes out at 128x128 channels on the Motu's, so if you need beyond that, then you'd need multiple DSP computers and multiple AVB hubs and multiple 624's etc...
I don't see too many people needing such a rig, perhaps Beyonce on a world-tour or something LOL!

My current rig is 24x48 so I'm well under the Motu driver limit.
That gives me Atmos 17.1.6 or 19.1.4 or 18.2.4 or 7.2.15 or 7.13.4 overkill no matter how you align the dots. LOL

The driver limit per computer is 44.42.42, but you'd need a 64core AMD cpu to process that load FOR SURE!
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If you ever get worn out by all of this, perhaps you could then focus your energies on something less involved. You know -- like, air traffic controller or something....
Oh I already do focus my energies on something else...

The uptime here at Area 52 is extremely high.

and that's only one node of several redundant pairs...

This Dell MC operating system and motherboard hasn't seen a reboot in 4 years.
and the VMware ESXI 5.5 blade hasn't seen a reboot in 2 years.

24/7/365

Those are the two most stable OS's ever created IMO.
Uptime of 100% for any given year. No need for 9's

The VM's can stay up even longer with VMotion.
Just buy a new 2019 server, install VMware ESXI 6.7 and VMotion them. (Which I will be doing...)

Even for crummy Windows 10, it never needs a reboot if it can't connect to the internet to report back to Microsoft, just sayin'...

Additionally, it can't get a virus if nobody has physical access to it...

and even if something did make it past the anti-virus, there are also continuous-snapshots of the OS and databases to rollback the nasty transactions.
Besides the hard drives are encrypted, the OS is encrypted, the database is encrypted, and the data in the apps and database is encrypted.*

and you know what... no matter how much juice I've seen applied to those electric chairs, the creatures never tell us why they used the anal probes on us, and so we continue to document the evidence, Guantanamo-style.

On that note, never put zombies and aliens together in the same cage, it's like watching Fight Club and Contagion at the same time!

Making it into this place alive is one thing, but making it back out alive, is something else...

*Gotta store that zombie-porn and kill-room data somewhere.

How's that for extracurricular energies?
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Bassthathz how do you like the sound from everything now? Wondering if your smiling all the time when the setup is turned up.
It sounds pretty good.
But it could use better mids (and a few more subwoofers! )

My current room is limited to 7.X.6 I think. There just isn't enough space for more speakers (or subwoofers.)
I'm 90% music, so I'm mostly in 2.2
No need for 64 Auro3D Bose Satellites, I think I'll stick with my 7 large full-range floor standing speakers for the beds. The heights will likely be a Beyma/Fostex combo.

There are still some things that my Sennheiser HD800's and B&W 800 mids do that these DIY Speakers don't... (a level of transparency and resolution.)

It's really obvious on this song, where the vocals are deep and authoritative, but not super well recorded.
The HD800 resolve this with ease.

If I like the sound of the Beyma's I might just have to re-do all my speakers with those in them. Decisions... Decisions...

Hopefully they'd match or exceed the HD800's and B&W mids in every regard.

That would literally be an exercise in futility though, chasing after that last %
Only time will tell if the Beyma's would be worthy of the extra effort/money...
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I'll probably regret doing this purchase, but I saved 11% by buying this today.


This enables 4K UHD 12-Bit Dolby-Vision HDR HFR IMAX-Enhanced and Auro3D + DTS:X + Dolby-Atmos for my system, and also makes my Cleanboxes and Oppo and XSP-1 unneeded, as it has direct real XLR connections for all channels to decode the HDMI output from the Sony X700 UHD player I bought the other week.

The Cleanboxes were really dragging down my SQ and frequency response below 10hz. Glad to see them leave...

I've never owned a Marantz before. I have no idea what it's SQ will be like.

In 2001 I was using Yamaha AVR's HT/RX line, then in 2005 a Rotel RSP, then a Emotiva UMC in 2008, then an XSP-1 and Oppo 105 in 2013, and I've been using that until 2018 when I went Motu/Marantz just now...
So that's my audio history.
I know the XSP-1, Oppo and Motu all have top-shelf SQ, I hope the Marantz doesn't let me down (only gonna be using it for movie-mode regardless, which I'm far less picky over...)
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Why not the AV8805?

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Why not the AV8805?
Waste of money. I don't need any of it's features and the 7705 get's me 99% of the features for half the price.
Also, my room is too small for anything beyond 7.X.4, 7.X.6 at the absolute most...
I don't need 9.X.4 or 11.X.8

I'll also be able to buy a 7706 sooner. With 8K smellovision support (or whatever they dream up next...)
All of this, for nearly the same price as the then "old/useless" 8805...

