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What is my next step after I plug into the nx6000d and Aventage 3070. Do I run ypao? Do I put certain settings in the nx dsp before or after ypao? When do I use the REW software and mic?

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What is my next step after I plug into the nx6000d and Aventage 3070. Do I run ypao? Do I put certain settings in the nx dsp before or after ypao? When do I use the REW software and mic?
A HPF at or just under tune. If tune is below 20Hz: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...z-dcx2496.html

I adjust the PEQ of the sub(s) first based on REW measurements, then run Audyssey. Depending on outcome I may adjust them again.

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A HPF at or just under tune. If tune is below 20Hz: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...z-dcx2496.html

I adjust the PEQ of the sub(s) first based on REW measurements, then run Audyssey. Depending on outcome I may adjust them again.
so in my winisd file, "Highpass (Butterworth, n=2, fc=13.25 Hz)" and it is tuned to 15hz. Which number should be my highpass filter?

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I did some measurements from this video.

First graph was just the subwoofer. the second graph was after i did YPAO with subwoofer.

Did I do it right?
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Should I be following this guide for my subwoofer setup?

file:///C:/Users/Little%20Warrior/Downloads/REW%20101%20HTS%20Current%20Version.pdf

First I need to make sure my NX6000D is setup correctly before i run the measurements in REW.

Do these setting images look correct?

Second, for my Yamaha receiver, do I clear all settings and set the YPAO to "through" or flat to get the subwoofer tuned? I am using the UMIK CSL calibrated and HDMI connection to my Yamaha Amp. I have an HST 18 vented.

Thanks everyone for your help in advance!
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Should I be following this guide for my subwoofer setup?

file:///C:/Users/Little%20Warrior/Downloads/REW%20101%20HTS%20Current%20Version.pdf
We can't view files on your computer... This would be a good resource (looks like the one you have on your computer): https://www.dropbox.com/s/zdhq72a1pu...%20Version.pdf

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First I need to make sure my NX6000D is setup correctly before i run the measurements in REW.

Do these setting images look correct?
A HPF to start, yes.

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Second, for my Yamaha receiver, do I clear all settings and set the YPAO to "through" or flat to get the subwoofer tuned? I am using the UMIK CSL calibrated and HDMI connection to my Yamaha Amp. I have an HST 18 vented.

Thanks everyone for your help in advance!
I disable Audyssey (YPAO in your case) before taking measurements, tweak the PEQ based on the measurements, then run Audyssey and remeasure. if Audyssey does not give me the FR I was looking for on the subs I will work the PEQ again with Audyssey engaged.

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Should I be following this guide for my subwoofer setup?

file:///C:/Users/Little%20Warrior/Downloads/REW%20101%20HTS%20Current%20Version.pdf

First I need to make sure my NX6000D is setup correctly before i run the measurements in REW.

Do these setting images look correct?

Second, for my Yamaha receiver, do I clear all settings and set the YPAO to "through" or flat to get the subwoofer tuned? I am using the UMIK CSL calibrated and HDMI connection to my Yamaha Amp. I have an HST 18 vented.

Thanks everyone for your help in advance!
Notice your High Shelf reduces everything above 20 HZ by 8dB. You'll need to compensate by turning up the Virtual Gain on the Filter/Crossover tab, or the sub may be awfully quiet.

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Should I be following this guide for my subwoofer setup?

file:///C:/Users/Little%20Warrior/Downloads/REW%20101%20HTS%20Current%20Version.pdf

First I need to make sure my NX6000D is setup correctly before i run the measurements in REW.

Do these setting images look correct?

Second, for my Yamaha receiver, do I clear all settings and set the YPAO to "through" or flat to get the subwoofer tuned? I am using the UMIK CSL calibrated and HDMI connection to my Yamaha Amp. I have an HST 18 vented.

Thanks everyone for your help in advance!
Notice your High Shelf reduces everything above 20 HZ by 8dB. You'll need to compensate by turning up the Virtual Gain on the Filter/Crossover tab, or the sub may be awfully quiet.
How much do I turn it up? Till the graph reaches a certain point?

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Should I be following this guide for my subwoofer setup?

file:///C:/Users/Little%20Warrior/Downloads/REW%20101%20HTS%20Current%20Version.pdf
We can't view files on your computer... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] This would be a good resource (looks like the one you have on your computer): https://www.dropbox.com/s/zdhq72a1pu...%20Version.pdf

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First I need to make sure my NX6000D is setup correctly before i run the measurements in REW.

Do these setting images look correct?
A HPF to start, yes.

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Second, for my Yamaha receiver, do I clear all settings and set the YPAO to "through" or flat to get the subwoofer tuned? I am using the UMIK CSL calibrated and HDMI connection to my Yamaha Amp. I have an HST 18 vented.

