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New to DIY, 1099 vs 1299 vs titan615lx

Hi, I'm new to the diy speaker world. I am fairly good at many other DIY projects and I assembled not built my cars subwoofer less than a year ago. I found out with my budget that these DIY 1099, 1299, or titan615lx would most likely provide me with the best sound quality i can afford. the other choices being PSA210t or a few others. my question is which of the DIY speakers provide the best movie theater sound. I will be pairing this with a rythmik g25hp so i dont need them to hit down low. 60hz crossover? My use is 80% movies and tv 15%games and 5% music. room is currently about 15x15 and 10 foot tall but i will be moving and in the future hope to have a whole floor of the home with an open floor plan to be a man cave where these speakers will live. right now i am partial to the 1299 after research on this forum. any reason to avoid it. I would need to buy the crossover assembled and would prefer buying a flat pack of the cabinet but if needed i could most likely cut and build one myself. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, especially if you have heard two or all three of these speakers and could let me know the tonal differences.
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Hi, I'm new to the diy speaker world. I am fairly good at many other DIY projects and I assembled not built my cars subwoofer less than a year ago. I found out with my budget that these DIY 1099, 1299, or titan615lx would most likely provide me with the best sound quality i can afford. the other choices being PSA210t or a few others. my question is which of the DIY speakers provide the best movie theater sound. I will be pairing this with a rythmik g25hp so i dont need them to hit down low. 60hz crossover? My use is 80% movies and tv 15%games and 5% music. room is currently about 15x15 and 10 foot tall but i will be moving and in the future hope to have a whole floor of the home with an open floor plan to be a man cave where these speakers will live. right now i am partial to the 1299 after research on this forum. any reason to avoid it. I would need to buy the crossover assembled and would prefer buying a flat pack of the cabinet but if needed i could most likely cut and build one myself. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, especially if you have heard two or all three of these speakers and could let me know the tonal differences.
The only in stock option you have right now is the 1099. It has a flatpack and an assemble xover (currently out of stock). The Titans and 1299's are listed as out of stock too but Erich would be more help on timing there. I can't comment on the sound of any of them but have been going through the same process over the past few weeks. Currently waiting to see what's going to be available and some sort of ETA. The mantra hear is either...."go big or go home'...or 'pick the right speaker for your room size and setup'. I tend to lean toward the former.
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I second the drop Erich an email recommendation. He generally knows what he's got and when stuff will be back in stock. Be aware that you might have to be patient. I probably too me a couple of months in all to get everything I needed, but Erich was very accommodating and I ended up getting several things that weren't even up on the website. A bit of a hassle, but the price and quality are right, and Erich could be a professional packer!

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I second the drop Erich an email recommendation. He generally knows what he's got and when stuff will be back in stock. Be aware that you might have to be patient. I probably too me a couple of months in all to get everything I needed, but Erich was very accommodating and I ended up getting several things that weren't even up on the website. A bit of a hassle, but the price and quality are right, and Erich could be a professional packer!

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i am completely fine with waiting for the 1299 to be back in stock be it a week or 3 months or even longer. I just want to make sure i make the correct choice as these will most likely be the final speakers for the theater for the next 20-30 years. only thing i plan to do after they are built is repairs when needed. i of course will add speakers like atmos in the future but if these are as good as i read on this forum then i cant see ever needing an upgrade unless i buy a football field sized theater even then I hear these just get insanely loud while still delivering clear sound.
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I'm in a similar situation/use case to yours and just purchased a 1099 center kit the other night (cutting/building my own boxes) after drooling over them for the last 3-4 years. Won't lie... If the 1299's had been in stock, It would have been a hard decision, for sure. As is, I'll probably order the left and right kit shortly, too finish out my front stage. Hate to say goodbye to my Infinity Beta 50's, but these should be an awesome step up!

