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Need recommendation for 12 inch subwoofer and cabinet

Good evening all,


I will be loosing my dedicated home theatre room and will need to use the living room. I currently have 2 micro marty sub but they are too big for my new space.



Therefore i am looking for recommendation for 12 inch subwoofer and cabinet.



My living room measurement are as follow



left wall: 13 feet 11 inches

back wall 7 feet 9 inches
front wall 11feet 10 1/2 inches

right wall 11 feet 6 7/16 inches



Thanks for your recommendation



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so, to be clear...you want the highest output 12" you can get for a space of mentioned size to replace boxes that house 15 and 18" subs....

what are you using for amplification, what type of spl?
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look at Bill Fitzmaurice for a table tuba

You want a horn loaded home theatre sub that can deliver over 110dB at 20 Hz. Your wife's reply is "Over my dead body do I share my living room with a big sub-woofer thing." The answer? No, not a .38 Special. It's Table Tuba, a 30x30x16 inch horn loaded sub that will do double duty as a piece of fine furniture, so you can have the sound you want and she won't complain about it.

looks like space is tight

or

or even a THTLP using a 12"

surf on over there . .

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look at Bill Fitzmaurice for a table tuba



You want a horn loaded home theatre sub that can deliver over 110dB at 20 Hz. Your wife's reply is "Over my dead body do I share my living room with a big sub-woofer thing." The answer? No, not a .38 Special. It's Table Tuba, a 30x30x16 inch horn loaded sub that will do double duty as a piece of fine furniture, so you can have the sound you want and she won't complain about it.



looks like space is tight



or



or even a THTLP using a 12"



surf on over there . .



HTH
I was wondering sort of the same thing. Couldn't you reconfigure the boxes to make them stealthy? End table, coffee table, etc?

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^ Spend some time at the BFM site . .

dressing up the sub / matching colors / wood grain / etc. for high WAF, no end to the possibilities

and is often the last resort of genius /subterfuge

reconfiguring the boxes - kinda troublesome

some good work to google- @squiers007

and his endtable marty cubes- first rate smarts
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so, to be clear...you want the highest output 12" you can get for a space of mentioned size to replace boxes that house 15 and 18" subs....

what are you using for amplification, what type of spl?

To be clear i would keep the two micro marty if i could but they will be way too big for my living room.



So yeah i am kind of looking for a 12 inch sub ported or seal that will provide me with with i don't know let say around 105 db peak......I am currently using 2 Behringer EP4000 to drive the Micro Marty , i will probably use them for the new sub

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My favourite 12" sub = Alpine SWR-1223D budget build.

Really any Alpine R model will do, they all model very similarly - ie get low and loud in a smallish box. The current models seem to have been upgraded with shorting rings for lower Le and distortion...

Or better yet, same 75ltr box, better driver....



Green = SWX ideal;
Yellow = SWR ideal; and
Pink = SWX in SWR ideal (my mate couldn't get the WAF approval for the ideal sized box....)



Pink = SWX (in 75 ltr box) Close mic'ed no EQ;
Red= SWX (in 75 ltr box) @ MLP no EQ.



Then again, if you can stretch to a 100ltr box then .....

Alpine SWR-1522D budget build
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Do you have access to the Attic above the AV room? Maybe this is where I get to see the totally stealthy bandpass sub that would go in the Attic. All you would see in the room would be a 6-7" hole which could be painted or a flush cover installed.

You could keep your driver's and just build a new box. MDF is cheap and the box would be completely out of the room with the only connection between the room and the box being the port. 'ave a go!

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My favourite 12" sub = Alpine SWR-1223D budget build.

Really any Alpine R model will do, they all model very similarly - ie get low and loud in a smallish box. The current models seem to have been upgraded with shorting rings for lower Le and distortion...

Or better yet, same 75ltr box, better driver....



Green = SWX ideal;
Yellow = SWR ideal; and
Pink = SWX in SWR ideal (my mate couldn't get the WAF approval for the ideal sized box....)