It's just like buying computers, you either:
1) go for the cheapest model that exists now, and suffer now and suffer even more in the future as things get even slower. But save huge.
or
2) go for a mid tier now, only suffer on intense things like games, and slight sufferage in the future.
Save a little bit.
or
3) go balls-out for that GTX3080 TI+ that will STILL be "uncool" in 6 months, and then either keep wasting huge piles of money keeping up with the Jones OR suffer for years as the ROI depreciates while you feel robbed and dumb.

In summary: There are no winners. The house always wins. Don't get suckered...
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I hear ya!

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You can always turn it down, but you can only turn it up so much (before you run out of power, excursion or structural integrity).
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Lol!

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You can always turn it down, but you can only turn it up so much (before you run out of power, excursion or structural integrity).
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Can't wait to get out of this place. My vacation starts in exactly 4 weeks. Hopefully the 7705 ships soon!

In true BTH-style, while we wait... Want to know some hidden knowledge that they are keeping secret from you?

Take some dirt, some water, add some UV electromagnetic waves and some alien nanobots (aka seeds), and now you have a garden.
In the beginning there was lava, the lava cooled into dirt, the rocks "grew" into water, air and plants.
Add a little bit of alien nanobot manipulation/intervention (DNA) and now you can grow plants, fish, dinosaurs, apes, bigfoots or humans or xyz.
The reason humans have 1000's of genetic-disorders is because "somebody" slipped with the scalpel.
They believe you can't handle ANY this information. They are probably VERY correct.
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I totally agree!

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If you want additional proof?
The smallest virus or bacteria cell on Earth, still has several thousand/million atoms in it. Arranged in a VERY specific way.

Therefore open Windows Calc, enable scientific mode. Type in 1/4 million, and press the n! button.

Then clear the results. Then reduce that to 4000 and press the n! button again. LOL!

The answer for the probability it gives for even 100 random atoms over 14 billion years is still basically: un-possible!

The math is basically telling you straight up that something is VERY wrong here (and yet it STILL happened! )

and that's for only 1 dumb cell, now apply that to a whole complex-human. LOL!
The lava had some help...
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If you want additional proof?

The smallest virus or bacteria cell on Earth, still has several thousand/million atoms in it. Arranged in a VERY specific way.



Therefore open Windows Calc, enable scientific mode. Type in 1/4 million, and press the n! button.



Then clear the results. Then reduce that to 4000 and press the n! button again. LOL!



The answer for the probability it gives for even 100 random atoms over 14 billion years is still basically: un-possible!



The math is basically telling you straight up that something is VERY wrong here (and yet it STILL happened! )



and that's for only 1 dumb cell, now apply that to a whole complex-human. LOL!

The lava had some help...


Yeah like aliens or GOD... your choice! Lol


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I have a tracking number now, looks like the 7705 will arrive monday.

I pre-ordered my first UHD disc... MI:Fallout
No idea if the Atmos track will be any good or if the Dolby Vision works, but I guess I'll find out on Dec 4th.
Haven't seen it yet.

Now I just need Atmos speakers and a new projector. It just never ends...
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The UHD disc look sharper even if down sampled to 1080p. No one said it was a cheap hobby

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Bad news. There will be no nothing. End of thread.

On my way home, a momma deer ran out onto the road, I slowed down and moved into the fast lane in an attempt to dodge it,
but it made a dash for it, I took it's head clean off. I'm still in shock. I limped my vehicle the rest of the way home.
Glad you are OK - I HATE deer!

I used to live in Western NY with lots of corn fields next to the road - those deer would just jump out in front of you. I hit three! The first two resulted in totalling my 1967 Cougar but I ENJOYED the third! I was driving a fire engine to a mutual aid call in the next town. I was going about 70 and a deer jumped out in front of the truck - that thing just sailed back into the field. When I got set up, I was able to take a look at the front bumper - you could CLEARLY see where the deer hit the bumper...which was a chromed "U" shape of 5/8 steel. After losing my Cougar, that made me SMILE!!!

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Glad you are OK - I HATE deer!

I used to live in Western NY with lots of corn fields next to the road - those deer would just jump out in front of you. I hit three! The first two resulted in totalling my 1967 Cougar but I ENJOYED the third! I was driving a fire engine to a mutual aid call in the next town. I was going about 70 and a deer jumped out in front of the truck - that thing just sailed back into the field. When I got set up, I was able to take a look at the front bumper - you could CLEARLY see where the deer hit the bumper...which was a chromed "U" shape of 5/8 steel. After losing my Cougar, that made me SMILE!!!

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Thank god I was driving a truck. It's the only reason I'm still alive...

I was fully loaded too. I had 2 passengers, 2 dogs, and the cab and bed loaded full of gifts, luggage, food and shelving units.

I was so heavy that on impact I didn't even feel it.
I was going down a steep hill in the snow at full freeway speeds at night.

