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HTM-8 L/R and Fusion 8 center build

Well, after careful consideration, I decided to go with a pair of DIYSG HTM-8 speakers for my left and right in my living room. Unless an HTM center is released soon, I will probably end up with the Fusion 8 MTM center channel. Yes, I should have considered going with Fusion 8's for my L/R as well for a matching trio, but there are a few reasons I went with the non perfectly matching HTM-8's.

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Uh-oh, someone pulled the trigger!

Looking forward to following the progress!
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Just placed the order for the Fusion 8 center channel this morning. Now to find a wood shop to cut the cabs. Gawd this thing is 98.5 dB 1W!!!! Only test I could find on my Hsu bookshelves put them just under 86.


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Gawd this thing is 98.5 dB 1W!!!!
Funny story, when I finished wiring up the drivers to the crossover in my Fusion 8 Center a couple weeks ago I disconnected one of my garage speakers that was playing fairly quietly. When I connected it to the Fusion 8 to test it, it actually startled me how loud it was.

I'm familiar with high efficiency speakers - I have 1099s in my basement. I had just never switched straight from small bookshelves to them before without touching the volume.
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Funny story, when I finished wiring up the drivers to the crossover in my Fusion 8 Center a couple weeks ago I disconnected one of my garage speakers that was playing fairly quietly. When I connected it to the Fusion 8 to test it, it actually startled me how loud it was.



I'm familiar with high efficiency speakers - I have 1099s in my basement. I had just never switched straight from small bookshelves to them before without touching the volume.


What do you have the Fusion 8 center paired with. Any impressions so far? Off axis performance?


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Just ordered two rolls of R6.7 Ultratouch denim insulation, 16"x48", free delivery to my local Home Depot, $23. Should be more than enough, but don't want to be a little short. I didn't think the price was terrible. I need to run to a local home improvement or tool store and pickup a bunch of decent clamps. Any suggestions?
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Just ordered two rolls of R6.7 Ultratouch denim insulation, 16"x48", free delivery to my local Home Depot, $23. Should be more than enough, but don't want to be a little short. I didn't think the price was terrible. I need to run to a local home improvement or tool store and pickup a bunch of decent clamps. Any suggestions?
I bought my clamps at harbor freight- they worked great and where only $10 or so each.

You are going to love the dynamics of 98db sensitive speakers!

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Just placed the order for the Fusion 8 center channel this morning. Now to find a wood shop to cut the cabs. Gawd this thing is 98.5 dB 1W!!!! Only test I could find on my Hsu bookshelves put them just under 86.


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You sure Erich didn't have any flat packs? I just got one a couple weeks ago even though it wasn't up on the website. It's actually the same flat pack as the cinema 8 except different baffle.

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I bought my clamps at harbor freight- they worked great and where only $10 or so each.

You are going to love the dynamics of 98db sensitive speakers!
Cool, I'm looking forward to getting them built and hearing them. The L/R are 94 dB, but center does so much of the heavy lifting I think it will make a big difference on movies with a 98+dB center. And I have a Harbor Freight in town.

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You sure Erich didn't have any flat packs? I just got one a couple weeks ago even though it wasn't up on the website. It's actually the same flat pack as the cinema 8 except different baffle.

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Sent him an email, you must have gotten the last one, but I'll ask him again.
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Cool, I'm looking forward to getting them built and hearing them. The L/R are 94 dB, but center does so much of the heavy lifting I think it will make a big difference on movies with a 98+dB center. And I have a Harbor Freight in town.







Sent him an email, you must have gotten the last one, but I'll ask him again.
Yeah, Ii actually got three of the flat packs. I used one for the center and two for the cinema 8 LR. IMO it's probably something Erich should carry because, especially in the case of the center channel, there isn't anything else in that form factor. There are people with screens and there are people with big TVs. If you got a screen, then the form factor isn't so critical. But for those with TVs, I being one among them, there isn't really room for anything bigger than a fusion 8 center (in fact I had to shorten the width by 1 1/8" to get it to fit in to my built-in). The nice thing about the Cinema 8s it's that they have similar efficient as the fusion 8 center.

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But for those with TVs, I being one among them

I like the way you think . . . "I thinkI can, I think I can . ."
and that "form factor" factor
(I just had to do that)

seems to magically just all fit just right . . .
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But for those with TVs, I being one among them



I like the way you think . . . "I thinkI can, I think I can . ."

and that "form factor" factor

(I just had to do that)



seems to magically just all fit just right . . .
Waf, or not to waf... I have a giant built-in as do many folk. If it's started with an empty room a few things could have been different.

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fortunately, the absence of a permanent female resident lends itself to more open interpretations of "domesticated"

I admire your "salesmanship" skills .

rock on . . .

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Thats a great pic! I have a ported 10in sub in my DIY entertainment center and it rattles pretty good. Four 18's like that would rattle that entertainment center into pieces!
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Thats a great pic! I have a ported 10in sub in my DIY entertainment center and it rattles pretty good. Four 18's like that would rattle that entertainment center into pieces!
It's actually pretty solid! I'm more worried about my sheetrock... They used nails... I might have to follow up with some screws!

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Kenny I totally thought it was a photoshopped, I cannot believe that is a real setup.

Those are htm-8 mtm for LR and fusion 8 mtm center correct? How big is your room and how do they sound?
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Kenny I totally thought it was a photoshopped, I cannot believe that is a real setup.

