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LTD02-VBSS + mini-marty UM18 + NEW iNuke + a Bulldog named Diesel

Let me preface by saying this is 100% a home audio setup.

A few months ago I decided to purchase a UM18 and build a mini-marty cabinet for my home audio interests: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...d-diesel.html0

I enjoyed building a mini-marty and have been very impressed with the UM18, but for my home audio needs, the UM18 wasn't really doing what I needed. After more research, it was apparent that the VBSS setup was better for me, more specifically the 31hz version that @LTD02 developed. Again, this is strictly for a home audio setup. The UM18 in the mini-marty hits very low frequencies, enough to make me giggle, but... misses a lot of bass from my normal music.

Anyway, I'm starting the build process of a pair of 31hz tuned VBSS cabinets with the help of my bulldog, Diesel. I plan to power the dual VBSS's and the UM18 with the new Behringer amps when they are released. I'm using a pair of PA460s like the original VBSS design prescribed.
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I decided to use the PL3x this time.



Rough fitting of the panels

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I decided to us the PL3x this time.



Rough fitting of the panels

//what driver for vbss?
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//what driver for vbss?
In the first post:

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I'm using a pair of PA460s like the original VBSS design prescribed.
Original thread here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...gn-thread.html
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port looks too small!

what plan are you using?


edit: looks like the slot port version of the VBSS.


port is only 1.5" tall in that one. normally, I'd make the port a little larger, but I was trying to copy the vbss as closely as possible, but make a slot port version.


never mind me. must be tired. :-)

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Coincidentally i started building 4 of these today @LTD02 wondering how can i lower the tune , extending the port by how much to have 30hz tune
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//what driver for vbss?

I'm using the 18" PA460 woofer from Parts Express. I picked up a pair of them while they were on sale for $90. I'm thinking I might buy two more actually.... just to have.




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port looks too small!

what plan are you using?

edit: looks like the slot port version of the VBSS.

port is only 1.5" tall in that one. normally, I'd make the port a little larger, but I was trying to copy the vbss as closely as possible, but make a slot port version.

never mind me. must be tired. :-)



Yes, I'm using your slot port version of the VBSS. I've never been a fan of round ports. Plus, since this is audio only, I'm going with the 31hz version. Thanks again for taking the time to develop this new design. It's funny looking at it, aside from the 16.75" baffle cutout, this cabinet is pretty much just scaled-down version of the mini-marty. The port is only 1.5" tall, and 10.5" deep.






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Coincidentally i started building 4 of these today @LTD02 wondering how can i lower the tune , extending the port by how much to have 30hz tune

Check out the VBSS thread, specifically post #789 by LTD02. He has the designs specs for both a 31hz and 22hz slot ported cabinet. Within that, you can stuff the ports to lower the tuning frequency. If you're looking for 30hz as opposed to 31hz tuned, I would guess its only a matter of adding 1-2" of length onto the port.
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And just for reference, in my Mini-Marty thread, I had planned on getting an iNuke3k. I ended up not buying one because I was considering other options, and then this dual VBSS setup got started. So at this point, a iNuke6k would be more likely, but I'm also holding out for the new Behringer amps to come out. Has anyone heard any more info on them? Parts Express doesn't have them yet.



Few more pictures from test fitting the panels and the leftover pieces I can use for ports, corner/edge supports and braces:





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Plus, since this is audio only, I'm going with the 31hz version.
Well, what else would they be for? Certainly not video...

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So at this point, a iNuke6k would be more likely, but I'm also holding out for the new Behringer amps to come out. Has anyone heard any more info on them? Parts Express doesn't have them yet.
Nobody has them yet from the searching I have done. But do note, I haven't seen mention of a DSP version in the new line either, so if you anticipate needing that (I know I do) the wait could be even longer.

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Yes, I would want the DSP version.


I vaguely remember seeing a link a few weeks ago in another thread about the new iNuke replacements... I think there is a vendor that has them for sale, but maybe not as reputable of a vendor. Or maybe they were just taking preorders.


Either way, yes, I would want a DSP version and to be able to buy it from Parts Express or someone else similar in case I have issues with it.
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Here's the thread I was referring to with the new Behringer power amps: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...000-black.html
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Here's the thread I was referring to with the new Behringer power amps: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...000-black.html
Lots of posts in that thread speculate that only the casing has changed- with internals being the same. We’ll have to wait until somebody gets one and is able to check into this for us. ☹️
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Lots of posts in that thread speculate that only the casing has changed- with internals being the same. We’ll have to wait until somebody gets one and is able to check into this for us. ☹️

Yeah, I came to that conclusion too... pretty much the same iNukes with just a different colored case.







