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NEW Diysoundgroup Volts!

Saw this today....can't wait!


MARCH 21, 2018
"New Volts are coming soon. We've been working for about 5 months on some new Volt models that use Celestion compression drivers. All sizes are complete and I should have photos of the kits uploaded in a couple days. They still use the same Eminence woofers and Matt spent a lot of time timbre matching the new designs to sound the same as the previous version. However, the previous models will still be available if you've ordered some in the past and simply need a couple more to finish your theater room. I'll be posting more information soon on why we decided to change compression drivers and upload photos of the custom model that Celestion made for us."
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"New Volts are coming soon. We've been working for about 5 months on some new Volt models that use Celestion compression drivers. All sizes are complete and I should have photos of the kits uploaded in a couple days. They still use the same Eminence woofers and Matt spent a lot of time timbre matching the new designs to sound the same as the previous version. However, the previous models will still be available if you've ordered some in the past and simply need a couple more to finish your theater room. I'll be posting more information soon on why we decided to change compression drivers and upload photos of the custom model that Celestion made for us."
So what is the benefit of the new vs the old?

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So what is the benefit of the new vs the old?

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EricH will have the answer.
I mean sure, but I assumed OP would know since he was so excited.

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maybe smoother on axis response more suitable for front LCR?

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Aaaaand my volts I haven't even finished are already obsolete!
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"New Volts are coming soon. We've been working for about 5 months on some new Volt models that use Celestion compression drivers. All sizes are complete and I should have photos of the kits uploaded in a couple days. They still use the same Eminence woofers and Matt spent a lot of time timbre matching the new designs to sound the same as the previous version. However, the previous models will still be available if you've ordered some in the past and simply need a couple more to finish your theater room. I'll be posting more information soon on why we decided to change compression drivers and upload photos of the custom model that Celestion made for us."


I’m betting these will be a better match for the Titans being celestion compression drivers Eh @mtg90 ? Can’t wait to hear more.
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Well that explains why all the Volts are showing out of stock.

Is there going to be a price bump from the old ones?

Old driver
"Denovo Audio DNA-150: $19.75"

Is the difference worth swapping out the drivers? Same crossover?

Frankly I'm stunned how good the Volt 10LXs sound now.
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I’m betting these will be a better match for the Titans being celestion compression drivers Eh @mtg90 ? Can’t wait to hear more.
I hope this is the case... I'm planning on using the Titans as my LCR and the Volts as my surrounds & atmos speakers.
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I hope this is the case... I'm planning on using the Titans as my LCR and the Volts as my surrounds & atmos speakers.


That is exactly what I am running and it’s pretty darn seamless. I’m just the guy who will ‘upgrade’ for that last 5% of performance if it’s there.
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"Well that explains why all the Volts are showing out of stock.

Is there going to be a price bump from the old ones?

Old driver
"Denovo Audio DNA-150: $19.75"

Is the difference worth swapping out the drivers? Same crossover?"

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That is exactly what I am running and it’s pretty darn seamless. I’m just the guy who will ‘upgrade’ for that last 5% of performance if it’s there.
I'm looking at your avatar, and I think I believe you!


Oh, and thanks for saving me a little money... I probably would have tried to shove some volt 10's in my ceiling as well...
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I think Erich has had some supply and supplier issues with custom drivers in the past... things like delays, huge minimum orders, or suppliers outright holding designs hostage for more money.

So switching to an off-the-self product, or to a reliable manufacturer, can make a big difference for Erich.
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I'm looking at your avatar, and I think I believe you!


Oh, and thanks for saving me a little money... I probably would have tried to shove some volt 10's in my ceiling as well...
If I can ever get work to leave me alone, I'm planning to put Volt-10's in my ceiling. It's the only one you can use IB and still cross at 80hz....safely.
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The Volts have been out almost 5 years, so it's been a while. I've mentioned a couple times that those small neo magnet compression drivers were harder and harder to get and I was hoping to make the change a year ago. I took the raw DNA-150's off the site last year because there just weren't enough to go around. Then the manufacturer wanted to raise prices by a lot, wait times increased, etc. Then last year I put in an order and they shipped me a completely different model. It was smaller and tested good, but of course we couldn't use it for the Volts. They don't give your money back when that happens, so those are still sitting here. I reordered again and got enough of the originals to last for a while. That's when I decided I was tired of dealing with things like that. Honestly it's just really....really stressful.

