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SEOS 30 or 24: worth the upgrade?

Over the last year I have been trying to get a hold of a pair of Klipsch K402 horns, but they are extremely rare in Europe (so second hand is next to impossible) and not a lot of people are willing to ship from the US to Europe (so second hand from US is also a no go). I hoped I would find a second pair sooner, but it doesnt look like it. Buying it new is too expensive for me (2,5k for the pair). This brings me to the SEOS horns. For now I'm using a very cheap horn (30 USD/), the P Audio PH4525. I hoped this temporary horn would have only been in use for a few months till the K402 arrived, but it has been a year so I'm thinking about my options. Spending the big money on the K402 (which is a lot for me as a student), or spend a fraction of that on a SEOS24 (520 eu) or SEOS 30 (600eu) pair. I just know the K402 to be superior over the SEOS horns (which is probably objectively true), but the at 25% price point I have to wonder if it is worth it.

Does anyone know just how good those big SEOS horns are? To be used on top of a La Scala (Klipsch) bassbin, with a 500hz crossover and a Faital PRO HF200 driver.


Any input (or suggestions of other commercialy or second hand available horns) are also welcome ofcourse! I can (for example) get my hands on a pair of the big JBL 2370 horns.
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Over the last year I have been trying to get a hold of a pair of Klipsch K402 horns, [snip].

Here you go..... Google is your friend......


https://www.klipsch.com/blog/steve-b...-k-402-speaker


You did ask the question on a DIY forum.....


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TY for the link, made interesting reading, especially for DIY curiosity . .

(muses) after all "that", the guy didn't/ can't bother to show before /after measurements to help justify the time, trouble, money and effort .. . .
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Isn't a driving impetus behind a DIY mindset something like : I could do that . . . I WANT to do that . . .I MUST do that . .

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[snip].....


Isn't a driving impetus behind a DIY mindset something like : I could do that . . . I WANT to do that . . .I MUST do that . .

it depends . . .

You are welcome Sir..... I could not locate the actual build link but, it IS lurking in that forum.


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Here you go..... Google is your friend......


https://www.klipsch.com/blog/steve-b...-k-402-speaker


You did ask the question on a DIY forum.....


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TY for the link, made interesting reading, especially for DIY curiosity . .

(muses) after all "that", the guy didn't/ can't bother to show before /after measurements to help justify the time, trouble, money and effort .. . .
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Cool link, but some extra info about the guy, and me! He sold the K402 pair because it was too big, and bought a K510 horn instead (so Belle with a K510 and K402 on top). After a few years he also sold the K510 (including those faital HF200 drivers you see on the K402 from thhe article), all the way from Canada..

to me in Belgium! I was hoping to do that (shipping it in from the US) for the K402 too, but I have not had any succes finding a pair. Then one moment I thought I had an option for a K402, and got a good offer on my K510 horns (the ones from Steve Bedard), which is why I too sold the K510 horns and ended up with a pair off crappy horns..

In any case, I dont see how the article relates to my topic? The only thing mentioned in the article is that someone has done the same I want to do, but I already knew that was possible Steve Bedard (and many other others on the Klipsch forum) have stimulated me to go for the Klipsch LaScala bassbin with a K402 on top. It's just next to impossible to find a dealer who can sell a K402 pair to Europe/Belgium.



I primarly need to know how good the SEOS horns are, so I can maybe look into buying those instead of the K402.
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What did you need out of the horn other than being able to cross at 500hz? the SEOS24 I know does that, as there are many members here and on the net that have done just that.
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It's just next to impossible to find a dealer who can sell a K402 pair to Europe/Belgium.
Use an onshipper.

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What did you need out of the horn other than being able to cross at 500hz? the SEOS24 I know does that, as there are many members here and on the net that have done just that.
For one, I want awesome polar control and general audio quality. All builds I see that use the SEOS24 horns just talk about the other parts of the build, and rarely about the horn choice. I have not seen a negative review, so I think the horn is defintely worth it, just not sure if I want to spend 500eu on a horn I'll want to replace (in case the K402 is so much better). I want to know how good it is, preferably from someone who was able compare it to let's say the K402 or JBL 2370. Three huge horns, the JBL 2370 and SEOS30 being way better priced.
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Use an onshipper.
What do you mean by that?
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What do you mean by that?
US based company that acts as an agent on your behalf. They have a US address, so they purchase the product on your behalf and have it shipped to their address. This often adds no cost to the total transaction as many US stores offer free local shipping. Then they organise transport to your location; this can be a great advantage as in the case of the K402, thy are bulky, but not that heavy so surface shipping may be much cheaper. For the work you pay them a fee, often a %. The company that I used to use to ship US - Australia (local tax rules changes mean they were unprofitable and have closed) used to charge 5%.



