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15" affordable alternative?
No info yet. I will do my best to grab that information with direct links when they become available in the first post.
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There has been a lot of discussion about the new Fi HT line of subwoofer drivers here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...ternative.html

As it appears Scott is moving forward with the HT dedicated lines, I thought it would help if there was a thread with an appropriate title where people could bookmark or easily search for information on them.

As some may know, I just completed 2 of 4 subwoofers using a previous generation of the Fi Q that was modified for HT duty. I am excited to see Scott moving toward this market and look forward to seeing what he comes up with.

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Chris, you should ask Scott where your subs would fall in line with these 3 new versions.
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Chris, you should ask Scott where your subs would fall in line with these 3 new versions.
That is a great question. I haven't spoken to Scott in years. Maybe when he gets caught up with the previous orders and gets the new line up I will reach out to him.
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I am very curious what the goals will be for the SP4 variants and what they manage for a final price. I am trying to see how I can squeeze an 18" sub in somewhere. Shipping isnt that bad at all on the standard HT1. Definitely intrigued to see what these HT2/3 will end up weighing.
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Got an update on availability

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Speaking of availability, the UM18-22s are showing as in stock too. To pull the trigger, or to wait for "getting closer"... Decisions, decisions.
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I personally would wait for the FI subs. Looking forward to seeing the HT2/3 simulations.
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It's been a couple weeks; any updates? I don't mean to bug you, @Buddylee123 , or Fi, but I should have my cabinet finished this week and I'm dying to get everything finished

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It's been a couple weeks; any updates? I don't mean to bug you, @Buddylee123 , or Fi, but I should have my cabinet finished this week and I'm dying to get everything finished


I haven’t heard anything. I would send them a message on Facebook. It would probably help if other people did that so they know people are interested.


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I haven’t heard anything. I would send them a message on Facebook. It would probably help if other people did that so they know people are interested.


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I sent them a message. Hopefully they respond with some good news.
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They have a contact us link on their website, which I used. Got a response back same day. They are still working on fulfilling OEM orders and will not release Home Theater until they are caught up and can handle the demand of a new product. No actual date was given other than soon, which I can understand.
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What a long.... strange trip it's been!!!
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Yep, that's the same response I got via Facebook. Decided not to post back here right away so that more people would message them to express the demand.

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Same response I got.
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From their Facebook page:

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We just wanted to say “thanks” to all of our customers for their immense patience while we catch up after finishing off all of our old OEM orders.

We had hoped to be caught back up to our normal 10-15 business day lead time but are still in the 20-25 day range. Delays with vendors (Steel, magnets, sand) along with just the general mayhem of too many hours have taken its toll. We are catching up 1-2 business days per week and should be back on track in about 4 weeks.

Thanks for the support and understanding while we look ahead to a “Fi Only” build schedule from here on out 👍🏼🇺🇸
So it seems it'll be at least 6 weeks until one could show up at your door The UM18s are still in stock...
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There has been a lot of discussion about the new Fi HT line of subwoofer drivers here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...ternative.html

As it appears Scott is moving forward with the HT dedicated lines, I thought it would help if there was a thread with an appropriate title where people could bookmark or easily search for information on them.

As some may know, I just completed 2 of 4 subwoofers using a previous generation of the Fi Q that was modified for HT duty. I am excited to see Scott moving toward this market and look forward to seeing what he comes up with.

Chris

Almost time for you to update the first post...
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According to the FB post on these drivers, Fi said these will bottom the coil a 2.8" peak to peak. So 35mm is the danger zone on travel. Fi also confirmed these need an EIGHT cubic foot box for a .71 QTC. Also, they warn that this isn't a conservative rating, it will do what they say and that's it.

Might not be the UM killer after all.
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Might not be the UM killer after all.
Although a close rival to the UM would be awesome, I'm pretty sure the target with the HT1 sub was to jump in place of the SI 18. If that value can be matched or beaten in terms of output per $, then I'd say mission accomplished.

If Fi can match or beat the UM with a HT2 at a close price point, then I'd say they would be batting 2 for 2. I'd guess the HT3 would be targeting the HST-like market if we see that as well. Options are a great thing, especially when you can have an option to buy American.

Best of luck to Fi on this product venture!!
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Might not be the UM killer after all.