Last year I talked to Matt about switching all of them over to new compression drivers and we started testing different models. Two stood out. One was the Celestion CDX1-1010 and the other was the 1446 (1446 ended up being customized). We were happy with the 1010 because even though it was heavier than the DNA-150, it was actually shallower. Used on the Volt-6 it allows for some *really* shallow cabinets, even cabinets that fit in a 4" deep wall! That's a big plus. The crossover worked out great too.

The 1446 was going to get used for the Volt-8/10 and I told Matt if there were any changes needed, I'd see if Celestion would do anything. So a few weeks later I talked to them about getting a custom 1446 model that worked the way we wanted. They said they'd talk to the engineer but I didn't expect much too happen. After a couple months without hearing anything I figured it was a no go. But then I got an unexpected package from DHL that had the Celestion logo on the outside from the UK. Awesome. They sent the custom "Engineering Samples" for testing along with some other stuff. I'll post some photos later, but long story short we approved them and we're good to go.


Options we debated after getting the new driver:

1: The larger custom 1446 on all models, end of story.
2: Custom 1446 on all models, but then the CDX-1010 on all Atmos models to give them really shallow enclosures.
3: Custom 1446 on all models, but optional shallow 1010 on just the Volt-6.

We decided on the 4th option for now to keep it simple: Custom 1446 on the Volt-8 and Volt-10 only. The CDX1-1010 on the Volt-6 only. That way if someone needs a really shallow enclosure it might as well be the smaller Volt-6.

This was a pretty big project. Matt spent a lot of time nailing down the sound on these, so there aren't going to be any issues there. The only downside is the extra weight versus the tiny neo magnet DNA-150. I purposely took the Volts out of stock early so that I could hold a decent number of past drivers in case anyone needs some in the future. There's never been one fail, I'm just talking about if someone bought two kits and needs two more to finish out their room or something like that.

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We decided on the 4th option for now to keep it simple: Custom 1446 on the Volt-8 and Volt-10 only. The CDX1-1010 on the Volt-6 only. That way if someone needs a really shallow enclosure it might as well be the smaller Volt-6.
You had me at 4 inches. :x I wasn't even in the market for replacing my surrounds, but that definitely piqued my interest. Sounds like a great choice and with good, sound reasoning. Looking forward to seeing these new volts.
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Shallow box V6's is what I want for surrounds in the cave . . .

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The Volts have been out almost 5 years, so it's been a while. I've mentioned a couple times that those small neo magnet compression drivers were harder and harder to get and I was hoping to make the change a year ago. I took the raw DNA-150's off the site last year because there just weren't enough to go around. Then the manufacturer wanted to raise prices by a lot, wait times increased, etc. Then last year I put in an order and they shipped me a completely different model. It was smaller and tested good, but of course we couldn't use it for the Volts. They don't give your money back when that happens, so those are still sitting here. I reordered again and got enough of the originals to last for a while. That's when I decided I was tired of dealing with things like that. Honestly it's just really....really stressful.



Last year I talked to Matt about switching all of them over to new compression drivers and we started testing different models. Two stood out. One was the Celestion CDX1-1010 and the other was the 1446 (1446 ended up being customized). We were happy with the 1010 because even though it was heavier than the DNA-150, it was actually shallower. Used on the Volt-6 it allows for some *really* shallow cabinets, even cabinets that fit in a 4" deep wall! That's a big plus. The crossover worked out great too.



The 1446 was going to get used for the Volt-8/10 and I told Matt if there were any changes needed, I'd see if Celestion would do anything. So a few weeks later I talked to them about getting a custom 1446 model that worked the way we wanted. They said they'd talk to the engineer but I didn't expect much too happen. After a couple months without hearing anything I figured it was a no go. But then I got an unexpected package from DHL that had the Celestion logo on the outside from the UK. Awesome. They sent the custom "Engineering Samples" for testing along with some other stuff. I'll post some photos later, but long story short we approved them and we're good to go.





Options we debated after getting the new driver:



1: The larger custom 1446 on all models, end of story.

2: Custom 1446 on all models, but then the CDX-1010 on all Atmos models to give them really shallow enclosures.

3: Custom 1446 on all models, but optional shallow 1010 on just the Volt-6.



We decided on the 4th option for now to keep it simple: Custom 1446 on the Volt-8 and Volt-10 only. The CDX1-1010 on the Volt-6 only. That way if someone needs a really shallow enclosure it might as well be the smaller Volt-6.