Can't offer a suggested company for the US - EU, but I know there are several and I recall someone in the EU doing this in a thread somewhere recently. Don't recall where though.

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about 3 years ago , build some f15's
and after an conscientious attempt at XT32 and REW and about 150 ft^2 of treatments all over the place,

the appalling thought that the for a lot of listening, the stereo imaging and yada, yada, yada, they produced
told me relegating my klipsch F3 towers to rear surr. (i'm a peasant) was being kind to them.

and except for movies and ATMOS and now DTS, those L/R were truly fine.
the Scatmos array, quite the striking eye and ear candy and PDG for its purpose

so my birthday set (not suit) of the lowly (HA!) HTM 6's for the mancave. .
after the effort of shoe-horning in a 5.2.4 DSU or 5.2.2 Neo - it has its moments .
SEOS horns are awesome, when you've made some effort to optimize

recently there was a brief splurge of interest in 18" SEOS horns and how a group buy might benefit interested parties but that niche apparently really really tiny

what size room needs 24" or 30" horns ?
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For one, I want awesome polar control and general audio quality. All builds I see that use the SEOS24 horns just talk about the other parts of the build, and rarely about the horn choice. I have not seen a negative review, so I think the horn is defintely worth it, just not sure if I want to spend 500eu on a horn I'll want to replace (in case the K402 is so much better). I want to know how good it is, preferably from someone who was able compare it to let's say the K402 or JBL 2370. Three huge horns, the JBL 2370 and SEOS30 being way better priced.
I don't the polar response was ever posted for the 24 (not aware of anyone with a SEOS30 too), but the 15 and 18's did at some point and they looked pretty awesome. Directivity is one of the strengths of the SEOS design, how ever these are rare horns, I doubt anyone has a direct comparison between the 402 and the SEOS24 in person.

BTW where are you seeing the SEOS24 listed?
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I have off axis measurements of the SEOS-24 posted somewhere in this thread:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...ega-build.html

I'll try to dig them up.

Here we go, this is crossed to a pair of TD15m's in an MTM configuration with the SEOS-24 using a BMS 4594 coaxial compression driver, crossovers at ~400Hz & 6500Hz:

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I took the SEOS-24's off the site last year but could look and see how many of those are still here. There were also some SEOS-18's that were shaped the same as the SEOS-24, but around 19" wide if I recall.

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US based company that acts as an agent on your behalf. They have a US address, so they purchase the product on your behalf and have it shipped to their address. This often adds no cost to the total transaction as many US stores offer free local shipping. Then they organise transport to your location; this can be a great advantage as in the case of the K402, thy are bulky, but not that heavy so surface shipping may be much cheaper. For the work you pay them a fee, often a %. The company that I used to use to ship US - Australia (local tax rules changes mean they were unprofitable and have closed) used to charge 5%.



Can't offer a suggested company for the US - EU, but I know there are several and I recall someone in the EU doing this in a thread somewhere recently. Don't recall where though.
Oh, that looks like exactly what I need! I just found a few services, so checking them out right now. Prices look very reasonable (180USD for both!), although I'm not sure what the taxes will be, so asking about that right now. Might very well be a very easy and cost-friendly option. Thanks for the tip!
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I took the SEOS-24's off the site last year but could look and see how many of those are still here. There were also some SEOS-18's that were shaped the same as the SEOS-24, but around 19" wide if I recall.
And what about the crossover in that case? Could it manage anything like 500-550hz?
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about 3 years ago , build some f15's
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and except for movies and ATMOS and now DTS, those L/R were truly fine.
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so my birthday set (not suit) of the lowly (HA!) HTM 6's for the mancave. .
after the effort of shoe-horning in a 5.2.4 DSU or 5.2.2 Neo - it has its moments .
SEOS horns are awesome, when you've made some effort to optimize

recently there was a brief splurge of interest in 18" SEOS horns and how a group buy might benefit interested parties but that niche apparently really really tiny

what size room needs 24" or 30" horns ?
that I want to see . .
'What room size'.. that is a very good point. For now I dont have a very big space, but I just want to end up with something I wont want to replace in the near future. Also, my bass-bins work best up to 500hz, otherwise I might choose smaller horns.

