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Who wants a 893

Erich H recently said that the minimum order for the 8" woofers are 100, so 50 893s would have to be bought. If you are interested in the 893 please reply so Erich H can see what the demand is and possibly bring it back.
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I might also try to think of some other things that the same 8" woofer could be used for. That would give more reason for another run of them to be made up. There was a thread about a month ago discussing how to get more efficiency from an 893 style speaker. The title was '899' or something like that. The last drawing looked kind of promising but not sure if it should be done or not.
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I might also try to think of some other things that the same 8" woofer could be used for. That would give more reason for another run of them to be made up. There was a thread about a month ago discussing how to get more efficiency from an 893 style speaker. The title was '899' or something like that. The last drawing looked kind of promising but not sure if it should be done or not.
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I'm also curious about the new 3-way that you mentioned.
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I feel like anyone looking for 8" should just look at the Fusion line. You can get bookshelf, center, and towers. The towers are 98.5db sensitivity, so they are pretty close to an unofficial 899. Don't think you are going to find 17 people wanting an 893 LCR setup. There just isn't enough demand on any of these sets of speakers. Erich talks about some lines selling in the single digits per year...or less!
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I feel like anyone looking for 8" should just look at the Fusion line. You can get bookshelf, center, and towers. The towers are 98.5db sensitivity, so they are pretty close to an unofficial 899. Don't think you are going to find 17 people wanting an 893 LCR setup. There just isn't enough demand on any of these sets of speakers. Erich talks about some lines selling in the single digits per year...or less!


I always been interested in a “number of kits sold” feature on the project pages. It would be so interesting to see that. Then we would all know what kits are a smash hit or the ones that might go away.
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There's probably been about 20 people ask for the 893 recently. Once some of the money comes back in from the 15" sub buyout I will talk to the speaker designer and see if he'd like to work on a slightly different, but similar design, or just stick with the original.

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Erich talks about some lines selling in the single digits per year...or less!
The kits that rarely get ordered are usually the big expensive ones like the 1899 and Maximus-12 or ones that don't really fall into any set category, like the Cobalts.

One thing that I never really thought about years ago was that some people are too worried about building because they don't know if replacement parts will be available in the future. I keep lots of replacement parts here, but no one has ever needed any except maybe one or two where kids pushed in dust caps. Heck, I still have a few replacement MFW-15's subs from the buyout in like 2008. But I guess it's still a concern that wasn't really thought about. So I might talk with the speaker designers and see if some of the waveguide kits should have a Celestion compression driver option or something along those lines.
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There's probably been about 20 people ask for the 893 recently. Once some of the money comes back in from the 15" sub buyout I will talk to the speaker designer and see if he'd like to work on a slightly different, but similar design, or just stick with the original.



The kits that rarely get ordered are usually the big expensive ones like the 1899 and Maximus-12 or ones that don't really fall into any set category, like the Cobalts.

One thing that I never really thought about years ago was that some people are too worried about building because they don't know if replacement parts will be available in the future. I keep lots of replacement parts here, but no one has ever needed any except maybe one or two where kids pushed in dust caps. Heck, I still have a few replacement MFW-15's subs from the buyout in like 2008. But I guess it's still a concern that wasn't really thought about. So I might talk with the speaker designers and see if some of the waveguide kits should have a Celestion compression driver option or something along those lines.
The only thing I'd change on the 893 is if you could get higher sensitivity, but from the other thread, that doesn't really seem possible. It's just my opinion though...

I'm interested in the 893 since I think the 1099 would be a bit big for my living room. I'd prefer that over the Fusion 8, but if the 893 doesn't come back, I'd be ready to buy Fusion 8 towers and center, or wait and see what the new 3 way design is. I'm just waiting to see what happens.
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There was a final version drawn up of the 893 that would make it more efficient. But it would need to use the same 1099 mids, and higher efficiency 8" woofers and ported.

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Of course that changes what most of us that want/get the 893's for SIZE! I have a Fusion 8 center and it's a great choice also,but I much prefer the 893 for clarity(Im guessing the mids).

If you can go an extra 2 1/4" wide and 8 1/4' tall why wouldn't you get the 1099's.I know I would have.

My 893 center as it sits on Parts Express feet,is about an inch below my 60" Plasma.When we get a new TV I'm going to have to figure out how to make it work again.

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The final design idea wasn't any taller, just wider. Not sure if anyone is worried about that or not.

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The 893 is intriguing. For my next speaker build I want a "hifi" horn/waveguide, a smaller footprint (based on the standards around here), and full range is preferable, height is a non issue, however width is. Sensitivity isn't the most important thing on my list, an honest 93 dB is far better than most. I love the idea of the titan's and Maximus, but cannot fit them, the 1099's would be pushing the footprint, and the 8" stuff is about ideal to me.

I have the itch to build something and an even bigger itch to try out a horn. I can legitimately see myself pulling the trigger on a sound quality focused horn in the next 6 months or so.
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just look at the Fusion line. You can get bookshelf, center, and towers

If you can post a current link to the Fusion-8 towers, I'd appreciate it- all I'm seeing are the Alchemy and the center.