Thanks everyone for your help in advance!
I disable Audyssey (YPAO in your case) before taking measurements, tweak the PEQ based on the measurements, then run Audyssey and remeasure. if Audyssey does not give me the FR I was looking for on the subs I will work the PEQ again with Audyssey engaged.
That's the document I was posting. Great thanks.

What about under configuration tab...am I suppose to change the box to 4 ohm and make the peak show 3020 watts? Anything I need to do on that tab?

Also, does it look like I am achieving around 13.5 hz with the filter?

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How much do I turn it up? Till the graph reaches a certain point?
Technically, as much as you used for the High Shelf (8dB). The two settings balance out to 0dB, while maintaining the slope of the High Pass.

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The following settings were applied in REW preferences. Do they look correct?

HST-18 mounted in a 12.5cu ft cabinet ported. WINISD tuned to 15hz.
Set as 7.1 in windows 10. Microphone level at +5.3db. HDMI connection to Aventage 3070 with YPAO set to "through". Utilizing NX6000D through one channel, Butterworth 12db @ 20hz and applied filter -7db gain at 20hz for HS12 to get 13.5hz HPF and increased main gain +7db to counteract this. UMIK CSL. 90 degree. 7 measurements. Left, Right, Center seat of couch. Then center had 5 measurements, slightly left, right, up, & down.
















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HST-18 mounted in a 12.5cu ft cabinet ported. WINISD tuned to 15hz.
Set as 7.1 in windows 10. Microphone level at +10.9db. HDMI connection to Aventage 3070 with YPAO set to "through". Utilizing NX6000D through one channel, Butterworth 12db @ 20hz and applied filter -7db gain at 20hz for HS12 to get 13.5hz HPF and increased main gain +7db to counteract this. UMIK CSL. 90 degree. 7 measurements. Left, Right, Center seat of couch. Then center had 5 measurements, slightly left, right, up, & down.









Placed these results in the NX Edit Software


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When doing AutoEQ in REW, I wouldn't set the LF cutoff the way you did. You have the HPF in place in the NX6000D to protect the sub, so the signal will have that cutoff, but that doesn't mean you want the response to. Use a flat target response instead.

Since you can't EQ <20Hz in the NX6000D, you may want to try changing your negative HS to -6dB or -5dB. That should flatten your response a bit <20Hz where you can't EQ and give you a better starting point to EQ from. It will effectively raise the frequency of your HPF so it will certainly be safe. Alternatively, keep that hump in the teens and EQ everything above.
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When doing AutoEQ in REW, I wouldn't set the LF cutoff the way you did. You have the HPF in place in the NX6000D to protect the sub, so the signal will have that cutoff, but that doesn't mean you want the response to. Use a flat target response instead.

Since you can't EQ <20Hz in the NX6000D, you may want to try changing your negative HS to -6dB or -5dB. That should flatten your response a bit <20Hz where you can't EQ and give you a better starting point to EQ from. It will effectively raise the frequency of your HPF so it will certainly be safe. Alternatively, keep that hump in the teens and EQ everything above.
Thank you so much for responding! I have very little idea what I am doing. I just followed the guide; Getting Started with REW.

Just tell me what numbers and where. Use autoeq or not? Change the LF cutoff from the 13hz I have to what? Where do I select flat target response?

I changed the gain to -6db. YPAO keeps making my speakers LARGE

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I haven't used the auto-eq and I just started my tuning yesterday, so I won't have all the answers. That said I may have some pointers.

First I'd make sure you're happy with your phase in the amp because you could lose hours of tweaking by finding that you were happier at 180.

Next I'd do two things to the REW graph before diving in - first remove your smoothing since you're just eq'ing the bass, you want the nitty gritty; second, tighten the Limits so you can get a better view of your peaks/valleys - in your case I'd start with your LPF for the bottom of the range and put the top at 105ish so you can get a feel for the variance in db. From your low end to your high you've got about 25 db range that you'll want to smooth to within 5 db.

The rest is going to be the fun part - tweaking and testing. I spent 4 hours playing with the PEQ and running sweeps until I was happy and in a 4 db range from 20 to 100 hz. You'll find some of your peaks need to be brought in check with your Quality up to 10 - sniping the rogue spike. Others you'll want to smooth in order to calm the hump and you may go as low as .5. It's all about the process so take your time and enjoy playing with your toys.

Once you've reset your graph run another sweep and post here - I'd be happy to help you dial it in.
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Just tell me what numbers and where. Use autoeq or not? Change the LF cutoff from the 13hz I have to what? Where do I select flat target response?

I changed the gain to -6db. YPAO keeps making my speakers LARGE
You can use AutoEQ, just set the LF cutoff to 1Hz and it will stay flat.

After you change the gain, run another sweep and see if you like it better as your starting point for AutoEQ.

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