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I wonder..... how many people have owned all three of the speakers in this thread title.
I have. They are all great.
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Alright since it would help to have a horizontal center channel for the next few years at least i will skip the titan. now for the 1299 since i would need to build a box I just want to make sure i have the needed tools, what all do I need? I have numerous sanding tools, table saw, jigsaw handheld, hand held power saw. Do I need a router? I will need to buy the clamps since they need to be massive and what glue do you advise for only gluing and not nailing. Any recommendation for ported or sealed when using a very powerful subwoofer, what hz would you cross sealed vs ported? I'm aiming for 60hz or 70hz crossover.
Looks like you're pretty well set up..A router is nice for ports and to flush trim.If you have or want a compressor,I find a brad nailer/stapler very helpful.You don't need it but it sure helps me!I use Titebond 2 wood glue.

If your cuts aren't good PL adhesive fills gaps.If you have a Harbor Freight nearby their clamps work well and are pretty cheap.

I would do a sealed center and ported L&R and probably still crossover at 80hz.Look up blister64 build and some others.What sub/subs are you using?
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I wonder..... how many people have owned all three of the speakers in this thread title.
I have. They are all great.
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BCRSS is spot on! The dust gets everywhere. Make sure you have a good dust mask to wear while you cut/sand it. I'd recommend you do the cutting/sanding/routering outside if you can.


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Guess you missed the part where I said I was from South Dakota? The only thing I go outside for this time of year is blowing snow off the driveway and that's in a complete Arctic grade snowmobile suit!

Think I'll just invest in (or make) a decent dust extractor for my circular saw.



Dyter, I highly recommend 4 tools for cutting the boxes:

1.) A good circular saw. I just upgraded to a Dewalt 60v flex volt cordless. It's awesome! Using a 60t fine cut blade and it's like rolling through soft butter with a hot wire! 😉. You can use a table saw if you like, but I find it much easier to use a circular saw when dealing with large chunks of heavy sheets! (Trying to run a thin 4'x8' sheet through a table saw is a pain... 3/4" MDF? Plan to have a helper or two.)

2.) A good tape measure and a sharp pencil. The more precise you are with your marks, the better the cuts, the easier the assembly.

3.) A good square and/or a T-Square (nicer for drawing marks for the bigger dimensions of the 1299).

4.) A clamping guide! Like this... Bora 50" WTX Clamp Edge Saw Guide this makes life easy! Just make sure you take into account the distance between the saw edge and blade. I cut from the wrong side on my first cut and I was about a blades width short. Not a big deal. I just cut the other two sides to match and now my center is just a 1/16th of an inch shorter than the other two. Doh!

If you're cutting your own baffles, definitely get a jigsaw and a router involved for the circles and any cutouts you need.

For clamps, 4 x 18-24" ratchet/quick clamps should be plenty. Tite bond III works great for glue (lay a good bead and then spread it even with a foam brush). And finally, I highly recommend a couple of 90 degree corner clamps. I have a couple (only about $6 each) and they pretty much guarantee you'll have nice square an flush corners.

The above is exactly what I did. Took me less than 15 minutes with an orbital sander to clean up all the seams and completely smooth the back panel to 220 grit on my 1099 box this morning. If I was going for a high quality paint finish, then it would have taken another 10-15 minutes to add a bit of bondo to 2-3 minor low spots on a couple corners. I put two coats of Rustoleum Matte Black 2x ultra cover paint primer on the back panel and it looks like a clean chalk board. A couple coats of filling primer with a higher grit sanding after each could quickly get you to a point where a high gloss black would look outstanding.
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The Titan 612 had the magnum 12” drivers in them in a sealed box and dsp was used on them with crown dsi amp from what I remember. The waveguides cd and mid used the standard Titan crossover on them. Lots of xmax in those drivers so the demo was really impressive in my room and had a nice warm sound to them.

The Titan driver also has a lot of xmax to which is nice for midbass and low end.

The 1299 has the least amount of xmax out of these drivers but does sound really nice, as we all heard in Jared’s room.

I would ask your sell what your goals are and how are you going to play these with subs. My dual Titan build the 630 xxl has tons of midbass and low end which was my goal as mains in my room and setup large in my avr so they play full range and still crossed over at 80hz.

There’s lots of kits that can be bought what fits your space the best with your budget and what goals do you have is what I would think about.
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Hey Im actually in the process of finishing up my 1299 build. A lot of the guys responding here were a huge help in my success. Send me a PM and I can share with you a lot of the information they provided me as well as some lessons learned and me experience so far. I plan to add it all to my build thread in the future but have been busy as all heck. Free time I do have I have been working on getting the speakers prepared for veneering next week.

