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post #1 of 22 Old 01-28-2019, 03:55 PM - Thread Starter
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NDeNIal's Elusive 1099 Build

I know there are a ton of these build threads already. Unfortunately, going through this process I have had to reference multiple threads and I thought I could do my best to make a more comprehensive build thread.

Once I am complete with the build I will update this thread with the nuances that I think are pertinent.

For now, you can follow along with my photo album on Google
https://photos.app.*******/PruMU7fFSvH1PxyL7

Seems that the forum wont let me paste my google album, so I put it up on a temporary site: http://www.amubu.com/gallery

I am currently waiting on the wood putty to dry so I can sand and prep for primer.

I purchased my 1099 speakers as a kit from www.diysoundgroup.com

I chose to use a horizontal center, not for any particular reason other than in case I ever change my set up in the future and don't want it standing tall in the center. I am currently using a DIY Spandex AT 125" screen and plan to put these behind it.

I also added the PCB Kit to the order, and the gold plated terminals (one set per speaker). The PCB that came for all three speakers was version E10.3 by denon audio.

Before I started my build, I made sure to have all the parts I needed. This included:

3 x 1099 Flat packs
3 x 1099 Speaker kits
3 x 1099 crossover PCB's
3 x Speaker Terminal sets
1 x King sized 1.5" Mattress topper (NOT MEMORY FOAM)
1 x 20lb box of Poly fil from Joann fabrics (You wont need this much, but it was on sale for $34, and I'm sure to build more speakers in the future!)
1 x Pack of hot glue sticks
Electrical Solder (about 4oz of 1mm)
Titebond Wood glue
8" Zip Ties
Wood Putty
12-18awg Wire (your choice of color, but black and red are standard, I had 14awg from other projects that I used)
Black spray paint
1/4" staples

(Optional for standoffs):
12 6-32 wood inserts
12 6-32 machine screws (1 1/4")
12 Nylon 1/2" spacers
12 5/16th rubber grommets


Tools that I used for this build:
4 x 18 or 24" clamps (more the better)
Brad Nailer w/ 1 1/4" brad nails
square (to make sure your box is squared up)
Tape Measure
Corner Clamps (Helped hold pieces where they should be)
1" Wood Chisel
Screw Drivers
Palm Sander/ 150grit paper, 220 grit paper
Body filler spreaders
Solder gun
Hot glue gun
Staple gun
Wire Stripper / cutter
Dikes


More to follow...

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Sanded and primed:

Used 150grit to knock down the filler.
Then wiped down with denatured alcohol.
Primed with BIN, using a 1/4" nap 4 inch roller, then tipped with a brush.

Waiting 45 minutes then priming the baffles and second coating the sides.
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After the boxes were primed with BIN (prime 1 coat, fix any holes with wood putty, wait 6 hours, apply second coat) the next step was the paint.

Prior to painting I sanded with 320 grit paper. Wiped it down with a damp cloth, let it dry. I then applied the first coat of paint with a 6" foam roller. The paint that I used was Krylon Colormaxx grey.
[IMG]https://photos.app.*******/9mniuFMsPPSZ2R99A[/IMG]

I painted the boxes with the baffle down. I did not paint the baffle at this time. Painted two coats about 2 hours apart.
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The next day I came back and painted the baffles. To do this, I used the pretaped masking that comes in a roll. It was perfect for creating the straight line for the baffle. Before applying the masking material, I marked where I wanted the line to be on all four sides. This helped me keep the tape straight. I set the line to be as close to the joint of the baffle and side as possible. Once fully taped, I stuffed the holes with cardboard to keep the spray from getting in.
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To spray the baffles I used Rustoleum Multicolor Textured spray paint. The three baffles took about 3 cans of paint. I highly recommend not spraying it on any closer than about 18-24" away, as it comes out with some force and very concentrated. I really enjoy the texture and look of this spray and everyone comments on how nice it looks.

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Once the baffles were dry, I stuffed the center with polyfill and crimped my speaker cables with 1/4" female connectors. I also put the foam tape on the mid's and the waveguide. The kit comes with three peices of foam tape, two short pieces and one long piece. The long goes on the waveguide and the short ones go around the mids. I installed the foam onto the speaker.
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In case you were wondering how to hook the speakers up, I connected the mids like this:
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Lastly, I had to mark the holes for each speaker so I could predrill the holes for the mounting screws. I found that a centerpunch was ideal:
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This is how they sit:
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I have to pull my screen down and knock some holes into the wall so I can mount them behind the screen.

But before I do that, I need to finish this:
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Looks Good!

These speakers are amazing. I built the LCR with the Horizontal center 7 months ago. Today I am building two more for surrounds. I like multi-channel music and listen to music in extended stereo mode quite often. So it seemed like the thing to do.

Keep us posted on your progress and listening impressions.
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Thanks for the motivation. I can't wait to hear these things. My brother keeps asking if their done yet. He seems intrigued that I am building my own speakers.

