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great job...the room looks outstanding..!!!
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Thank you.
I do not have a thread on the posters. I followed general guides from this thread. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-de...els-cheap.html
The panels have made a BIG improvement with taming all the echoes and hollow sound. I am really looking forward to some measurements to confirm this once I get my Nad 758v3.
Thanks for the link. Will definitely check that out.
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I had the 1099's and loved them , so got the 1299's for extra mid punch with the 12's.
Great thread/build! It's awesome to hear how you've bounced back.

I saw your posts on blister64's thread where you also mentioned the 1099's. I've been pondering the idea of building them for my setup (2160^ft. living room) and was wondering what your thoughts on that would be since you've had experience with them. Also, did you build those sealed as well?

I really hope you don't mind me asking, as I don't want to highjack your thread.
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Great thread/build! It's awesome to hear how you've bounced back.

I saw your posts on blister64's thread where you also mentioned the 1099's. I've been pondering the idea of building them for my setup (2160^ft. living room) and was wondering what your thoughts on that would be since you've had experience with them. Also, did you build those sealed as well?

I really hope you don't mind me asking, as I don't want to highjack your thread.
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Here is what my 1099's looked like. I had them in my living room also.


They were ported and I built them from the flat packs at diysoundgroup. They were a little weak on the mid bass but I over came that with svs pb12 plus, pc12 plus( ran the svs subs sealed) and 2 sealed 18's. Once everything was dialed in, it sounded so good for movies and music. Like I had said before, I used to be about 80/20 with movies/music, but after everything sounding perfect I was 50/50.
I would highly recommend the 1099's. They sound big and play big.
Now the 1299's just sound bigger if that makes sense. Compared to the 1099's, the 1299's don't seems as bright on the top end (smoother maybe). I really don't think anyone could go wrong with either of the 99's.
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Here is what my 1099's looked like. I had them in my living room also.


They were ported and I built them from the flat packs at diysoundgroup. They were a little weak on the mid bass but I over came that with svs pb12 plus, pc12 plus( ran the svs subs sealed) and 2 sealed 18's. Once everything was dialed in, it sounded so good for movies and music. Like I had said before, I used to be about 80/20 with movies/music, but after everything sounding perfect I was 50/50.
I would highly recommend the 1099's. They sound big and play big.
Now the 1299's just sound bigger if that makes sense. Compared to the 1099's, the 1299's don't seems as bright on the top end (smoother maybe). I really don't think anyone could go wrong with either of the 99's.
Bigger is definitely what I'm looking for. Especially seeing as how I'm using Hsu HB1's/HC1 as my LCR. This is also my first formidable HT setup that I put together last year (X-Mas present to myself), so I'm certain the the 1099's across the front should be a MASSIVE improvement.

Not sure if you read my sig, but I too am running a PB12 Plus in my setup. It's just a single, but with my house being on blocks with a wood floor, it gives off a nice tactile response. I'd like to go with a pair of bigger subs (15's/18's...or perhaps the HST-11's ) at some point to get more chest punch, but I'll just have to be patient for now. But...after hearing you mention something about running your subs sealed, it has me curious as to whether or not I might be able to get a bit more mid bass out of my single by plugging it up as well.

FYI: Those 99's just look like they kick ass.
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Bigger is definitely what I'm looking for. Especially seeing as how I'm using Hsu HB1's/HC1 as my LCR. This is also my first formidable HT setup that I put together last year (X-Mas present to myself), so I'm certain the the 1099's across the front should be a MASSIVE improvement.

Not sure if you read my sig, but I too am running a PB12 Plus in my setup. It's just a single, but with my house being on blocks with a wood floor, it gives off a nice tactile response. I'd like to go with a pair of bigger subs (15's/18's...or perhaps the HST-11's ) at some point to get more chest punch, but I'll just have to be patient for now. But...after hearing you mention something about running your subs sealed, it has me curious as to whether or not I might be able to get a bit more mid bass out of my single by plugging it up as well.

FYI: Those 99's just look like they kick ass.
My living room was also on blocks and the tactile was really great. I had a pretty flat response from 100hz down to 12hz. I added more subs after I had the 1099's only to flatten the response but also to smooth the bass out. I crossed at 100hz in the avr and could never isolate a sub. Blended great with the 1099's.
If this is your first diy adventure, I would suggest the flat packs and pre-made crossovers. Will make your adventure pain free and you will learn a lot from the process. Probably could have three 1099's ready for paint in 2 days and listening in 3. From there on you will be hooked, as I am. I then built 6 Volt 10's and then the two 18 in. subs.
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My living room was also on blocks and the tactile was really great. I had a pretty flat response from 100hz down to 12hz. I added more subs after I had the 1099's only to flatten the response but also to smooth the bass out. I crossed at 100hz in the avr and could never isolate a sub. Blended great with the 1099's.
If this is your first diy adventure, I would suggest the flat packs and pre-made crossovers. Will make your adventure pain free and you will learn a lot from the process. Probably could have three 1099's ready for paint in 2 days and listening in 3. From there on you will be hooked, as I am. I then built 6 Volt 10's and then the two 18 in. subs.
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We're definitely on the same page there. I don't have the equipment to fab up the boxes, and the thought of having to wire up the X-O's scares the crap out of me. Lol

I think I may have to tinker around with my current settings a bit after hearing what you've described. I also have my sub corner loaded, so tweaking the DSP a little might help with some nulls as well. That's another thing that I've been avoiding, but I may have to go ahead and get a mic and REW setup to measure where i'm at.

