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I really want this speaker back. I think i messed up not building ported towers for these. The woofer has lots of excursion and i think it could be used very efficiently in a ported tower. I’d buy at least two more if they came up as available again.
I would probably do the same(if possible).I probably don't have the room though.I could use my sealed 893's as surrounds.
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I really want this speaker back. I think i messed up not building ported towers for these. The woofer has lots of excursion and i think it could be used very efficiently in a ported tower. I’d buy at least two more if they came up as available again.

If you want to redo boxes, I’ve got stuff somewhere where he showed a couple diff size boxes and ports for these....

Just need to dig them out lol...

That said, with your subs, the crossover at what it is helps make it easier to blend to your subs.

I’m slowly coming to where I want my fronts to ONLY go to 70-80hz as I will let my subs take over, both for music and movies.

Let subs go low, focus on speakers that do good above 80hz.

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I built ported 893 towers to go with a sealed 893 center. They rock! I tuned the 2.5 cubic foot boxes to 38 Hz. I put both woofers at the bottom, and the horn at the top. Subs are optional for 2 channel music. I cross the center at 80 or 90 Hz, and the towers at 60. If I were to do it again, I might consider building the towers slightly smaller, and tune a little higher - as long as I have subs running.. Second thought.. Leave it alone! Sounds great as is.

Always wondered why 893s didn't catch on in the beginning..
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I’m hoping these come back so I can eventually be a buyer.

I’ve though over the design quite a bit and I’d likely go with making them towers 39” y’all w a port that can be covered or not so I have both. I’d also build a small sealed hidden compartment I could load with lead shot to keep them from tipping..


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I’m hoping these come back so I can eventually be a buyer.

I’ve though over the design quite a bit and I’d likely go with making them towers 39” y’all w a port that can be covered or not so I have both. I’d also build a small sealed hidden compartment I could load with lead shot to keep them from tipping..


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The lead shot might not be needed. Minimum width is 10.25". It won't be tippy!
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The lead shot might not be needed. Minimum width is 10.25". It won't be tippy!


Yes but I’d prefer it with two toddlers and three dogs.

Plus I tend to do this in excess due to my OCD. It’s why I fit in here lol.


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Oh yes! I feel your pain because I struggle with OCD myself. Be brave....
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The 893 will be returning, but it's going to take a little time. I've ordered the 4" midranges but need to get some pricing from Eminence on the woofers because all of them have gone up a little. The first round of Titan 15" woofers are pretty much sold out and the 1099 woofers happen to be almost gone at the same time, so both needed to be reordered at the same time a couple weeks ago. Those along with the new 12" and 15" neo coaxials that were recently done.....well you get the idea.

The designer and I did talk about changing the 893 compression driver to something from Celestion because at some point the DNA-205 model will be going away. I've got a model that tests very similar but that part of the crossover will have to be tweaked a bit. During that process I'll get flat packs made up. If we could all agree on a ported cabinet size I will look into getting sealed and ported flat packs made up. Baltic birch, regular mdf, or light weight mdf like the 1099? Not sure. I still have plenty of custom shipping boxes from the sealed version, but will have to order custom ones for the ported model.

It might actually be a good idea to look back at the sealed enclosure dimensions because I do recall that things were pretty tight inside the cabinet. Maybe increasing the width .5 - .75" would make things better, I'm not sure.
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If we could all agree on a ported cabinet size I will look into getting sealed and ported flat packs made up. Baltic birch, regular mdf, or light weight mdf like the 1099?.

IIRC @tuxedocivic suggested a 60L and 80L box somewhere for ported options.

I’d guess the width is set, and personally I’d prefer something in the 36-39” height, with similar depth to the flat packs...... but I’m not sure where that gets us enough....

Honestly it’s mainly about where folks want the tune to be and how big a box you need to get that tune decent....

And that’s outside my comfort lol.

I’d don’t think we need it to hit 20hz, but maybe 30-40 would be good, for those that want full range(ish) for music


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Increasing width 1/2” wouldn’t hurt but I know a lot of people go for this one due to width constraints. With sealed the air space is very flexible.
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I can only think of one good reason to make it wider: It would make fitting grills easier. Most of us would want the narrowest cab we can get.