Assembled crossover's are nice, but don't be too afraid to just get the crossover board and solder them yourself. A cheap 15-30 watt iron and a roll of solder will do the job pretty easily even if you've never soldered before. Watch a couple youtube videos and you shouldn't have any problems. Note, I haven't put together these crossovers myself, yet, but based on the printed on diagrams it looks to be about a step above a lego kit in terms of assembly!

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i am completely fine with waiting for the 1299 to be back in stock be it a week or 3 months or even longer. I just want to make sure i make the correct choice as these will most likely be the final speakers for the theater for the next 20-30 years. only thing i plan to do after they are built is repairs when needed. i of course will add speakers like atmos in the future but if these are as good as i read on this forum then i cant see ever needing an upgrade unless i buy a football field sized theater even then I hear these just get insanely loud while still delivering clear sound.
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i am completely fine with waiting for the 1299 to be back in stock be it a week or 3 months or even longer. I just want to make sure i make the correct choice as these will most likely be the final speakers for the theater for the next 20-30 years. only thing i plan to do after they are built is repairs when needed. i of course will add speakers like atmos in the future but if these are as good as i read on this forum then i cant see ever needing an upgrade unless i buy a football field sized theater even then I hear these just get insanely loud while still delivering clear sound.

What part of the world are you in? You might want to ask others on this forum if you can hear their 1099's, 1299's, HTM's, Titans in person. The crowd on AVSforum is a great group of people that are very willing to help others. I live near Asheville, NC and have a pair of 1299's (and love them). Whatever DIYSG speakers you choose will be wonderful. My recommendation is to go with the biggest models you can fit/afford.


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What part of the world are you in? You might want to ask others on this forum if you can hear their 1099's, 1299's, HTM's, Titans in person. The crowd on AVSforum is a great group of people that are very willing to help others. I live near Asheville, NC and have a pair of 1299's (and love them). Whatever DIYSG speakers you choose will be wonderful. My recommendation is to go with the biggest models you can fit/afford.


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I'm from a bit outside of Pittsburgh, PA. From what I've seen custom audio has been dying in the area, at least custom car audio as I had to find a car audio shop to do the wiring for the car speakers. Half the places i had known before had closed and even the shops still around have told me that they have a lot fewer people in the last 5 years. There was not even a shop left that i could find that would make a custom subwoofer box anymore. So i had some DIY fun
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Dyter, My previous post wasn't very clear. You might want to ask if there are other AVSforum members that live near you that already own these speakers.


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Titan kits are waiting for some 20/25 watt resistors that Parts Express doesn't carry. I ordered from ERSE, but their site was having problems and the Paypal option didn't work. They sent me an invoice yesterday, so the resistors should be here soon.

1099 stuff is probably here, I just haven't checked stock on the site for about a while because I had the flu late last week and over the weekend. Assembled crossovers for both of those are suppose to arrive here in a few days. Once I know those are on the way, then I'll put them in stock.

1299 will be back in stock in about a week or so, no idea if assembled crossover for those are here or coming. There were some crossover parts on back order from PE.

It's kind of tough keeping both assembled and non assembled crossovers in stock because of the overall cost of needing to order twice as much. The crossovers on those three speakers are kind of expensive. Just 10-15 of those, then 10 assembled ones ends up around $1500 or more......per speaker design. It gets crazy when you start multiplying by how many kits there are.

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Hi, I'm new to the diy speaker world. I am fairly good at many other DIY projects and I assembled not built my cars subwoofer less than a year ago. I found out with my budget that these DIY 1099, 1299, or titan615lx would most likely provide me with the best sound quality i can afford. the other choices being PSA210t or a few others. my question is which of the DIY speakers provide the best movie theater sound. I will be pairing this with a rythmik g25hp so i dont need them to hit down low. 60hz crossover? My use is 80% movies and tv 15%games and 5% music. room is currently about 15x15 and 10 foot tall but i will be moving and in the future hope to have a whole floor of the home with an open floor plan to be a man cave where these speakers will live. right now i am partial to the 1299 after research on this forum. any reason to avoid it. I would need to buy the crossover assembled and would prefer buying a flat pack of the cabinet but if needed i could most likely cut and build one myself. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, especially if you have heard two or all three of these speakers and could let me know the tonal differences.
I responded on my thoughts about the 1099/1299 in your speaker thread if interested.
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Titan kits are waiting for some 20/25 watt resistors that Parts Express doesn't carry. I ordered from ERSE, but their site was having problems and the Paypal option didn't work. They sent me an invoice yesterday, so the resistors should be here soon.