Is a price known yet? In most cases 35 mm Xmax (p-p) is more than enough. In my case, the 18" driver never will reach its Xmax because the electronic limit is reached first. To make full use of the Xmax (@25 Hz) of the UM and get a Qtc of 0,7 the enclosure has to be 10 cubic feet
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According to the FB post on these drivers, Fi said these will bottom the coil a 2.8" peak to peak. So 35mm is the danger zone on travel. Fi also confirmed these need an EIGHT cubic foot box for a .71 QTC. Also, they warn that this isn't a conservative rating, it will do what they say and that's it.



Might not be the UM killer after all.


What’s the danger zone on the UM18?


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Is a price known yet? In most cases 35 mm Xmax (p-p) is more than enough. In my case, the 18" driver never will reach its Xmax because the electronic limit is reached first. To make full use of the Xmax (@25 Hz) of the UM and get a Qtc of 0,7 the enclosure has to be 10 cubic feet


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Ricci didn't find the danger zone, but noted it was beyond 35mm in his testing.

Needing an 8 cubic foot box for the same QTC as the UM18 hits in a 4 though tells us it has a substantially weaker motor.

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Is a price known yet? In most cases 35 mm Xmax (p-p) is more than enough. In my case, the 18" driver never will reach its Xmax because the electronic limit is reached first. To make full use of the Xmax (@25 Hz) of the UM and get a Qtc of 0,7 the enclosure has to be 10 cubic feet

35mm isn't the xmax, that's the point where the coil slams the backplate, that's the kill range. Like I said, that part isn't a negative (8mm from xmax to xmech is fine.), I was just sharing what info was given in comments by fi on the post. Also, the UM18 gets a QTC of .72 in a 4 cubic foot box. This driver needs 8 cubes to hit .71. To put that in perspective, the UM18 gets a QTC of .62 in a 7 cubic foot. Quite a difference.

Waiting to hear back from Fi on what they used to rate the xmax.

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Although a close rival to the UM would be awesome, I'm pretty sure the target with the HT1 sub was to jump in place of the SI 18. If that value can be matched or beaten in terms of output per $, then I'd say mission accomplished.

If Fi can match or beat the UM with a HT2 at a close price point, then I'd say they would be batting 2 for 2. I'd guess the HT3 would be targeting the HST-like market if we see that as well. Options are a great thing, especially when you can have an option to buy American.

Best of luck to Fi on this product venture!!
It's can't match in output per dollar with the HT18 v2, but then again at that price point it'd pretty much be impossible to do so.

I'll be curious to see the HT2, but I'm not sure how they'd be able to come in at a similar price to the UM18. The HT1 is already pretty close to that price. I'm thinking the HT2 will be closer to what the OP here was given, as we now know that driver is clearly not the HT1. The HT1 may still be a solid value if you don't mind a huge box though.

I inquired with Fi on if they're going to be using anything to combat inductance in these drivers now as well. I'm legitimately curious and hoping we nice a strong showing from Fi here on the new HT series. It's been boring telling everyone who asks about an 18 for the under $500 budget to buy a UM18.

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Ricci didn't find the danger zone, but noted it was beyond 35mm in his testing.

Needing an 8 cubic foot box for the same QTC as the UM18 hits in a 4 though tells us it has a substantially weaker motor.




35mm isn't the xmax, that's the point where the coil slams the backplate, that's the kill range. Like I said, that part isn't a negative (8mm from xmax to xmech is fine.), I was just sharing what info was given in comments by fi on the post. Also, the UM18 gets a QTC of .72 in a 4 cubic foot box. This driver needs 8 cubes to hit .71. To put that in perspective, the UM18 gets a QTC of .62 in a 7 cubic foot. Quite a difference.

Waiting to hear back from Fi on what they used to rate the xmax.



It's can't match in output per dollar with the HT18 v2, but then again at that price point it'd pretty much be impossible to do so.

I'll be curious to see the HT2, but I'm not sure how they'd be able to come in at a similar price to the UM18. The HT1 is already pretty close to that price. I'm thinking the HT2 will be closer to what the OP here was given, as we now know that driver is clearly not the HT1. The HT1 may still be a solid value if you don't mind a huge box though.