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I highly recommend buying a good router. They are so useful I don't know how I ever lived without one. You could actually build an entire speaker with clamps and a router. The amount of time you can save makes them an awesome value.
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I just want to make sure i make the correct choice as these will most likely be the final speakers for the theater for the next 20-30 years. only thing i plan to do after they are built is repairs when needed.
For your own sake, you really should listen to these speakers against other offerings. Buying/building a speaker to be your final pair for 20 years without listening to it first is really only something you do if they are really inexpensive speakers. Too many sound quality differences from one design to another.
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I'm in a similar position and looking at the 1099 or 1299 for L/R speakers (Titans are too wide for my space). Referencing posts from tuxedocivic and BCRSS, I understand that the 1299 has very similar sound quality with an increase in mid bass. I see many people are using stands for their 1099s to get the waveguide at ear level. That's 36" for me, which translates to a ~14" stand and total height of ~50". This basically bumps the 1099 to a similar size as the 1299, which is 40" tall sealed and 52" tall ported. What's the advantage to going with a 1099 if you're going to put it on a stand, which is essentially wasted space, and make it the same size as the 1299 anyway?

Regarding the waveguide height, I've seen some builds that put the waveguide/tweeter at the top to avoid using stands. Tuxedocivic talked about the design impact of TMWW here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...l#post26300345. I think the vertical polar plot would tell me the impact of leaving the waveguide in the "low" position. I've read a lot of info on these designs but most of the pictures were missing, so I couldn't find a plot. I'm calculating that a 16" height difference from my 11' listening position is 6-7 deg.

Second question, I don't understand how the 1299 can have better mid bass when the DIYSG specs show 50 Hz minimum for the 1099, 75 Hz for the sealed 1299, and 55 Hz for the ported 1299. A couple plots showing the modeled and actual frequency responses back up these specs. Presumably they both give flat frequency response, so how does the 1299 have better mid bass? I'm sure I'm oversimplifying here.

For my minor contribution, I attached a size comparison that I drew up. I'm using dimensions for the standard DIYSG builds.
1099: 12.5"W x 14.5"D x 36.25"H
1099 on stand: 12.5"W x 14.5"D x 50.25"H
1299 (sealed): 14.75"W x 13"D x 40"H
1299 (ported): 14.75"W x 14"D x 52"H
1899: 22"W x 14.25"D x 64"H

Any insight is appreciated!
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I found an answer about the height of the 1099s: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/401-d...l#post42385169
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No problem. These have a say 20 degree vertical listening window. Maybe more.
If anyone can find the polar plot I'd love to see it. It sounds like they could be left on the ground and listening from 10' away would be fine.
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I have a set of 3 Standard version Titans for my front stage... I hardly even use my center channel anymore. I think these sound amazing, I use 4 of the VBBS subs tuned to 31hz with them. In a 400 sq foot room, these will make you eyes bleed with a true 100 watts a channel. If I had anything to say I wanted changed, I might ask for them to be slight more forward sounding. I never hear anything form the '99 series but from what I read they are certainly that. The Titans are deceptively loud, they are so gentle on your ears you do not realize how loud you are listening to your music.
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I can likely fit 1299s in my space as long as they are sealed or ported with small-ish cabinet size. I see some builds on here that are using 5-6 ft^3 cabinets but I can't reasonably fit speakers that size (Jk7.2, blister64, superkyle).

I input the Eminence Delta 10b specs for the 1099 and assumed a single ported box. I'm modeling the woofer only. I adjusted the input power to match the SPL at 250 Hz between all the designs so I can compare the frequency curves. The results matches up pretty well with tuxedcivic's plot from here: /http://www.hificircuit.com/community...aker-kits.441/


The next one adds the sealed 1299, which matches up well with tuxedocivic's plot from this thread. That makes me feel like I'm in the ballpark with these models. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...oundgroup.html


Compared to some ported designs with 55Hz tuning, 4.4 ft^3 in green and 3.6 ft^3 in red:


And finally compared to to the large cabinet and/or low port tuning designs from blister64 and ZX3ST. 4.6 ft^3 with 35 Hz tuning in purple, 4.88 ft^3 with 41Hz tuning in orange.


It seems like I could make a smaller cabinet, tune it around 55 Hz, and pick up some SPL around 100Hz. Is that an improvement in sound quality and mid-bass over using the 1099 with the intended cabinet size?