I was able to reduce my speed by 25% and that was the only thing that stopped my bumper from going through my front tires. My grill vaporized into cubes it was so cold outside, but the grill somehow stopped it from hitting the rad (the grill is plastic I learned); and so I was able to drive the rest of the way without needing to call a tow truck. I was about 45 minutes out of town in the middle of nowhere.

If it were a car, I'm pretty sure me and the front passenger would have died on the spot as 00's lbs of meat came through the windshield at full freeway speed.

That was the damage caused by a small young female deer. Couldn't have been more than 3.5ft tall.
Hitting a +10ft male bigfoot would definitely ruin your day!
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My dad hit a deer last week. The antlers left marks up the hood as it flew over the suv. Totaled it. Such an annoying situation to deal with. Can't the deer just be slightly smarter and know they need to look both ways before crossing the road?
That reminds me of this gem:

"Becoming educated is more than just acquiring knowledge. It involves the ability to see the world in ways never before conceived."
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OMG I almost spewed cola outta my nose!!!
I suppose she thinks as well that the deer don't/won't cross where the sign isn't placed. LOL!

I sure hope the 7705 arrives monday, the suspense is killing me.
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It has arrived. Which means I'm now 75% done the 4K/Atmos upgrade.





Now I just have to figure out how to use the damn thing. LOL!
Test out the PQ and SQ.
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Well I got the basics of it working.
I updated it to the newest FW, activated all the XLR outputs with the correct distances, and watched a 1080P DTS 5.1 movie upmixed to DTS 7.2.4 NeuralX.
I also tried Auro3D upmix, and DolbySurround upmixed to 7.2.4
SQ is perfectly acceptable in all cases. Auro deactivates the rear speakers so I don't think I'll ever use that mode.

PQ is basically bit-perfect as well. I connected my HTPC which does 4K 60Hz, worked perfectly.

So far I'm happy with it.

Now I just need to buy a 4K Laser projector to complete the 4K upgrade.

Haven't figured out how to enable the custom picture modes, they don't seem to be doing anything, it's like it's stuck in HDMI video bypass mode.
Haven't tested 2Ch HDMI music on it yet either, but my Motu's handle my 2Ch music so I don't really need the Marantz for that (it's for movies-only).

Just waiting now for Fallout to come out on the 4th, that's my 1st UHD disc purchase. Need that to test real Atmos objects.
I suppose technically I could play an Atmos demo file in JRiver from the HTPC over HDMI to test those functions tonight.

The IMAX Enhanced firmware won't be out until the new year supposedly, no idea what that will bring, but it's free so I can't complain.
No idea when I'll be able to get around to test Dolby Vision support either.

This thing has more features than I need, or will likely ever use... LOL
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Watch a Netflix HDR or 4K movie.

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Well I got the basics of it working.
I updated it to the newest FW, activated all the XLR outputs with the correct distances, and watched a 1080P DTS 5.1 movie upmixed to DTS 7.2.4 NeuralX.
I also tried Auro3D upmix, and DolbySurround upmixed to 7.2.4
SQ is perfectly acceptable in all cases. Auro deactivates the rear speakers so I don't think I'll ever use that mode.

PQ is basically bit-perfect as well. I connected my HTPC which does 4K 60Hz, worked perfectly.

So far I'm happy with it.

Now I just need to buy a 4K Laser projector to complete the 4K upgrade.

Haven't figured out how to enable the custom picture modes, they don't seem to be doing anything, it's like it's stuck in HDMI video bypass mode.
Haven't tested 2Ch HDMI music on it yet either, but my Motu's handle my 2Ch music so I don't really need the Marantz for that (it's for movies-only).

Just waiting now for Fallout to come out on the 4th, that's my 1st UHD disc purchase. Need that to test real Atmos objects.
I suppose technically I could play an Atmos demo file in JRiver from the HTPC over HDMI to test those functions tonight.

The IMAX Enhanced firmware won't be out until the new year supposedly, no idea what that will bring, but it's free so I can't complain.
No idea when I'll be able to get around to test Dolby Vision support either.

This thing has more features than I need, or will likely ever use... LOL

I may have missed it, but what did you decide to do as far as ATMOS speakers?
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I may have missed it, but what did you decide to do as far as ATMOS speakers?
I was thinking Beyma's and possibly Fostex's as those are 100db/w/m. Not sure how deep into the bass I want them to extend just yet...
It will be a ultra low-profile design though as I only want to consume about 4 inches of depth (including the wood) ideally...

My budget is sort-of unlimited, so I don't care too much what it costs. It just has to be high-quality and low-profile.

Another alternative would be Aurum Cantus G3's, but I don't want to really experiment with tweeters I haven't used before...
https://www.parts-express.com/aurum-...eeter--276-412
Decisions... Decisions...
Damn these first worlder problems! (hehe )

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Watch a Netflix HDR or 4K movie.

All of the Atmos objects and 7.2.4 XLR outputs are working. Excellent Smithers!
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