I just had a flash of 'brilliance'! Why not make the baffles in 3 pieces? Each of us could then decide on horizontal center, TMWW, WTMW, etc. - One size fits all.
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Just heard Jk7.2's 893s at the SE MI GTG. Wow. Too big for any of my current situations, but fantastic speakers.
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After listening to both Cinema8, and 893s back to back today, I’m pretty sold on the DIYSG speakers. They were both excellent. Very detailed and smooth with music and HT content. I’l be watching closely to see when they become available. A ported tower would be great for my layout, I really liked the way the ported cab enhanced the low-end on Mike’s Cinema8s
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Apologies for the boost, but count me in for an 893 center! Fits just about right horizontally, and specs look great.
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would be in for 3

I would be interested in a LCR set horizontal center .I would like to see some towers sized like 48 inch tall.

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The shipping companies really hammer you on cost when packages are over 48" long. A 48" tall tower would need a package that was 51" - 52" tall.

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The shipping companies really hammer you on cost when packages are over 48" long. A 48" tall tower would need a package that was 51" - 52" tall.

I’d suggest something around 40” give or take for that reason .

*edit* also maybe a small run of baffles in a TMWW format for the towers only....


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would be in for 3

same here tower design with horizontal center,
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depending on final cost, I'm very interested in towers and a horizontal center.
dog, cat, kids... need to weigh the bottoms to prevent tipping.
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The shipping companies really hammer you on cost when packages are over 48" long. A 48" tall tower would need a package that was 51" - 52" tall.
I would be happy with what ever height you could do the front plate cutouts as long as you could give the cut list for the rest.
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The shipping companies really hammer you on cost when packages are over 48" long. A 48" tall tower would need a package that was 51" - 52" tall.


What height would be needed to have the speakers arranged in TMWW with the center of the compression driver at 36”?

I think that I would be in for 2 towers and a ported center channel. What would you suggest for surrounds? HT8?


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The cabinet would have to be 40" tall for the center of the waveguide to be 36" off the ground. At 10.25" wide and 14" deep they would be around 2.25cuft. I can't recall how much internal volume they needed to be ported.

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The cabinet would have to be 40" tall for the center of the waveguide to be 36" off the ground. At 10.25" wide and 14" deep they would be around 2.25cuft. I can't recall how much internal volume they needed to be ported.
@tuxedocivic had two ported sizes and tunes he recommended. I think one was 60Liters the other 80...

I will look for his posts tomorrow and quote them here.

Likely be our best starting points since he also mentions the port tube sizes and lengths to achieve the tune he suggests.


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I think most of the pertinent info on the 893 is in this development thread that tux started. (5 years ago!)

Looks like page 5 is when the conversation gets started on ported boxes and sizes.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/401-d...nt-thread.html
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I think most of the pertinent info on the 893 is in this development thread that tux started. (5 years ago!)

Looks like page 5 is when the conversation gets started on ported boxes and sizes.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/401-d...nt-thread.html
Yup..... Here is some of the info I found. I pulled it from multiple posts, and even threads. Each section is linked to that particular threads post so you can jump around if you want.

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80L and 35hz tuning would also work.

Going ported is a double edged sword. It's often suggested to stay 1/2 octave above port tuning (minimum) when crossing to subs. Sealed, doesn't matter. You can cross anywhere if your speakers can handle it. Ported usually requires a bigger enclosure too. But the port provides reduced excursion and more output available above tuning. So it's a give and take. In this case, if someone could actually build such a large speaker, they'd have extension to 35hz and someone could use these for music listening if they didn't have subs, or simply didn't want to turn on their racks of amps for 30 minutes of listening. I personally do this often in my setup. Throw in a CD and listen to a few songs, can't be bothered to turn on the subs...

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Blue = 100L and 35hz
Pink = 80L and 35hz
Black = 50L and 40hz
Green = 30L sealed

Those are net volumes. So with bracing and stuff, plan on a box volume around 5 to 10L bigger depending on the extent of bracing.

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90L Ported

Here's some 90L choices for you.


Green is the ported curve. You want a slot port, so 200x65, or the area of that in some other dimension. Length is 26cm for that as noted there.