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What part of the world are you in? You might want to ask others on this forum if you can hear their 1099's, 1299's, HTM's, Titans in person. The crowd on AVSforum is a great group of people that are very willing to help others. I live near Asheville, NC and have a pair of 1299's (and love them). Whatever DIYSG speakers you choose will be wonderful. My recommendation is to go with the biggest models you can fit/afford.


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I know this post was forever ago, but geez I'd like to hear somebody's 1099's to see whether I want them over Klipsch.
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I know this post was forever ago, but geez I'd like to hear somebody's 1099's to see whether I want them over Klipsch.
Okay, but you didn't seem to bother mentioning what part of the world you're in.
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Okay, but you didn't seem to bother mentioning what part of the world you're in.
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You might be hard pressed to get a listing session in the near future with the current state of the world.
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I have a set of 3 Standard version Titans for my front stage... I hardly even use my center channel anymore. I think these sound amazing, I use 4 of the VBBS subs tuned to 31hz with them. In a 400 sq foot room, these will make you eyes bleed with a true 100 watts a channel. If I had anything to say I wanted changed, I might ask for them to be slight more forward sounding. I never hear anything form the '99 series but from what I read they are certainly that. The Titans are deceptively loud, they are so gentle on your ears you do not realize how loud you are listening to your music.
the titans really are amazing, loud and powerful yet nuanced enough to articulate fine detail, amazing for my exact setup was the sound stage, i have 3 titans for the front stage as well and in 2.0 it can sound like all 3 are on. even with some music that spins from left to right and back, close your eyes and you hear the item moving back and forth with just 2 speakers. sometimes it even sounds like i have side surrounds from just the front 2, in a good way (even with 4 inch sound panels on the wall)

beware anyone buying these you will feel the need to upgrade your subwoofer, i then had to upgrade my projector feet with isolation pads meant for vinyl players as the image would shake my 35 pound wall mounted PJ! then you will be compelled to build 10 inch surrounds and atmos speakers as well. happened to me.
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I know this post was forever ago, but geez I'd like to hear somebody's 1099's to see whether I want them over Klipsch.
over what klipsch? maybe check out youtube for life of bliss (he has 1299s but pretty in depth and compared to some nicer prebuilt polks he had a while back like the 2017 polk models maybe)
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the titans really are amazing, loud and powerful yet nuanced enough to articulate fine detail, amazing for my exact setup was the sound stage, i have 3 titans for the front stage as well and in 2.0 it can sound like all 3 are on. even with some music that spins from left to right and back, close your eyes and you hear the item moving back and forth with just 2 speakers. sometimes it even sounds like i have side surrounds from just the front 2, in a good way (even with 4 inch sound panels on the wall)

beware anyone buying these you will feel the need to upgrade your subwoofer, i then had to upgrade my projector feet with isolation pads meant for vinyl players as the image would shake my 35 pound wall mounted PJ! then you will be compelled to build 10 inch surrounds and atmos speakers as well. happened to me.
Sounds like you're right where I think I want to be.
My room is 17x29x8. It's above my garage and has a staircase coming up to it, which makes the back of the room a little smaller than the dimensions would imply.

Initially I was thinking 1099s for LCR... but then Bliss turned me on to some larger alternatives in the 1299s. Then I read several reviews on the Titans from new owners and people who've attended GTGs and got to enjoy them. I believe I have plenty of room, since there is no WAF (this isn't her area of the house) and it's a 100% dedicated theater space. I plan on going with an AT and having LCR behind it along with either 2 Full Martys or a Devastator (or 2?). To finish out the room, I wasn't sure if I wanted additional 1099/1299s for the surrounds or if HTMs would be a better fit, or if Volt 10s would work for surrounds and atmos. 1-2 more Marty's in the rear, or an additional Devastator. BOSS platforms for first and 2nd row seating.

Big thanks for the forum, and all of the youtube channels I've been following for a while now - Youthman, Bliss, JDM World, etc... and that's in addition to all of the content Scott Wilkinson has put out there. Really appreciate all of the insight, knowledge, and DIY that is out there to keep me completely uncertain about what I want to do with my room.
FWIW - the room is bare right now... plywood floor and just studded out.

So I'm in the same boat as the OP, I plan on buying DIY kits from DIYSG, and if the Titans are going to be better at doing the job, I have to go that route.
Now, he has subs already... I don't know if 4 FMs or 2 DEVs would be more appropriate for the space, or some combination of the 2.
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Here's how I justify our abundant research into speakers/subs we may want--I want to do it right the first time. I don't have a lot of time and money to buy build upgrade on a whim. I'm looking into Ht-12, 1099, titan 615lx, vortex 15.
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