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wrt xo for a 15" and F15 and its xo

"Typically you want to cross a 15" driver around 1000-1200hz if you want it to give you roughly a 90 degree radiation pattern (level down 6db at 45 degrees off axis)."

iirc, F15 xo is 900 or 950, and made a great "match' as the 88 xo is 900 or 950

F15's far and away AWESOME!
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@Erich H made mention of sending ideas for new speakers.

My favorite speaker idea is a value-oriented monster 3-way reminiscent of the 1899. The Titan is probably filling this niche already, it would be too large for a flat-pack, and WAF would be non-existent. Benefits(maybe?) include more tactile output from the pair of large drivers, and having two woofers might slightly improve the horrendous 80-200Hz response many are cursed with in their rooms.

The speaker would be of the WMTW variety. Woofers would be PA380s, or some other inexpensive option that can get close to 80Hz sealed. Alternatively, they model well in small-ish volume tuned for midbass.

Midrange might be a Celestion TF1020. Highs could be Peerless CD with SEOS 12.

Voicing would include strong mid-bass similar to some of JTR's offerings.

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@EricH made mention of sending ideas for new speakers.
Just an fyi, it's @Erich H , not @EricH .
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Oh I think that's referring to the "buy out woofer", not the new coaxials.

Edit: my apologies, that's the woofer you were talking about. Let us know how that works out - what drivers were you using before?
They're the boxes my two UM-18s are in right now The UM-18s are going in dual opposed enclosures now that I have 4 and the 4 cf sealed boxes will be ready for something new! I was thinking the PA460, but if this 15" is priced similarly, I'll go with those. They'll just be a fun garage system with my old inuke 6000.


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Could mean they got the prototypes in, he is checking them, making sure everything is OK, and that they meet expectations etc.

Selling means you can click on the website and order. I've not been able to order, or pay for anything that wasn't on the website, but that might be a recent phenomenon, since I'm pretty new, or that might just be the way it is. Regardless, if you can't click on it... It's likely not for sale yet.

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Thanks for the input I haven't ordered speakers from them yet either, just some flat packs. I have wanted 1099s for a long time, but they're too tall for my living room. Maybe if they bring back the 893s I can pick up some of those. Plus, I love bass so dang much I just keep upgrading subwoofers lol.
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From the update post:
If you've been waiting for me to put the Fusion-8 (Alchemy) speaker kits back on the site, I'll try to get them back up this week. There aren't any flat packs for those right now and I'm not sure if more will be made up.
I think the largest reason for less interest in the Fusion line is the Home Theater Monitor line is the first major line to have a name where it says a use purpose. So now people believe you need that for home theater.
Eric H isn't a marketer, and I don't think that effect really was understood.
Fusion line has never been "marketed" and sure long time users know it, but if you just quickly look for the first time as a new user, you have no idea what Fusion means, but Home Theater Monitor will instantly catch your eye.

Fusion line just needs to be brought back with a better name, or change the HTM name to Alpha (like before) or something so it's either both obscure, or both descriptive.
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The idea is to bring back the Fusion name/line with new speakers designed to have a more full range response making them better for mixed use then the HTM's which are more strictly HT oriented and meant to be used with subs.

Last I heard the Alchemy's will be brought back but I am not sure what line they will fit into.
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@mtg90 . . .

a simple inquiry, no, really . .

drpepperdad and his build of the CSS Criton1TD , VNWBTW,

I surfed on over and one item I saw got my attention.

You can upgrade the xo's for the set for only $400
i.e. a mere $200 per speaker, undoubtedly pure unobtanium

interesting contrast when you can buy the whole basic kit and flatpack for $600.

I don't need nor would understand a short treatise on xo design , most likely there is no such thing.. and we don't know the parts, atm, so comparative explanation not needed wrt "justification"

however

blah blah blah

a suggestion of the possibility of that "route" as a viable part of the DIYSG marketing / business plan / growth / up-grade-itis offerings.

I realize DIYSG gets good cred for high value with minimum compromise

after a few more hours, the HTM6's - wunnerful, wunnerful, wunnerful . . .

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The idea is to bring back the Fusion name/line with new speakers designed to have a more full range response making them better for mixed use then the HTM's which are more strictly HT oriented and meant to be used with subs.



Last I heard the Alchemy's will be brought back but I am not sure what line they will fit into.
Might I suggest a new category? How about:

All-arounders
Multi-roll
Do-it-alls

Speakers that are maybe in-between what are considered traditional music-optimized and speakers considered HT-specific.

Just an idea...

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I think the Fusion name works quite well for their intended roll.

Fusion - "The process of combining two or more distinct entities into a new whole".
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can a brother and fellow believer get an AMEN
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I liked the fusion line for the sensitivity and well...ocd... matching the seos and driver sizes. If the seos/cd's and crossover schematics were available, I'd be fine making my own baffles and ordering the rest of the parts from PartsExpress
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diysg still down? Been down for about 4 days? Maybe Erich is updating the site?

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It was down Saturday morning.

The hosting company said the site was getting targeted with a large amount of traffic/hits from one IP address. I guess they normally shut the site down for a couple minutes, then bring it back up which would normally solve the issue if it was a 'spam bot' or whatever. But they said it kept happening 4 more times from the same IP, so they shut the site down to keep it from causing issues with the server it's on. I don't know a lot about websites or hosting companies and I'm not sure when it will be turned back on.....so I might get a little vacation time.
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It was down Saturday morning.