1099 stuff is probably here, I just haven't checked stock on the site for about a while because I had the flu late last week and over the weekend. Assembled crossovers for both of those are suppose to arrive here in a few days. Once I know those are on the way, then I'll put them in stock.

1299 will be back in stock in about a week or so, no idea if assembled crossover for those are here or coming. There were some crossover parts on back order from PE.

It's kind of tough keeping both assembled and non assembled crossovers in stock because of the overall cost of needing to order twice as much. The crossovers on those three speakers are kind of expensive. Just 10-15 of those, then 10 assembled ones ends up around $1500 or more......per speaker design. It gets crazy when you start multiplying by how many kits there are.
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All of the kits you mentioned have gotten great reviews.I don't think you'll be disappointed with 1299's if you go that way.You'll have to build your own boxes.You'll need to decide whether to go sealed or ported.
Do you need a horizontal center?That will narrow your search.

My $.02....If you have room... go with the Titans..When available you can get flatpacks(baltic birch) much lighter than MDF.They go lower than the other options.I guess,with a big enough ported box the 1299's can go about as low.

As mentioned earlier,I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices.
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All of the kits you mentioned have gotten great reviews.I don't think you'll be disappointed with 1299's if you go that way.You'll have to build your own boxes.You'll need to decide whether to go sealed or ported.
Do you need a horizontal center?That will narrow your search.

My $.02....If you have room... go with the Titans..When available you can get flatpacks(baltic birch) much lighter than MDF.They go lower than the other options.I guess,with a big enough ported box the 1299's can go about as low.

As mentioned earlier,I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices.
Not sure if you know but does nobody make a flatpack for the 1299? I saw flatpacks for the other two but you say here that i would have to build my own boxes for the 1299. Any other other benefits for the Titans other than playing lower, since i will pair with a great subwoofer i will end up crossing at 60z or higher.
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Not sure if you know but does nobody make a flatpack for the 1299? I saw flatpacks for the other two but you say here that i would have to build my own boxes for the 1299. Any other other benefits for the Titans other than playing lower, since i will pair with a great subwoofer i will end up crossing at 60z or higher.


The guys from the SE Michigan GTG said, and I am paraphrasing, that the Titans are smoother and have a little more mid-bass than the 1299’s but both are great speakers. Also the 1299 are a little brighter in the highs, which I would imagine might be “better” for being behind an acoustically transparent screen. But both could be easily EQ’d regardless if used behind a AT screen.

Like the others have said, if you have the funds and room you can’t beat the Titans.
For the record I have never heard either one in person. I’m hoping to change that soon enough.


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Also the 1299 are a little brighter in the highs, which I would imagine might be “better” for being behind an acoustically transparent screen. But both could be easily EQ’d regardless if used behind a AT screen.



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That’s another thing about the comparison we did. The 1299s were in front of the screen. And the titans were behind it when we compared.




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Not sure if you know but does nobody make a flatpack for the 1299? I saw flatpacks for the other two but you say here that i would have to build my own boxes for the 1299. Any other other benefits for the Titans other than playing lower, since i will pair with a great subwoofer i will end up crossing at 60z or higher.
I don't believe Erich offered a flatpack for the 1299's.I think I read somewhere it was because of the cost/size to ship it.
If you want the 1299's i think you'll need to build the boxes or find someone locally to build them for you.You'll have to figure out if you want to go sealed or ported or a combination of both.