I'm trying my best to not rush through the finishing stage, I get a little OCD and take longer than I should lol, trying to find that balance is hard.

Even though these are going to be behind a screen, I want to make them look good if I were to ever have to move or put them out in the open. Also, I don't want to tell people "check out these speakers I made" and have them look like I made them, instead I want to make them look professional. It would be a disservice to Tux and Erich to make them look like crap after all the time went into the design.

I am also putting on dataplates that are going to be laser engraved. I have three different materials that Ill use and decide after they come out which one I want.

The finish I think will be satin gray with a darker gray stone textured baffle.

I have to go to Home Depot to get some more DAP Plastic Wood. The stuff works great, just like working with bondo when doing body panels. Just need a little more to do minor details before putting on my primer coat (BIN Shellac tinted gray). I'll finish up the touch ups today, and sand / prime tomorrow.
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Those are looking beautiful! Please keep us “posted” on the progress; I’d love to see the final results!
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I'm getting closer and closer to making the decision to get some 1099s for LCR for my TV setup after seeing threads like these.
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I'm getting closer and closer to making the decision to get some 1099s for LCR for my TV setup after seeing threads like these.
I bought these in November on a whim... I was ready to start my theater in my basement and I went with the 1099's because I didn't want to bother ever having to get another set of speakers. Didn't want buyers remorse.

I will let you know how that turns out lol. I'm glad diysoundgroup takes paypal credit

They are much easier to build than expected, I was intimidated because I never built speakers before. Like I said earlier I have OCD and had to make sure everything was lined up right. With the flat packs it went so smooth. I I almost think I am going overkill with multiple coats of filler to clean them up (I worked at an Autobody shop when I was a teen).

Primer will be going on in 30 minutes!!!
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Are you using your AVR to power these? How much power will they get?
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I'm getting closer and closer to making the decision to get some 1099s for LCR for my TV setup after seeing threads like these.
Do it!! My 1299's are one of the best decisions I ever made.

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Are you using your AVR to power these? How much power will they get?
I will be using a Yamaha RX-A870 (110w/channel) for the movies.

My dad is going to let me use his Sansui AU-717 Integrated Amplifier, we will see how clear they sound for music. My dad boasts about his Sansui and its clarity/power, but I looked at the specs of 85w/channel... He claims it will blow away a modern 500w amp...
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First coat done. Had to wait for the garage to warm up before I started. Have to wait 6 hours for the second coat. Tomorrow night I'll spray the baffles.
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Coming down the home stretch! I really like how the Rust-Oleum multi texture spray came out.

Two coats of krylon colormaxx satin gray for the cabinet, and three coats of the Rust-Oleum for the baffles.

I prepped the primer with 320 grit, but you can see some fine markings in some spots but not enough to make me worry.

Speakers will be in late tonight, I have to go on a work trip tomorrow so I may not get to listen to them yet.
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Watching! These might be good for my TV!

GSG Full Marty Build: https://youtu.be/-U1deD_0j9c
UM18-22 Sealed Subwoofer Build: https://youtu.be/7ifac8Rh8gk
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They are done, ill update the photos and more info about the build in the next week or two. I have some more pressing matters to attend to at the moment. But this is how they are currently, they will be put behind the screen soon enough.
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Binding posts or terminal cups? What do most people use when building these?
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Binding posts or terminal cups? What do most people use when building these?
I found most people use the binding posts available on diysoundgroup site. That is what I used as well, easy to install, seal, and are good quality.
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Speakons!!!! That is all I use. Simple, dependable, high current, locking, airtight and attractive. PE is the cheapest/easiest source for genuine Neutrik brand Speakons. Don't bother with the GLS stuff on amazon and elsewhere. Stick with the originals.

For super easy installation on the cabinet side, use these:

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Then making your own speaker cables is a piece of cake and you can use whatever 4-pole type you like. I like using the right angle versions so they don't stick out very far:

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These things sound great, but I need to get them dialed in. They also make my small sony HTIB subwoofer sound like its just not there. So, Im building my Best Buy 12" JBL 4 sub box now.

Unfortunately I do not have a mic or the software to truely eq them, so once I get them and my sub in place, I will use the YPAO to get them tuned. I will have to figure out the subwoofer seperately.
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Made these at work last week. Going to go with the black with gold/silver lettering on these. Not sure what I'll do with the gold/silver set.
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Made these at work last week. Going to go with the black with gold/silver lettering on these. Not sure what I'll do with the gold/silver set.
Beautiful.

I was considering some aluminium "Elusive 1099" plates but only the front is visible on mine.

Those look amazing.

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Thank you,

I will be putting these behind a screen so they wont be visible either. I just wanted to add that final "professional" touch. And this way the dataplate has all the specs on it for the future. If I ever wanted to sell them and upgrade to the 1299 or titans. People who do not know of the DIY speakers will at least feel like they weren't garage built

I have this extra set of silver and gold plates, perhaps I'll have to build three more now lol. I also had some etching aluminum with gold top layer black bottom layer but after I did the black set I was happy with them.
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