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So I'm new to this forum. Was the lms 5400 the ultimate sub? Nothing has matched it yet?

What made it standout?


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What was the price of the LMS 5400? Can’t seem to find it but I heard it was expensive


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I believe they were $750-1000.
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What was the price of the LMS 5400? Can’t seem to find it but I heard it was expensive


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$500 Nah, I believe they were $800-$900 each. Pricey.
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Any updates from fi


Kinda depends on what you are looking for, the HT3 is staying, Scott is just trying to shave a little off the cost. He is working on another sub that will meet the higher end specs that some people want/need, but that sub won’t be for everyone.


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What was the price of the LMS 5400? Can’t seem to find it but I heard it was expensive


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Kind of gaudy as it often retailed around $1000, at the time it had little competition though, in todays arena they'd still be a high end option but its no long alone either.


I'll look forward to the Fi HT-Ultra option =D. I think the HT3 is good at its price point to be perfectly fair.
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Kind of gaudy as it often retailed around $1000, at the time it had little competition though, in todays arena they'd still be a high end option but its no long alone either.


I'll look forward to the Fi HT-Ultra option =D. I think the HT3 is good at its price point to be perfectly fair.

The LMS was expensive, but it had many innovations that were costly to implement. While there are other drivers out there that will have more excursion and headroom than the LMS, most do not have all of the same qualities that set the LMS apart from others.



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The LMS was expensive, but it had many innovations that were costly to implement. While there are other drivers out there that will have more excursion and headroom than the LMS, most do not have all of the same qualities that set the LMS apart from others.

I agree with you, building a costly subwoofer and expecting to stay in business is tough to do.


The remark at the gaudy price was more of a tongue in cheek comment, at the time it was the unicorn of drivers.
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To bad Scott from FI can’t just build something very close to what they do for JTR and sell it. He knows what he’s doing for Jeff make the sub a little different so there’s no issues legally with JTR. That’s what everyone wants the same driver he’s using in 4000 ulf This would sell. Being a company that makes subs and asking what do guys want even though he already makes drivers for a home theater company makes me confused about FI
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To bad Scott from FI can’t just build something very close to what they do for JTR and sell it. He knows what he’s doing for Jeff make the sub a little different so there’s no issues legally with JTR. That’s what everyone wants the same driver he’s using in 4000 ulf This would sell. Being a company that makes subs and asking what do guys want even though he already makes drivers for a home theater company makes me confused about FI

Fi did make the sub we asked for. This whole thing started because people wanted something that matched the UM 18 and that’s the HT1. They were never told that people wanted a really high end option like the HST 18 and LMS 5400 which are in completely different leagues than the UM 18.


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Fi did make the sub we asked for. This whole thing started because people wanted something that matched the UM 18 and that’s the HT1. They were never told that people wanted a really high end option like the HST 18 and LMS 5400 which are in completely different leagues then the UM 18.


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To bad Scott from FI can’t just build something very close to what they do for JTR and sell it. He knows what he’s doing for Jeff make the sub a little different so there’s no issues legally with JTR. That’s what everyone wants the same driver he’s using in 4000 ulf This would sell. Being a company that makes subs and asking what do guys want even though he already makes drivers for a home theater company makes me confused about FI
I thought JTR was using some derivatives of the Fi SP4 driver which are/were available for about $550? (with ferrite magnets). But if Fi is getting out of the OEM business who will be supplying JTR?

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I thought JTR was using some derivatives of the Fi SP4 driver which are/were available for about $550? (with ferrite magnets). But if Fi is getting out of the OEM business who will be supplying JTR?

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Are they really getting out of the OEM market or were they finishing OEM orders before making the HT options?

BTW I think it was smart to come out with these options first before coming out with an ultra option.


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Pretty much positive that was a canceled order that he picked up. That's why I said to watch their FB page. They post any time that happens and you can get the drivers at a huge discount.
Same with parts express open box and rfurbished deals. Every once in a while you can get a decent deal.

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Question, does anyone here mind the look of a traditional triple stacked motor? Scott says he can probably save some money on the HT3 by switching to that design.
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Any updates from fi


Kinda depends on what you are looking for, the HT3 is staying, Scott is just trying to shave a little off the cost. He is working on another sub that will meet the higher end specs that some people want/need, but that sub won’t be for everyone.


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Hmmm. Any inkling of an idea what this will be like...if outperforms the hst 18 and will be ready to sell soon, I'd wait. If not I'll turn my attention to Nick.

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Ultra, meaning it will play cleanly up to past 200hz and wont have an inductance hump as the RF, Ultra and Daytons do?

For me I tend to go with value but shipping has killed me from purchasing some choices. HT1 is a great value for me but I tend to like pro audio drivers more than HT drivers with high inductance. That being said I have not tried everything so I am not saying all sound bad. Just the ones I have heard did not sound as good as my 21SW152s.

Making an Ultra like driver would be nice and I think thats what Funk did with some of his ideas. I would love to own a pair of TC 5100's but that will probably never happen either. So I am always interested in low inductance clean drivers at reasonable prices. As long as they are not too heavy they are still viable options for me.
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but I tend to like pro audio drivers more than HT drivers with high inductance. That being said I have not tried everything so I am not saying all sound bad. Just the ones I have heard did not sound as good as my 21SW152s.
Ive crossed over into your lane as far as the pro drivers go. Ive had the UM,SHO, and had Pierce make me a few drivers. I was unsure what to expect tuning the B&C so low but they bring it and sound great while doing so. Lack of ringing is what immediately stood out to me. Below 20 hz has a little less weight to it, but that may be lack of distortion and ringing to my ears. Id like to hear the TC's but Id say thats never going to happen.
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I also wonder if FI are going to be building 21's in the future. This "plus,"sizes was mentioned but I wasnt sure what size they meant.

Is there an 18"HT sub that does well up to 300hz other than ones that are out of production other than the RF lineup. Still impressed by the specs of those monsters but they are about 2000+ from what Ricci said I think.
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If the folks at Fi get really feisty, they could attempt @diy speaker guy 's idea for a neo Differential Drive 32" assembled mainly from off-the-shelf parts:

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So would anyone disagree that the Fi Audio SP4 is a better subwoofer speaker than HST 18. Help me understand the specs that i'm looking at on both sites, what is better for the HST 18?

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Its called, cheap candy. I would never make a driver specifically for what people want on here for your exact thoughts. You would end up building it, then they will scoff at the company trying to make money to stay in business.
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So would anyone disagree that the Fi Audio SP4 is a better subwoofer speaker than HST 18. Help me understand the specs that i'm looking at on both sites, what is better for the HST 18?
I wouldn't disagree.
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One question that I have is the comparative motor strength of the Fi HT1 vs. the UM18, as these are supposed to be very similar drivers. The HT1 shows a BL of 18.7 while the UM18 is posted at 23.8. Are there other factors to consider, or does this show that the UM18 has a stronger, more capable motor?
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One question that I have is the comparative motor strength of the Fi HT1 vs. the UM18, as these are supposed to be very similar drivers. The HT1 shows a BL of 18.7 while the UM18 is posted at 23.8. Are there other factors to consider, or does this show that the UM18 has a stronger, more capable motor?
need to look at bl^2/re, not just bl.
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@Buddylee123 , "Question, does anyone here mind the look of a traditional triple stacked motor? Scott says he can probably save some money on the HT3 by switching to that design."

I actually prefer the triple stack, but in the end it will be inside of the enclosure, so I am indifferent there.
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need to look at bl^2/re, not just bl.
Thanks, so if I did this correctly, that would be a value of:

HT1- 124.89
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