Pink = SWX (in 75 ltr box) Close mic'ed no EQ;
Red= SWX (in 75 ltr box) @ MLP no EQ.



Then again, if you can stretch to a 100ltr box then .....

Alpine SWR-1522D budget build





Thanks looks interesting i will look into this one.Where can i buy the Alpine Driver ? Parts-Express??

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Do you have access to the Attic above the AV room? Maybe this is where I get to see the totally stealthy bandpass sub that would go in the Attic. All you would see in the room would be a 6-7" hole which could be painted or a flush cover installed.

You could keep your driver's and just build a new box. MDF is cheap and the box would be completely out of the room with the only connection between the room and the box being the port. 'ave a go!

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I do not have any attic in my house.

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So yeah i am kind of looking for a 12 inch sub ported or seal that will provide me with with i don't know let say around 105 db peak......I am currently using 2 Behringer EP4000 to drive the Micro Marty , i will probably use them for the new sub
OK, so we know the amp, but you haven't said what your size constraints are.

A UM12-22 in a 4 - 4.5 ft^3 ported box tuned to 20Hz with only 300w will get you that 105 peak easily. Modeling in WinISD shows 105 at ~20Hz. I have 2 of them in ~4.2 ft^3 boxes in my family room (build in my sig) and they hit hard and low in a larger room than yours. Sealed in the same 4.2 ft^3 will give you 105 with the same 300w, but at ~35Hz.

So we need more specifics here:
How low are you trying to go?
What is the maximum size cabinet you can fit?
What is your budget?

Keep in mind that position is one of the most important aspects of getting the best from your subwoofers.

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I do not have any attic in my house.
Your only hope it's an end table or coffee table...

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You could go with the Stereo Integrity 11" driver. You just need a .5 cuft after bracing and a .4cuft driver displacement. So perhaps a 1x1x1 cube. WinISD. It requires a lot of power but I was able to model an F3 of 25Hz after EQ and max SPL of 110dB

https://stereointegrity.com/product/hst11-11-subwoofer/



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OK, so we know the amp, but you haven't said what your size constraints are.

A UM12-22 in a 4 - 4.5 ft^3 ported box tuned to 20Hz with only 300w will get you that 105 peak easily. Modeling in WinISD shows 105 at ~20Hz. I have 2 of them in ~4.2 ft^3 boxes in my family room (build in my sig) and they hit hard and low in a larger room than yours. Sealed in the same 4.2 ft^3 will give you 105 with the same 300w, but at ~35Hz.

So we need more specifics here:
How low are you trying to go?
What is the maximum size cabinet you can fit?
What is your budget?

Keep in mind that position is one of the most important aspects of getting the best from your subwoofers.
This imo is the right direction. In fact if you are in the midwest jk7.2 has a pair of custom12s in diysg 4cft cabs which imo is exactly what you want. If not local i would build 4cft cabs for umax12s.
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OK, so we know the amp, but you haven't said what your size constraints are.

A UM12-22 in a 4 - 4.5 ft^3 ported box tuned to 20Hz with only 300w will get you that 105 peak easily. Modeling in WinISD shows 105 at ~20Hz. I have 2 of them in ~4.2 ft^3 boxes in my family room (build in my sig) and they hit hard and low in a larger room than yours. Sealed in the same 4.2 ft^3 will give you 105 with the same 300w, but at ~35Hz.

So we need more specifics here:
How low are you trying to go?
What is the maximum size cabinet you can fit?
What is your budget?

Keep in mind that position is one of the most important aspects of getting the best from your subwoofers.

Right now my mini marty as a cubic volume of 3,75 and a HPF of 23 HZ . Cubic size i would like to be able to get down to 3 CF or maybe 2,75 CF and a HPF of 16 to 20 is it realistic ??


budget wise if i can keeo it below $1000 i would be happy



3,75 CF is pretty much the max i can fit,,wife think it will be too big and intrusive

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You might want to check out the CSS SDX12 as well. It models nicely in a 1 cu ft sealed enclosure with a lot of power and about 6dB of boost @ 23Hz.
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