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Oh, and while we’re destroying this thread, don’t forget shaft flex !! Of course, the grip is vitally important as well.
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It's a trifling sacrifice for that beauty and diversity the AVS community offers . . .

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I've been down the sub rabbit hole for 20+ years. We eventually had a twin SVS 13.5 inch that shook the entire house. However, it was like having a small refrigerator in the family room. WAF was in negative numbers
> 90% of bass is > 20hz. At the end of the day, it's about the total surface area moving the air, and the power to control the cones precisely.
When we last moved, I sold the huge mega sub and bought 4 smaller, 12 inch subs from HSU, Paradigm and 2x Velodyne. It took awhile to get everything balanced out, but modern AVRs have amazing room correction. Then I added multiple Buttkickers to the seating. Bottom line: Superb, balanced, seamless bass from 4 tucked away subs, and when things get really low (Jurrasic Park/Black Hawk Down), the Buttkickers kick butt. Huge WAF improvement was the icing on the HT cake.

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I've just noticed a lot of comments along the lines of "why not just build an 18" DIY cab"; "15"? why so small?"; "Don't bother with that 10"or 12" sub, just throw it away"; "18 or bust!"


I don't think I've ever said anything like that. And yes I did build an 18", that was due to my personal desire for extreme bass. Not everybody has THAT desire, some people just want GOOD bass.


It's just really easy to throw those comments out but to me it feels like a put down on people who choose (for whatever reason) to use a smaller driver. That's not encouraging or helpful. Maybe I could have worded it better, but I think we can all be more careful about those kinds of comments.

Holy crap Mike sounds like your ready to tone it back a notch😎
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You have to admit though... small subwoofers are kitten-cute. hehe!



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and how is the 24 in the NFsub application Nice pics btw
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Yea, once you order the first nu6000dsp you kind of get away from thinking 1 or 2 12's is enough lol.
Rabbit hole here I come.
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That's because: SPL\sound-power is a function of cone-speed * cone-area, since the frequency is fixed the only way to get more is speed is with more watts/excursion.


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I love this explosion of 21-32" drivers...

...and in a few years things will be more along the lines of why waste time with a little 18" driver... You need modulated plasma differential engines or something spectacular like that...
Or inverse reactive current to universal phase detractors, as described in the Encabulator Transmission. YouTube it.

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I think most that have found AVS forum started with wanting to find answers. Like most it normally starts with a system that at the time sounded good, a home theater in a box. We came to avs maybe searching for answers on a new tv or review of one. Leading to HeH lets see what this other sub section on woofers and speakers has to say. ....
We now are in hook, line and sinker. ...
"1 is good 2 must be better, that is what everyone is saying" What you know a week later another svs subs shows up and this time the wife says "Where the H*** are we going to put that big thing?" This leads us to the diy section searching for answers.
Edited the description but yes, the above pretty much sums it up.

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Oh, and while we’re destroying this thread, don’t forget shaft flex !! Of course, the grip is vitally important as well.
Exactly! In fact, that is the difference between pink and purple. So I hear.

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and how is the 24 in the NFsub application Nice pics btw
I've only spent like an hour with it since I bought the thing over a year ago.
Can't formulate an opinion with which little play-time.
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Relevant picture. Me and my 12" PSI next to an HST-24. The friggen dust cap is almost as big as the cone on my sub. Regardless, a pair of those 12s had no trouble in my small soundproofed room, and it was only upgraditis that got me into a pair of 18s to replace them.
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Yeah, my favorite is, I want reference level bass from a 10 inch sub in 1 cubic foot. I had a 12x12 and 12x18. The 12s sound really good and better than my prior 8x18 setup. However, the next 8x18 system was much better. The driver matters know matter what size. Now I have a 2x19 SLLT and soon to be 4x19 SLLT.
This should not be ignored or minimized.

I have 4 infinity 1260s sealed and capable of an in room response flat to 10
I have Legacy 15s, Ultimax 18s, proto18, mbm12s

bottom line is there are tremendous differences in driver quality
the infinities playing 10hz cannot replicate what any of the other drivers can do

#JK7 .2 and i talked at length about the large qualitative differences as he progressed from
si18s to ds4s to hst18s.....in short he said it was huge

there are many ways to build a quality system but there is no shortcutting or skipping the facts that area, displacement and build quality are MAJOR factors....all of them.
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This should not be ignored or minimized.

I have 4 infinity 1260s sealed and capable of an in room response flat to 10
I have Legacy 15s, Ultimax 18s, proto18, mbm12s

bottom line is there are tremendous differences in driver quality
the infinities playing 10hz cannot replicate what any of the other drivers can do

#JK7 .2 and i talked at length about the large qualitative differences as he progressed from
si18s to ds4s to hst18s.....in short he said it was huge

there are many ways to build a quality system but there is no shortcutting or skipping the facts that area, displacement and build quality are MAJOR factors....all of them.
I said the driver matters.
OOPs, i did not see the word NOT.

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I said the driver matters.
#AllDriversMatter
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Relevant picture. Me and my 12" PSI next to an HST-24. The friggen dust cap is almost as big as the cone on my sub. Regardless, a pair of those 12s had no trouble in my small soundproofed room, and it was only upgraditis that got me into a pair of 18s to replace them.
Wow that picture really puts the size difference in to perspective. I am very excited to actually get my 24's. The anticipation is killing me. Now i just need to decide on the amp. Nick told me mid August i should have them. Here's hoping he is correct
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