Also, wouldnt the big horns help with good coverage over the whole row? My seat are only 2-2,5 meter away from tv and speakers, but is twice as wide (4-5 meter).
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Nope, not just because they're bigger. Dispersion characteristics and set up will determine that.

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Nope, not just because they're bigger. Dispersion characteristics and set up will determine that.

Ok, it's clear I have lost a lot of the grip I though I once had on understanding horns.. The bigger the horn, the better the chances are that they will have good polar control right? (not alway, but it's correlated right?). Because polar control + dispersion + setup would dictate the uniformity of SQ at listening positions right? And ofcourse I thought about the actual dispersion, but the customer service doesnt have any info on the SEOS horns.. very weird. They just didnt measure all models. I asked them to maybe measure it so we have more to work with.
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'I haven't this horns ready and i can't make measurments.
All products we make after order and prepayment this is reason why i don't know when i will have possibilities to make measurments.'
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JBL 2384 is generally readily available with 1.5" throat. 2453H-SL mates well and sounds great on it.
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Does like a big horn, with good reviews. Cant seem to find any info about it though.. no real specs. I have found the measurements (size) but nothing about minimum crossover etc. In the 4722 configuration it uses a 630hz crossover, but I would need at least 550hz to make it work.

The big downside is the driver though.. I already have decent 2" drivers, and selling (and buying new 1,5" ones) would be quite a waste.
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Well i plan to eventually try a 4590 with a p audio 2380. I can let you know how that goes although it is way down the road for me.


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Does like a big horn, with good reviews. Cant seem to find any info about it though.. no real specs. I have found the measurements (size) but nothing about minimum crossover etc. In the 4722 configuration it uses a 630hz crossover, but I would need at least 550hz to make it work.

The big downside is the driver though.. I already have decent 2" drivers, and selling (and buying new 1,5" ones) would be quite a waste.
The low end will be determined by the size of the waveguide. The 2384 is huge. Also, which 2" drivers? I generally avoid those, as they beam too much.
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I've used that combination and all it did was ruin a good driver. Not is correct in his assessment.
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I actually already had a PH2380, and I sold it. I sold those, bought the Klipsch K510 (excellent horns!), sold those too and ended up with the PH4525. The 4525 is definetely not better than the 2380. That is why I want/need to switch. I have no idea how long it can take till I find a K402 (or valid alternative), so I need to have a good setup till then
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The low end will be determined by the size of the waveguide. The 2384 is huge. Also, which 2" drivers? I generally avoid those, as they beam too much.
Well, I know it's the waveguide, but I cant find any info about possible crossovers, except the 630hz. I might have a look at my LaScala bassbins, cause I think I can use them up to 800hz (although Klipsch themselves use them only up to 400hz.. will do a sweep to check)(I use active crossovers and an Eminence Kappa 15C)

I currently have a pair of Faital PRO HF200, which are very good. Defintely as good (or close) as my JBL 2446H pair. The HF200 is also available as a 1,4" version though (I think the HF200 is just a 1,4" with 2" throat). Selling the hf200 second hand, and buying a new pair of HF140 will lose me some money, but could be worth it if the JBL 2384 horns come cheap.
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Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
Ew, gross horn.
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I've used that combination and all it did was ruin a good driver. Not is correct in his assessment.
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Well i plan to eventually try a 4590 with a p audio 2380. I can let you know how that goes although it is way down the road for me.


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I actually already had a PH2380, and I sold it. I sold those, bought the Klipsch K510 (excellent horns!), sold those too and ended up with the PH4525. The 4525 is definetely not better than the 2380. That is why I want/need to switch. I have no idea how long it can take till I find a K402 (or valid alternative), so I need to have a good setup till then [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
telling ya, try the 2384 with 2453h-sl. I haven't heard anyone ever say anything bad about it. The only combo I like better is using the 2452 with a beryllium diaphragm with em. They should be easy to get and under 550 for the combo.
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