The hosting company said the site was getting targeted with a large amount of traffic/hits from one IP address.
Sorry, probably me trying to get first crack at the Fusion-8s.

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so I might get a little vacation time.
And deservedly so!
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....... I'm not sure when it will be turned back on.....so I might get a little vacation time.
But.... but...... but.......

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so weird. Of all the sites to get a 'DNS' attack (or whatever it is called).
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My open high ceiling family room is at 5.1.2 via DIYSG, Fusion-8/Cinema-8 MTM RCL up front and Fusion-8 TM in back, with Volt-8 sealed as Atmos TM's.
Due to rear of room constraints, and need to lower the back surrounds, I'm putting HTM-6's there as they are thinner.
Maybe I will put a 2nd pair of HTM'6's up front as Atmos Front Heights for 5.1.4, tbd.

I will use the Fusion-8's TM's ... not sure where yet possible as computer 2 ch for now.

Basement HT needs a full speaker upgrade, as what's doen there is 2008 commercial stuff, Paradigm, in a 9.2.4 / 7.2.6 setup.
I am looking forward to getting my hands onto (2) pairs of HTM-8's, as I will use those for side/rear surrounds, as soon as they are live I'm placing the order.

I've been eyeing Titans for front soundstage, but the upgraded 1099's .... catch my eye just now...

fwiw ... I also got this "503 Service Unavailable
Server currently undergoing maintenance. Webmaster: please contact support."
via this https://www.diysoundgroup.com/

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It was down Saturday morning.

The hosting company said the site was getting targeted with a large amount of traffic/hits from one IP address. I guess they normally shut the site down for a couple minutes, then bring it back up which would normally solve the issue if it was a 'spam bot' or whatever. But they said it kept happening 4 more times from the same IP, so they shut the site down to keep it from causing issues with the server it's on. I don't know a lot about websites or hosting companies and I'm not sure when it will be turned back on.....so I might get a little vacation time.
The ISP should be able to quickly block the offending IP address.
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so weird. Of all the sites to get a 'DNS' attack (or whatever it is called).
And the IP seems to be originating from within the JBL headquarters. I kid
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The ISP should be able to quickly block the offending IP address.
I would have thought so too. Maybe that's an extra service or something that I'm not aware of, but I did ask about it in my email to the hosting company. They said there were over 73000 hits to the site very quickly. Someone really loves speakers!
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I would have thought so too. Maybe that's an extra service or something that I'm not aware of, but I did ask about it in my email to the hosting company. They said there were over 73000 hits to the site very quickly. Someone really loves speakers!
Perhaps, but they generally protect the customer's/commercial site and maintain uptime at all costs...that often involves defense against DoS attacks, Bots and the like.

Hopefully, it all stems from overwhelming demand for audio!

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I would have thought so too. Maybe that's an extra service or something that I'm not aware of, but I did ask about it in my email to the hosting company. They said there were over 73000 hits to the site very quickly. Someone really loves speakers!


Wow... think of all that lost revenue!


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The hosting company said the site was getting targeted with a large amount of traffic/hits from one IP address. I guess they normally shut the site down for a couple minutes, then bring it back up which would normally solve the issue if it was a 'spam bot' or whatever. But they said it kept happening 4 more times from the same IP, so they shut the site down to keep it from causing issues with the server it's on. I don't know a lot about websites or hosting companies and I'm not sure when it will be turned back on.....so I might get a little vacation time.
Please don't take offense but that sounds like some crazy behaviour on the part of your web host. The solution is to block the malicious IPs, not take your business offline.

That said if you did want to take a break....

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Seriously, it literally takes 15 seconds to add a line to the nginx config to stop this:

deny 1.2.3.4;

That's it.

Your hoster is bad, and they should feel bad.
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Please don't take offense but that sounds like some crazy behaviour on the part of your web host. The solution is to block the malicious IPs, not take your business offline.

That said if you did want to take a break....

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I can't get offended because I don't really know what most of it means anyway.

Maybe they don't actually take the site down, just stop access to the site for a minute or two and then allow access again to see if it continues. They did that 4 times, but it continued, so they just took the whole site down. I'll have to do some research on automatically blocking IP's because the person on live chat acted like I had to manually block them.

It does look like the site is back up though, so my emailing vacation might get cut short until the next time it happens!

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Not to go too far off topic but it does very much depend on how the hosting provider is setup and how your specific account is setup.

Sure it's very simple to block one IP in principle but there's really a lot more to it otherwise. Anyway, site is back up and all is well.

Looking forward to the new speakers!
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It does look like the site is back up though, so my emailing vacation might get cut short until the next time it happens!
Aaaaannnnd....it is down again.

Has the site been updated with pictures, tech information and so on about the new Coaxes, Alchemy or HTM/HT speakers? If not, you can post it here for rapid feedback of your efforts. I don't think the Russians have started hacking AVS yet--but if you post and AVS goes down, then we know!

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Can your provider give you a physical address of the offending ip address, in case 'we wanted to research it'?...........

This is a blanket statement because I despise people who use the Internet for nefarious purposes....

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I think the largest reason for less interest in the Fusion line is the Home Theater Monitor line is the first major line to have a name where it says a use purpose. So now people believe you need that for home theater.
Eric H isn't a marketer, and I don't think that effect really was understood.
Perhaps an explanation on what qualities make a speaker better for theater or music on the site would help as well.

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