The baffle is made to be used in a sealed configuration,if you want ported you'll have to extend the baffle. There are a couple recent thread on here doing just that and more.

If you want something you don't have to build your own box for,you might look into 1099's(if you need a horizontal center,or just want a 99 series) or Titans.

I was in a similar situation as you.I wanted a certain kit with a flatpack,horizontal center channel but couldn't decide because of size and other factors.I hemmed and hawed long enough for the kits to disappear.I finally decided what was the maximum size I could fit,luckily found three remaining kits and built my own boxes.It wasn't that hard(despite my hatred for MDF),but much harder than Erichs flatpacks!
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It wasn't that hard(despite my hatred for MDF),but much harder than Erichs flatpacks!
Why the hatred for MDF, if you don't mind me asking? I'm no expert woodworker by any stretch, but the few projects I've used MDF for have been super easy. Anytime I try to build anything out of plywood or supposed furniture grade lumber (whatever good hardwoods I can find at places like Menards, Home depot etc...) I always run into troubles with squareness, warping, cracks, etc... I just finished gluing together the box I cut for my 1099 center and it went together perfect. Completely square, sharp corners, and took no more than 10-15 to sand down all the seams. If I was just going to paint it piano gloss black or something, there are about three minor spots in the corners where I would need a little filler/bondo and a bit more sanding to make it perfect.

Anyway, not criticizing or anything. Just wondering if there was some factor with MDF I wasn't aware of that might come back to bite me later on.

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Why the hatred for MDF, if you don't mind me asking? I'm no expert woodworker by any stretch, but the few projects I've used MDF for have been super easy. Anytime I try to build anything out of plywood or supposed furniture grade lumber (whatever good hardwoods I can find at places like Menards, Home depot etc...) I always run into troubles with squareness, warping, cracks, etc... I just finished gluing together the box I cut for my 1099 center and it went together perfect. Completely square, sharp corners, and took no more than 10-15 to sand down all the seams. If I was just going to paint it piano gloss black or something, there are about three minor spots in the corners where I would need a little filler/bondo and a bit more sanding to make it perfect.

Anyway, not criticizing or anything. Just wondering if there was some factor with MDF I wasn't aware of that might come back to bite me later on.
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Ah! Fair enough! I'm a corn farmer in SD. Between gravel roads, wind storms, and cleaning out grain bins I didn't even hardly notice when I was cutting the other day. Lol I've got a fairly good sized, well ventilated work area, which helps lessen the impact as well.

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Alright since it would help to have a horizontal center channel for the next few years at least i will skip the titan. now for the 1299 since i would need to build a box I just want to make sure i have the needed tools, what all do I need? I have numerous sanding tools, table saw, jigsaw handheld, hand held power saw. Do I need a router? I will need to buy the clamps since they need to be massive and what glue do you advise for only gluing and not nailing. Any recommendation for ported or sealed when using a very powerful subwoofer, what hz would you cross sealed vs ported? I'm aiming for 60hz or 70hz crossover.
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Ah! Fair enough! I'm a corn farmer in SD. Between gravel roads, wind storms, and cleaning out grain bins I didn't even hardly notice when I was cutting the other day. Lol I've got a fairly good sized, well ventilated work area, which helps lessen the impact as well.
BCRSS is spot on! The dust gets everywhere. Make sure you have a good dust mask to wear while you cut/sand it. I'd recommend you do the cutting/sanding/routering outside if you can.


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Alright since it would help to have a horizontal center channel for the next few years at least i will skip the titan. now for the 1299 since i would need to build a box I just want to make sure i have the needed tools, what all do I need? I have numerous sanding tools, table saw, jigsaw handheld, hand held power saw. Do I need a router? I will need to buy the clamps since they need to be massive and what glue do you advise for only gluing and not nailing. Any recommendation for ported or sealed when using a very powerful subwoofer, what hz would you cross sealed vs ported? I'm aiming for 60hz or 70hz crossover.
I think you hit most of the tools you will need to build the box (table saw, circular saw, clamps, sanding tools, etc.). If you go ported and use round ports, you may want a router and a circle jig to cut the holes. Will you be assembling the crossovers yourself? add a soldering iron. Probably need a pair of electrical pliers. How are you going to finish it? If painting, you might already have the tools. If veneering you may need some other tools.