I inquired with Fi on if they're going to be using anything to combat inductance in these drivers now as well. I'm legitimately curious and hoping we nice a strong showing from Fi here on the new HT series. It's been boring telling everyone who asks about an 18 for the under $500 budget to buy a UM18.
I just asked if he had the final specs for the HT1, we should get info on the HT2 tomorrow. He said he wants feedback from us and he will gladly accommodate what they can.
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I just asked if he had the final specs for the HT1, we should get info on the HT2 tomorrow. He said he wants feedback from us and he will gladly accommodate what they can.
I'd personally love to see a BL motor force of around 200 BL2/Res on the HT2 and a xmax of 35-38mm 1 way. If they can do that at 400-450, they'd have a SERIOUS winner on their hands.

For the HT3, I'd want to see a BL2/Res of closer to 250, xmax around 45 (or above) 1 way. priced around 600.

If all those can be achieved, they'd have no competitor at all for the HT2, and the HT3's closest competitor would be more expensive and less potent. Fi would be THE company for the DIY enthusiast.

Not holding my breath on it being possible due to cost issues, but if they did it, everyone would be buying.

:::Update:::

Fi has confirmed for me that the xmax rating is the point where it hits 70% BL. So that's rated on usable excursion rather than dayton's rating based on the gap (which is ultra conservative). So they both have very similar stroke.

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Fi has confirmed, nothing is used to combat inductance. Bad news there.

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I'd personally love to see a BL motor force of around 200 BL2/Res on the HT2 and a xmax of 35-38mm 1 way. If they can do that at 400-450, they'd have a SERIOUS winner on their hands.

For the HT3, I'd want to see a BL2/Res of closer to 250, xmax around 45 (or above) 1 way. priced around 600.

If all those can be achieved, they'd have no competitor at all for the HT2, and the HT3's closest competitor would be more expensive and less potent. Fi would be THE company for the DIY enthusiast.

Not holding my breath on it being possible due to cost issues, but if they did it, everyone would be buying.

:::Update:::

Fi has confirmed for me that the xmax rating is the point where it hits 70% BL. So that's rated on usable excursion rather than dayton's rating based on the gap (which is ultra conservative). So they both have very similar stroke.

:::Update 2:::

Fi has confirmed, nothing is used to combat inductance. Bad news there.
Pardon my ignorance but what is BL2/Res and how is that figure calculated? I know what BL is but I'm not sure what Res is an abbreviation for nor do I understand what the 2 is doing in there
I'm still working through room acoustics and haven't picked up my speaker design book yet.
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I'd personally love to see a BL motor force of around 200 BL2/Res on the HT2 and a xmax of 35-38mm 1 way. If they can do that at 400-450, they'd have a SERIOUS winner on their hands.



For the HT3, I'd want to see a BL2/Res of closer to 250, xmax around 45 (or above) 1 way. priced around 600.



If all those can be achieved, they'd have no competitor at all for the HT2, and the HT3's closest competitor would be more expensive and less potent. Fi would be THE company for the DIY enthusiast.



Not holding my breath on it being possible due to cost issues, but if they did it, everyone would be buying.



:::Update:::



Fi has confirmed for me that the xmax rating is the point where it hits 70% BL. So that's rated on usable excursion rather than dayton's rating based on the gap (which is ultra conservative). So they both have very similar stroke.



:::Update 2:::



Fi has confirmed, nothing is used to combat inductance. Bad news there.


Nothing used to combat inductance on the HT2 and HT3 or just the HT1? I know the HT1 doesn’t have an inductance ring.


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Nothing on the HT1 for it. Fi confirmed the next series has thick aluminum rings in the motor.

I'm assuming that means the HT 2 and 3 will have that covered.
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Nothing on the HT1 for it. Fi confirmed the next series has thick aluminum rings in the motor.

I'm assuming that means the HT 2 and 3 will have that covered.
Yes I was told that there wasn't room for it on the HT1 but that the HT2 and HT3 would have it, just wanted to see if things had changed. Does the UM 18 have an inductance ring?
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Pardon my ignorance but what is BL2/Res and how is that figure calculated? I know what BL is but I'm not sure what Res is an abbreviation for nor do I understand what the 2 is doing in there
I'm still working through room acoustics and haven't picked up my speaker design book yet.
BL to the second power divided by RE.

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Yes. Dual aluminum rings. Also copper sleeve and copper pole cap to assist with the task.

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So on paper the um18 is better at the same price?

Why would Fi not aim to best the um18? Even for a little more money. I mean it's hand made in America but that doesn't mean a buyer would sacrifice performance.
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