This was a pretty big project. Matt spent a lot of time nailing down the sound on these, so there aren't going to be any issues there. The only downside is the extra weight versus the tiny neo magnet DNA-150. I purposely took the Volts out of stock early so that I could hold a decent number of past drivers in case anyone needs some in the future. There's never been one fail, I'm just talking about if someone bought two kits and needs two more to finish out their room or something like that.


Thanks @Eric H for the update.
One question...would the new volt-8s be deeper than the previous ones? If so, by how much? I think the previous one was 5.125 inches.


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"even cabinets that fit in a 4" deep wall!"

Maybe a sweet DIYSG soundbar with those volt 6's?
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Could that elusive 12" cube Volt-10 straight sealed flat pack of 1/2" Baltic birch be part of the Volt refresh?

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I take that based on the discussion, there is no reason to upgrade the current Volt-10LX from performance perspective. I'm too lazy to upgrade my 8 x Volt-10LX.
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One question...would the new volt-8s be deeper than the previous ones? If so, by how much? I think the previous one was 5.125 inches.


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I take that based on the discussion, there is no reason to upgrade the current Volt-10LX from performance perspective. I'm too lazy to upgrade my 8 x Volt-10LX.
Yes I wouldn't bother upgrading from the Volt-10LX to the Volt-10 v2, especially for surrounds as you likely won't notice too much of a difference there.

The main change I'd say the redesigned Volts have is a more balanced/neutral top end, reducing the bit of shrill that the older volt designs had without loosing detail.
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I was looking for two more Volt-10LX to finish my theater........Do we have a time frame when these going to be up for sale on the site ?

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I can understand the use of coaxial speakers for the ceilings, but what about the side walls? For an atmos layout we were thinking 10 volts on the ceiling in a Atmos/DTS/Auro cross compatibility config (but mostly designed for atmos). We might throw in a few extra drivers like a VOG for future use.

3 side wall speakers on each side (wide, surround, rear surround). 5 screen wall speakers (titans). Also maybe 1 pair of rear wall speakers.

For the surround speakers, which route would you guys go and why? Volts for off axis response but won't they have more ceiling and floor reflections? Something with a waveguide? Something like a helix ribbon?

If someone would post a serious pro-con discussion it would be great, we are trying to get our sketch-up drawing done to really have an idea of wall depths.

Another question regarding volts: do they need a box or have to angled or would they would do just as well mounted flush within the wall? For decorative purposes we will likely have some sort of wall system to conceal all speakers but this hasn't been planned out just jet.

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I can understand the use of coaxial speakers for the ceilings, but what about the side walls? For an atmos layout we were thinking 10 volts on the ceiling in a Atmos/DTS/Auro cross compatibility config (but mostly designed for atmos). We might throw in a few extra drivers like a VOG for future use.

3 side wall speakers on each side (wide, surround, rear surround). 5 screen wall speakers (titans). Also maybe 1 pair of rear wall speakers.

For the surround speakers, which route would you guys go and why? Volts for off axis response but won't they have more ceiling and floor reflections? Something with a waveguide? Something like a helix ribbon?

If someone would post a serious pro-con discussion it would be great, we are trying to get our sketch-up drawing done to really have an idea of wall depths.

Another question regarding volts: do they need a box or have to angled or would they would do just as well mounted flush within the wall? For decorative purposes we will likely have some sort of wall system to conceal all speakers but this hasn't been planned out just jet.
If you are worried about ceiling/floor reflections, you could go with HTM-6s for surrounds, or the HTM-8s when they come out. I would personally prefer to have identical speakers for the entire surround/ceiling field, but without the ability to properly A/B compare, it's hard to say which is better.
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Congratulations to @mtg90 and @Erich H on the new designs! Those super shallow Volt-6's will be a game changer for many folks! I'm looking forward to seeing the photos and hearing some feedback from owners when the time comes.
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Then last year I put in an order and they shipped me a completely different model. It was smaller and tested good, but of course we couldn't use it for the Volts. They don't give your money back when that happens, so those are still sitting here.
I'm still stuck on this statement. They shipped something different than what you ordered, and somehow it's YOUR problem?!? Wow.
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I'm still stuck on this statement. They shipped something different than what you ordered, and somehow it's YOUR problem?!? Wow.
Lol, I read that and had the exact same thought. Freaking rediculous.

As for the new Volts. Great news. I love my Volt 8s and will definitely be adding more for Atmos when the time is right.

Thanks @mtg90

and

@ErichH

Typed on a tiny keyboard, excuse any typos

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