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I'd shoot for 80L using a single 3" port and cut the port to be 3" long
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If people have the ability, I would definitely make towers and port them.

Here is also some info regarding the tweeter height from a PM he and I had...

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.......As for the tweeter height, horns are more sensitive to height than domes but the requirement to be directly on axis is often over blown. As long as you're within 5 degrees you're fine. Even 10 isn't the end of the world. If you're 10ft back and with 1ft either way you should be OK.
So if we need to we can just spike the tower with adjustable spikes and angle them slightly upwards to ensure the sound hits us right.....

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So in looking at his options here are my votes... I also converted the metric measurements to cubic feet for us US folks

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Blue = 3.53 cubic feet and 35hz
Pink = 2.82 cubic feet and 35hz - 1st Option
Black = 1.76 cubic feet and 40hz - 2nd Option
Green = 1.05 cubic feet and sealed

Those are net volumes. So with bracing and stuff, plan on a box volume around .17 to .35 cubic feet bigger depending on the extent of bracing.

All these options assume we use 3/4 MDF on all sizes and dont account for a double baffle...

1st Option - 2.82 cf and 35hz

2.82 cubic feet (~3 cubic feet total to allow for bracing) and 35hz seems to be a good compromise, and its actually Tux's recommendation in one of the threads.

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I'd shoot for 2.82 cubic feet using a single 3" port and cut the port to be 3" long
Now he said the 3.53 cubic feet and 35hz is the "cat's meow", but I think that just gets to be too large for most, and would drastically increase costs to Erich for the flatpack boxes for the ported towers.

Given it is likely that 40" is the about as tall as we can go on these, I'd suggest a width of 12.25" and a depth of 13". This once you subtract .35 cubic feet works out to 2.824 cubic feet. It is a bit of a adjustment from what the stock baffles were previously. The extra width would allow for folks to install grills easier on these, but I'm not sure if it would also cause some weirdness with reflections of any kind...

2nd Option - 1.76 cf and 40hz

Alternately this is the smallest ported option, providing some better output to a decent range, and in a smaller form factor......

Size wise we have a lot of options, however I'm not sure what the min depth is on the box so I'm throwing out options.

Box 1: Assuming we still want 40" of height we could go with a 11 wide x 11 deep tower and still be above the suggested 1.76 cubic feet, even assuming lots of bracing. Not sure if thats enough extra width for grills
Box 2: 32" height x 12" wide h x 11.25" deep - this would allow for grills and also is about 1.78 cubic feet.



I am not sure how these measurements stack up to whats suggested for the 1299 Ported boxes as I think @Erich H was trying to make a single flatpack that could be used for both (with diff front baffles of course)...... Thinking this size wont work for that and would need to be wider (which would decrease the depth for the 893 to get to 2.82 cf, but still not likely work for the ported 1299)....

**Ninja edit** It appears the SEALED FLATPACK 1299 box as it stands would be 3.54 cubic feet as is, which is the largest option from my above graph...

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I think most of the pertinent info on the 893 is in this development thread that tux started. (5 years ago!)
I can't believe how much time has gone by since the 893 design was done. I would have guessed like 3.5 years. 5 years is crazy.

I really need to slow things down, maybe kill the site ordering for a while and get some of this other stuff done. There's also at least 4 designs completed that I haven't had time to get on the site. Finding time to do all of it is getting pretty tough between emails, packaging, new stuff, etc. I'll decide what to do in a week or so to get this stuff done.
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I can't believe how much time has gone by since the 893 design was done. I would have guessed like 3.5 years. 5 years is crazy.
Oops. It was 4 years. Math is hard.

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I really need to slow things down, maybe kill the site ordering for a while and get some of this other stuff done. There's also at least 4 designs completed that I haven't had time to get on the site. Finding time to do all of it is getting pretty tough between emails, packaging, new stuff, etc. I'll decide what to do in a week or so to get this stuff done.


Take the time to slow things down. I’m sure all of us would rather that, and wait longer to get our kits, then see you get burnt out too bad, and/or see diysg be a thing of the past.
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Take the time to slow things down. I’m sure all of us would rather that, and wait longer to get our kits, then see you get burnt out too bad, and/or see diysg be a thing of the past.
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