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I made some more progress. I used some scrap pieces to glue onto the bottom panels to help with corner/edge supports.






Can anyone see what I did wrong though?








Diesel helping me inspect the PA460s


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I made some more progress. It's a little more fun building these than the Mini-marty. Between the panels being smaller and easier to work with, and having more experience.


I made some 22" braces to keep the side panels square while the PL3x was clamping and drying





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Ports glued in... these pieces are 10.5" long for the 31hz tune version


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Thanks for all the pictures and detail in your build progress! Funny enough, i am going through the same build process... i am in progress with 2 VBSS and will start on a mini or full marty this weekend. Your threads have helped!

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Thanks for all the pictures and detail in your build progress! Funny enough, i am going through the same build process... i am in progress with 2 VBSS and will start on a mini or full marty this weekend. Your threads have helped!

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Got some more work done. The PL3x definitely dries much faster than the liquid nails I used last time around. Although I'm not sure how much I like the wet/greasy look the PL3x leaves behind where you wipe it off.




I was very pleased and impressed with how this corner fit together:






Cabinets coming together - test fitting the final panels, the baffles:



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Measuring baffle holes for the woofers:




For future VBSS builders, 16.75" is a little too BIG of a cutout in my opinion. There was a .125" gap around the entire circumference of the woofer. I think 16.625" would be better. Or measure 16.75", but cut inside your line.








Test fitting the baffles again with cutout:


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I got the pleasure of dealing with these little guys. Perhaps 2" brad nails were a little too much. That's what pliers and wood filler are for.




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Let me preface by saying this is 100% a home audio setup.

A few months ago I decided to purchase a UM18 and build a mini-marty cabinet for my home audio interests: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...d-diesel.html0

I enjoyed building a mini-marty and have been very impressed with the UM18, but for my home audio needs, the UM18 wasn't really doing what I needed. After more research, it was apparent that the VBSS setup was better for me, more specifically the 31hz version that @LTD02 developed. Again, this is strictly for a home audio setup. The UM18 in the mini-marty hits very low frequencies, enough to make me giggle, but... misses a lot of bass from my normal music.

Anyway, I'm starting the build process of a pair of 31hz tuned VBSS cabinets with the help of my bulldog, Diesel. I plan to power the dual VBSS's and the UM18 with the new Behringer amps when they are released. I'm using a pair of PA460s like the original VBSS design prescribed.
31hz is a pretty high tuning frequency for home theater subs, why not tune lower?

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After the cabinets were assembled, I spent some time thinking about bracing. I went with a modified window brace. I liked how the one brace turned out with the rounded windows in it. I had scrap pieces big enough to cut them out whole.









Installing them in the cabinet.


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31hz is a pretty high tuning frequency for home theater subs, why not tune lower?

Blake, these are not HT subs. They are strictly music subs, hence the higher tune. Besides, I have this guy already for the ULF


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Although I'm not sure how much I like the wet/greasy look the PL3x leaves behind where you wipe it off.
That's WHY you DON'T wipe it off.... you let it DRY/CURE the way it is..... then get a chisel and SCRAPE it off. It comes off cleanly that way.

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That's WHY you DON'T wipe it off.... you let it DRY/CURE the way it is..... then get a chisel and SCRAPE it off. It comes off cleanly that way.

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Yeah, I'll try that next time. It just seemed easy to clean it off now, instead of forgetting about it and running my fingers through it a few minutes later when it was still wet.
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The cabinets are pretty close to being finished now. I test fitted the PA460s and predrilled the screw holes in the baffle. I also finished the braces - I did vertical braces too.
















I decided to do a 45 degree chamfer on the edges instead of rounded. I lined the inside with foam mattress topper.







After sanding the nail holes, all the excess PL3x off and the seams. I was very happy with how well some of the edges/seams came together, like this one:


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Yeah, I'll try that next time. It just seemed easy to clean it off now, instead of forgetting about it and running my fingers through it a few minutes later when it was still wet.
It's all good.... we have ALL made that mistake......

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I'd be happy with that edge too! Nice job.


Oh, and I guess the glue left behind after wiping sanded off ok?
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Wish List: LLT Sub Dual UM-18, 25 cuft 12Hz tune. Anthology http://www.speakerdesignworks.com/Anthology_1.html
DIY so far: LCR (RCF H100 3way) 2 - Full MARTY 460HO ( PIX from OLD profile) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...l#post39937738
2- VBSS and a DIY Bass Shaker
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