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Who wants a 893

If the 893’s were to become available again, I’d be in for three—two vertical and one horizontal. The 1099 center is just a bit too tall for me and the 93db sensitivity of the 893’s is plenty.

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There was a final version drawn up of the 893 that would make it more efficient. But it would need to use the same 1099 mids, and higher efficiency 8" woofers and ported.
I was one of the people emailing you about an 893. I would love to go with the newer design you are mentioning here instead (but I would be fine with an 893). My problem is more about vertical height than horizontal. I'm trying to keep the CC height < 12" tall.
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I emailed as well. I would be in for LCR, but not for a year or so.
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Who wants a 893

How would those woofers (dual) perform in a 40” tower tuned to say 42Hz or so? How high are they flat to?

Just brainstorming some ideas

What was the freq range of the 893? Was it “Large” in that it covered the entire 40+ spectrum without exporting the LF content to the subs? Im on the hunt for an 8” or 10” tower (Narrow) for my Surrounds thats full range, efficient, and can handle some power to keep up, and give the 120db peaks needed for Ref


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How would those woofers dual) perform in a tower tuned to say 42Hz or so? Hiw high are they flat to?

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From what I remember they work great in 60L but 80L is perfect “per @tuxedocivic


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I still have a few replacement MFW-15's subs from the buyout in like 2008.
Gee, that would have been nice to know before I replaced mine with the closest Dayton I could find.
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From what I remember they work great in 60L but 80L is perfect “per @tuxedocivic


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Thx. Id like to model that 8” driver in 80L tuned to 42Hz. Do you know if 80L was for dual drivers or single? @tuxedocivic ?


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Thx. Id like to model that 8” driver in 80L tuned to 42Hz. Do you know if 80L was for dual drivers or single? @tuxedocivic ?


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The 80L was for the 893 in a ported tower.


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The 80L was for the 893 in a ported tower.


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That actually works out to a nice size, and would be great with a nice bottom slot port.

How close are we to securing the 893?

If we get there, please make some baffles without the roundover and in a WWMT config, so as to build up a nice 40” tower.


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I might also try to think of some other things that the same 8" woofer could be used for. That would give more reason for another run of them to be made up. There was a thread about a month ago discussing how to get more efficiency from an 893 style speaker. The title was '899' or something like that. The last drawing looked kind of promising but not sure if it should be done or not.
A lot different than the 8s used in the fusion 8 centers it cinema 8s?

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just look at the fusion line. You can get bookshelf, center, and towers

if you can post a current link to the fusion-8 towers, i'd appreciate it- all i'm seeing are the alchemy and the center.


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Has anyone here actually heard the fusion 8 alchemy versus the 893's? I too have been intrigued by the 893's and almost pulled the trigger on them for they were discontinued now that I see in the fusion eights or available again I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on those.
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Ya 80L is dual ported. Can’t remember the exact tuning and port length off the top of my head though. The woofers dig pretty deep.

I was working on another 8” 3 way kind of thing, but everyone wants the 893? I should email Erich and get the scoop &#x1f609;
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Has anyone here actually heard the fusion 8 alchemy versus the 893's? I too have been intrigued by the 893's and almost pulled the trigger on them for they were discontinued now that I see in the fusion eights or available again I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on those.
I have both center speakers and prefer the 893 over the Fusion center.I don't have L/R Fusions so cannot comment on them.
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Ya 80L is dual ported. Can’t remember the exact tuning and port length off the top of my head though. The woofers dig pretty deep.

I was working on another 8” 3 way kind of thing, but everyone wants the 893? I should email Erich and get the scoop &#x1f609;
I can only speak for myself here, but a 8" 3 way floor standing/tower design with a waveguide is what I want to try. I don't think there was anything wrong with the 893, I suppose some wanted more sensitivity but isnt that where the 1099 came in? My personal leaning would to go all out on looking for the best sound quality as something that could be used as a 2 channel speaker.
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I can only speak for myself here, but a 8" 3 way floor standing/tower design with a waveguide is what I want to try. I don't think there was anything wrong with the 893, I suppose some wanted more sensitivity but isnt that where the 1099 came in? My personal leaning would to go all out on looking for the best sound quality as something that could be used as a 2 channel speaker.
Another vote for the 893. Would love to build a pair of these into towers as others have mentioned.
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Ya 80L is dual ported. Can’t remember the exact tuning and port length off the top of my head though. The woofers dig pretty deep.

I was working on another 8” 3 way kind of thing, but everyone wants the 893? I should email Erich and get the scoop 😉


Id be interested in a floor standing 893 tuned into the 40s for full range (or 50). Or, curious about your other ideas....

I was cknsidering using that woofer if it could hold its own flat up to around 1000 Hz (I know nothing about it), and mating it with some of the newer CDs on an 8 or 10” horn. Maybe 3 8s to keep up with the CD. Anyway I dont have the TS values or response curves on that woofer so I can only speculate.

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Does anyone know the dimensions of the 893's? I too would be in for some. LCR horizontal center
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