Those are htm-8 mtm for LR and fusion 8 mtm center, correct? How big is your room, how do they sound, how the hell did you get those up there?
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Kenny I totally thought it was a photoshopped, I cannot believe that is a real setup.

Those are htm-8 mtm for LR and fusion 8 mtm center, correct? How big is your room, how do they sound, how the hell did you get those up there?
Yeah, no Photoshop, but probably insane. It's a family room and I saw unoccupied space, and my wife wasn't keen on burning up more floor space, and the engineer in me got loose, and I ran some numbers and found 4 Johnny-sized subs would fit (just a smidgen smaller than a Johnny).

The boxes weigh an estimated 150# ea. We had 6 people and a sheetrock lift and a ladder! They were purpose built by me to fill up all of the volume above the built-in the center boxes are a little different shaped but all have the same volume and port area and length.

I busted my rear to get them done because I'm shipping out to Korea with my new job shortly and I hope to get them hooked up before I leave. I know, it's killing me too, but I've had to prioritize everything I do. I'm also building some MTM and TM overnight sensations to take with me to use in a little 5.0.2 system in Korea.

The fusion 8 MTM ended up getting called the Cinema 8s at some point, but I think it's the same. I was worried that a single 8 would be too much of a stretch, and even dual 8s is probably pushing it, with the (4) 18s, but we'll see how it goes! The built-in is robust, but I may have to secure some stuff in the shelves... Well see.
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Well, since I don't have the kits yet, I can't report progress, but I needed clamps so stopped in to Harbor Freight today. Can't believe the deal I got on clamps, so I stocked up. I got 12 clamps, six 12" and six 24". Should be way more than I need haha. Spent $63 including tax!!!

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Well, since I don't have the kits yet, I can't report progress, but I needed clamps so stopped in to Harbor Freight today. Can't believe the deal I got on clamps, so I stocked up. I got 12 clamps, six 12" and six 24". Should be way more than I need haha. Spent $63 including tax!!!



I also like their little aluminum clamps. They are very light weight and easy to work with.

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Yea looks amazing and I bet it sounds bad ass!

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I think you will be perfectly happy with the Fusion center and the HTM 8's.
I am running my Fusion center with HTM12's and have been perfectly happy and really don't feel I am missing out on anything.

Of course with that said if DIYSG ever releases a HTM 8 based center I will probably jump on it .
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Dern. I think my Inuke6000dsp bit the dust. Need to open it up and see if I can visualize anything wrong. Fans won't come on. Making noises through the subs. The new versions look like they are $550 now!
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HTM-8's arrived today. Fusion 8 center shipped today, should be here Friday.





WOW!!! The tweeters feel heavier than the woofers! These things are a solid chunk of high frequency goodness!! Waveguides have a really nice satin finish so I plan to finish the cab similarly. Not flat, not shiny.

Packaging was outstanding...outer box was in perfect condition and the inner goods were very well protected and cushioned. Would be VERY hard for anything to be damaged in transit.

Tweeters were really the biggest surprise....so heavy for such small boxes. Might have been an illusion of size but I swear they are heavier than the 8" woofers

Should be able to start assembly this weekend but won't happen in a day as the stuffing doesn't come in until next week. And I want to take my time with a good finish quality.
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HTM-8's arrived today. Fusion 8 center shipped today, should be here Friday.
With the flat packs too, nice! Those will go together very quickly.

The weight of the CD was the biggest surprise to me as well (before listening to the completed speakers that is! ). Those neo magnets on the woofers dramatically lower their weight.
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Seems like getting the seams completely covered long term is a challenge. Will enough coats of a really good primer and several coats of paint permanently and completely hide the seams? Or is some type of bondo/spackle/filler product a requirement for completely hidden seams?
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Seems like getting the seams completely covered long term is a challenge. Will enough coats of a really good primer and several coats of paint permanently and completely hide the seams? Or is some type of bondo/spackle/filler product a requirement for completely hidden seams?
With the flat packs the seams should be minimal. Drywall mud/spackle would be more than sufficient to fill those and is easy to use, just make sure you let it dry thoroughly - A couple of days if humid, less if dry. If it's still damp then it will cause the paint to bubble.

Also, you can use the same on the exposed edges. While Baltic Birch is very good to work with, it still does soak up primer/paint along the exposed edges more than the veneered surface will. (Which will likely be covered when filling the seams, but thought I would mention it.)
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I put all my seams to a palm sander with 150 grit, then lightly hit all edges to take the sharpness off them.
Then put 1st coat of paint on, for these 4 HTM-8's I build there were 2 sides that even after sanding I could see a not perfect side.
I just used spackle to fill it, just a smidge, sanded with 320 sponge sand block, and re-painted.
Wood filler would have taken longer to dry but works also.
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Started assembly today. Without a brad nailer, it was very challenging to get the cab glued, aligned, and optimally clamped. Awkward, messy, and a little frustrating as I ended up with a least one area that is not perfectly aligned and will need a little sanding.

I need to figure out a better strategy for getting the next cab glued up.





I won't be able to get the baffles on this weekend as my stuffing has not arrived yet....supposed to come in Monday so hopeful I can make some progress this upcoming week in getting the cabs prepped for paint. Also, have to figure out how to get the cab built for the F8 center.
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You could pre-drill and use some screws to hold alignment while the clue sets up. Filling and sanding some holes isn't too terrible.
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