Originally Posted by SteveCallas
Agreed 100%, and I would never put speakers against a front wall.
You seem to be relying on a bunch of obsolete rules of thumb regarding speaker placement, wall padding, etc. So let's go back to first principles.
The main issues arising when speakers are placed against a wall are bass bloat and some loss of image depth. The bass bloat is a non-issue in any modern system, because it will employ room correction (i.e. EQ in the modal region and below) and multiple subwoofers. Image depth on 2-channel music can be recovered to large extent with Auro upmixing. For movies, image depth is a non factor. I would argue that sound quality generally is not a huge factor for movies, as long as dialogue is intelligible and the system doesn't audibly run out of headroom, because of visual masking stimuli...
Let's look at the "endgame" system of someone who's forgotten more about audio than everyone who's contributed to this thread (myself certainly included) has ever learned, Dr. Floyd Toole.
Note the L/R speakers (inverted Revel Salon2 - tweeter at the bottom) are mounted on the front wall. (There is a center from the same line under the screen.) That puts the left/right mids and tweeters only about 2ft from the front wall. Also, no "treatments," just normal cultured adult human room accouterments (books, art, area rug etc).
You may benefit from putting the Titans against the wall, because those speakers could benefit from additional time-of-flight to sum better, you have room correction, and they have such limited backwards radiation that the very early reflections are not really relevant. That said, you may just prefer aggressive voicing and wider directivity. (And the voicing on those Bostons is very
aggressive; Sound & Vision "FR" measurements are actually "listening window" averages. If the listening window is tilted up, the axial response is generally even more tilted.)
Originally Posted by SteveCallas
If calling my room heavily treated and pretending its an audio black hole for any room interaction allows some of you defending the characteristics im hearing and measuring from the Titans feel better about them, so be it.
To be clear, I have not written anything "defending" the Titans. I actually think speakers of that configuration (including from JBL, QSC, and so on) are inappropriate for home use! A good compression driver on a suitable waveguide can go low enough at small room relevant SPL to mate with a large woofer at a frequency low enough to match the woofer's DI, so IMO the horn loaded midrange just adds needless complexity. IOW, for home use the DIYSG HTM12 (assuming similar level of execution) is a superior choice to the Titan.
My point is simply that padded cells sound and look awful. That applies regardless of the loudspeakers included.
Originally Posted by bear123
If I could have my cake and eat it too, I would have preferred a 10” woofer using the 10” SEOS which would allow a narrower design but deeper and maybe slightly taller. I like the HTM-8 a lot from a looks perspective but at 12.5” wide, I would have loved a 10” driver in it for my living room system.
IMO the SEOS waveguides work best with woofers one frame size down from the nominal waveguide width. That gives you more range to achieve a horizontal DI match, and closer center-to-center distance. The SEOS8 with a good tweeter (can be as inexpensive as the Vifa XT25), the 7" Anarchy midbass, and MiniDSP or Hypex DSP plate amp (or external DSP+amps) makes a helluva good-sounding reasonably compact speaker with real guts. It would be a good platform to experiment with voicing, too.