I really appreciate all of the info you've given me. Hopefully I can improve on what I have until I can get the 1099 build going. It's going to be awhile, so I guess I'll just have to continue to live vicariously through y'all until then.
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Thanks. I plan to have grills on the 1299's also. I have the fabric and want to follow the same round over as the volts. I was working on that layout today.
As I had stated above, I wanted some grills that followed the same as the Volts I have done.
Here are the grills. This wasn't as cut and dried as anticipated. I ran into a few mistakes, some mechanical and others human error. I will display them in all there glory.


I started with the thought of using 1/4 inch under laminate for the grills. I laid out the cutouts and roughed one out.



Not sure you can see what has happened with a chip out around the mid section after I cut bevels into it. I thought no big deal it will be covered with cloth anyway. But to be on the safe side I made another out of 1/2 mdf. I clamp it on a 1299 to see what it will look like.



I really like the light and dark theme and thought .hmmm, maybe just a tad darker and it would look good. So I lay a stained one on top after I put a temp cloth on .





I left it this way for a week or so, just to see if I really wanted this. Everyone that saw this told me that they thought the bottom half looked like Mickey Mouse Ears. Well that I couldn't get out of my head and took off the temp outline off and looked at just the cloth for another week.





This I liked. But what I found out was that the 1/4 inch was too flimsy over the distance of the grill 1/2 inch it would have to be made from. So I started to layout and cut the rest of the grills. These are the fasteners I will be using along with the bits. I have a full size of the forstner bits from 1/4 to 2 inch. Used 1/4, 3/8 and 2 inch bits for the grills.




Here you can see what I used the 2inch bit for the radius of the waveguide.



I use my small router to cut in a 3/16 bevel.



Now with all cutouts for the grills made it was time to paint. Used duratex on 1 but took too long to get a nice smooth finish. decided on flat black rattle can for the rest.



With the paint done I could now start the mounting. Test fitting the frame just to make sure all is good before I start to drill some holes in it.




Everything lines up to my satisfaction and I proceed to drill pilot holes for the fasteners. Caution needs to be taken on this step. Drill through the frame and just a tad into the speaker itself.






Now with the pilot holes drilled, I can use the 1/4 forstner bit to drill into the frame part and use the 3/8 forstner bit into the speaker. I use JB weld as my adhesive. I don't have a picture of the male end into the frame but here is the female into the speaker.



This next picture is with the fabric attached and you can see the male part of the fasteners. I stapled the fabric. I normally use a hot glue but thought that with a large grill, staples would be better.



Here is what the finally results come out with the lights on in my room. Then I put a flood light in the room to get a better picture.




This last picture I am toying with the idea of putting 1299 in wooden numbers on the grill. I haven't decided yet, but might look good.
That is the end of grills. Thanks for looking.
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Now my OH crap moments. On my first layout , everything was good, I thought. I went to route in the mid holes and thought I probably should add another 1/8 to the to the diameter. I guess that was not good.



I use a 30 year old Rockwell router and my shut off switch which I have replaced once went out. Stupid thing wouldn't shut off. and this is what happened. I am still using that piece since it is very hard to see, but still an Oh Crap moment.

And here is the trouble maker.
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Wow. Outstanding job and nice design. Those look great.

How'd you make those cuts? They look perfect. I see the circle jig but what about the waveguide cutout?
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Wow. Outstanding job and nice design. Those look great.

How'd you make those cuts? They look perfect. I see the circle jig but what about the waveguide cutout?
My layout for the waveguide was just a rectangle. I then used the 2 inch forstner bit and placed that onto the lines of the layout, drilled through. All scrap pieces were screwed down, so frame wouldn't move for all this. Once holes down, I used a jigsaw to cut the remainder out.
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Nice job on these as well!

Where in Texas are you? I'm usually making trips to Houston this time of year for tailgating at Texans games. If you're anywhere close to there I'd love to hear what those things sound like.
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Nice job on these as well!

Where in Texas are you? I'm usually making trips to Houston this time of year for tailgating at Texans games. If you're anywhere close to there I'd love to hear what those things sound like.
I am in the DFW area. Not a terrible ride from Houston but still 4 hours.


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I am in the DFW area. Not a terrible ride from Houston but still 4 hours.
Coupled with the 2 and a half hour drive to Houston from where I live, that makes for a LONG drive. Lol...I'm just gonna have to take your word that they sound fantastic.
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I use a 30 year old Rockwell router and my shut off switch which I have replaced once went out. Stupid thing wouldn't shut off. and this is what happened. I am still using that piece since it is very hard to see, but still an Oh Crap moment.
You can fill that with epoxy and paint over it. Similar thing happened to me (well, my Dad was piloting the router ) during my mini-marty build.
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Curt, those grills look terrific. If I end up putting grills on any of my speakers/subs I'll be stealing many ideas from this thread.

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I don't suspect those will be moving any time soon!
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Curt, those grills look terrific. If I end up putting grills on any of my speakers/subs I'll be stealing many ideas from this thread.



I don't suspect those will be moving any time soon!

Thanks and feel free to use any ideas I may have given you.
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Awesome build! Especially impressed with the work you did on the grills for the 1299's and on the acoustic panels in your room. Also heartwarming and inspiring to hear how far you've come in such a short time after a life reboot. Great job, man!
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Awesome build! Especially impressed with the work you did on the grills for the 1299's and on the acoustic panels in your room. Also heartwarming and inspiring to hear how far you've come in such a short time after a life reboot. Great job, man!
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Awesome build! They look amazing!!
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we need some added pics of your PA-460s...

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