Search the forums for builds and some will have good details on the tools used. I think I mention most (if not all) the tools I used in my 1299 build thread linked below

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Alright since it would help to have a horizontal center channel for the next few years at least i will skip the titan. now for the 1299 since i would need to build a box I just want to make sure i have the needed tools, what all do I need? I have numerous sanding tools, table saw, jigsaw handheld, hand held power saw. Do I need a router? I will need to buy the clamps since they need to be massive and what glue do you advise for only gluing and not nailing. Any recommendation for ported or sealed when using a very powerful subwoofer, what hz would you cross sealed vs ported? I'm aiming for 60hz or 70hz crossover.
Not for nothing, but there is a rarely seen version of the Titan called the Titan 612-DC. It uses 2 8" drivers instead of the 15" and can be arranged horizontally.... but you have to make your own baffle. I've seen it, but wasn't able to hear it.

I know @mtg90 had one working, but again, you'd need to talk to him as some stuff from the stock titan changes (including crossover components)

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i will definitely get the crossovers pre finished as i have done some soldering once, lets just say it does not look the best and one day i may need to open my cars subwoofer to redo the internal wires yeah its that bad or maybe dealing with 4 gauge wire for my first time wasnt a great choice as it just was not at all like the online guide. I think my parents have a router of some sort hidden away that hasn't seen the light of day for 20 years might still work if i need to port it, oddly the DIY site -/+ 3db is better on the 1099 as its 50hz ported while the 1299 is 75hz sealed and 55hz ported (is that correct as the larger drivers should go lower). I'll make sure to wear a half face piece respirator when working on the MDF.
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Not for nothing, but there is a rarely seen version of the Titan called the Titan 612-DC. It uses 2 8" drivers instead of the 15" and can be arranged horizontally.... but you have to make your own baffle. I've seen it, but wasn't able to hear it.

I know @mtg90 had one working, but again, you'd need to talk to him as some stuff from the stock titan changes (including crossover components)

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Oh WOW, I never knew about that Titan 612, looks to be almost exactly what I want, a smaller footprint 3-way horn, with serious chops, and I have to assume really good sound quality! Might need to message Erich and mtg90
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Oh WOW, I never knew about that Titan 612, looks to be almost exactly what I want, a smaller footprint 3-way horn, with serious chops, and I have to assume really good sound quality! Might need to message Erich and mtg90
That quote was from the Magnum 12 thread on this site. There is also reference to it in one of eng-399's GTG threads (which is where I saw it).

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@EndersShadow Looks like the 612 is actually a 12" driver and not 8". Still a really cool design that I think could be built to look awesome, but unfortunately too big for my space. I need a 'Titan 408DC' lol, 10-12" wide horn section and 10" wide woofer cabinet.
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Why the hatred for MDF, if you don't mind me asking? I'm no expert woodworker by any stretch, but the few projects I've used MDF for have been super easy. Anytime I try to build anything out of plywood or supposed furniture grade lumber (whatever good hardwoods I can find at places like Menards, Home depot etc...) I always run into troubles with squareness, warping, cracks, etc... I just finished gluing together the box I cut for my 1099 center and it went together perfect. Completely square, sharp corners, and took no more than 10-15 to sand down all the seams. If I was just going to paint it piano gloss black or something, there are about three minor spots in the corners where I would need a little filler/bondo and a bit more sanding to make it perfect.

Anyway, not criticizing or anything. Just wondering if there was some factor with MDF I wasn't aware of that might come back to bite me later on.
The dust gets everywhere!I guess hate is probably a little strong.Serious dislike perhaps.
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