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post #31 of 51 Old 04-30-2019, 04:58 AM
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Audyssey will sort that out. It's not something I'd be worrying about.


Are you saying Audyssey will make all the speakers sound the same?

Assuming that were true, why not use the less expensive speaker?

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Are you saying Audyssey will make all the speakers sound the same?

Assuming that were true, why not use the less expensive speaker?
To a point regarding frequency and phase response, yes. The whole "timber matching" thing is pretty much nonsense anyhow because of the room. I have "timber matched" front 3 speakers and they don't sound the same if you play pink noise from each because each one interacts with the room different due to different positioning. With Audyssey XT32 engaged they all sound about the same in terms of frequency response with the pink noise. The difference is quite striking.

The second question is more complicated and involves dispersion, SPL capabilities, distortion, and other things that room correction doesn't fix.
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To a point regarding frequency and phase response, yes. The whole "timber matching" thing is pretty much nonsense anyhow because of the room. I have "timber matched" front 3 speakers and they don't sound the same if you play pink noise from each because each one interacts with the room different due to different positioning. With Audyssey XT32 engaged they all sound about the same in terms of frequency response with the pink noise. The difference is quite striking.



The second question is more complicated and involves dispersion, SPL capabilities, distortion, and other things that room correction doesn't fix.


I don’t feel like arguing with you and derailing this thread but I think you’re at least missing the point of his question

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I could do that. I'm starting a pair of HTM-8's this week, I was just wondering if I could save a few bucks in the future with the wides and rears as I don't think sound quality is quite as important with them. That won't be for another year or so though, so maybe I'll just save up and stick to the HTM's.


What are you using for LCR?

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Yo, totaly new on this forum but I am sitting on the fence of getting either a HT 10 or HTM 10.
Anyone heard the HT 10 or both?

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Yo, totaly new on this forum but I am sitting on the fence of getting either a HT 10 or HTM 10.
Anyone heard the HT 10 or both?
Get the HT's and then never come back on this forum! You'll thank me later!
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What are you using for LCR?
Planning on 615LX's for LCR. They (along with the subs) will be the last things I build after the new house is built (simply don't have room for them in the current house). I'm trying to get most of the surround/atmos speakers built beforehand so I can slap them in as they're building the house. The current plan is for HTM/HT-8s for the surround layer, Volt 10's for Atmos/Elevation layer.



This will be a multipurpose room so WAF is a factor--the HT/HTM-8's (or volt-10's) will slide in between 16" on-center studs so they can be built into the walls and only stick out a couple of inches (so they can be covered with a relatively flat speaker grill cloth cover). Unfortunately the HTM-10's look just a little to big to fit. I figure the less obtrusive I make the speakers, the more I can have without displeasing my wife too much.


All surround and Atmos speakers will be full range corrected to a similar in-room response curve. I've found this does help the sound of the Volt-10's when listening severely off-axis (haven't tested the HTMs yet). I'm sure I'll experiment with limiting the correction to the lower frequencies of the LCR if the in-room response ends up close to what I want to see if they sound better without full range correction but in the end it's highly likely they'll be corrected full range to the same curve.
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Planning on 615LX's for LCR. They (along with the subs) will be the last things I build after the new house is built (simply don't have room for them in the current house). I'm trying to get most of the surround/atmos speakers built beforehand so I can slap them in as they're building the house. The current plan is for HTM/HT-8s for the surround layer, Volt 10's for Atmos/Elevation layer.



This will be a multipurpose room so WAF is a factor--the HT/HTM-8's (or volt-10's) will slide in between 16" on-center studs so they can be built into the walls and only stick out a couple of inches (so they can be covered with a relatively flat speaker grill cloth cover). Unfortunately the HTM-10's look just a little to big to fit. I figure the less obtrusive I make the speakers, the more I can have without displeasing my wife too much.


All surround and Atmos speakers will be full range corrected to a similar in-room response curve. I've found this does help the sound of the Volt-10's when listening severely off-axis (haven't tested the HTMs yet). I'm sure I'll experiment with limiting the correction to the lower frequencies of the LCR if the in-room response ends up close to what I want to see if they sound better without full range correction but in the end it's highly likely they'll be corrected full range to the same curve.
I watch a lot of Bluray concerts so I hear you on the surround music quality front. Thats really where the tonal differences will matter if there isnt a decent match with your mains, even after room correction and like you said, you may not EQ the entire frequency range. (I don't). Ugh, personally, if music is going to be a big part of your use, I think I would stick the HTM's. I think they would blend just a bit better with the Titans than the HT's. It isnt a huge difference, but like I said, with music you will probably notice it.

It wouldnt matter for MOST people but if you are into multichannel music, Im betting you're one of the people that it will matter to.

The HT's DO match up with the 1099's very well though. Something to think about...

I dont have experience with wide channels but movies are not mixed for them and AVR's seem to be dropping the ability. Are you sure you want "wide" channels?

Volts for atmos are a great choice

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Yeah, I think if I don't do wides I'll probably regret it in the future. Even if they won't be used much initially. Denon brought them back for the 8500 and the higher level processors can use them. And they will be a bigger PITA as I'll probably need to build custom cabinets and they'll stick into the room more if I angle them toward the listening position. Luckily they'll be in a much lower-traffic area than the rest of the surrounds.


With those and the elevations (I'm going nuts with elevation speakers) I look at it as sort of "future proofing" to install all the speakers I think I might want and get them wired up as the house is built, even if I won't have the processing power to use them all initially. Processors are adding channels and getting cheaper every year, it's really easy (though possibly expensive) to plug in a new processor in the future. Mounting new speakers and wiring them after the room is built is not something I'd enjoy.
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Get the HT's and then never come back on this forum! You'll thank me later!
So you mean they are that good? Have you heard them side by side?

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So you mean they are that good? Have you heard them side by side?
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Yes i've read, was just hoping to squeeze some more impressions out of you
Thanks for the pro tip though.
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I am trying to get them to send me the flat packs to Europe but slightly cost prohibitive.

Don't have tools here besides drills, and everything seems to be around 30% more expensive than the states in Europe.

The HT8 hopefully will fit the FPO requirements
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Can someone direct link me to the page for the HTs? I cannot freaking find them.
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Can someone direct link me to the page for the HTs? I cannot freaking find them.
Hover over the "Home Theater Kits" dropdown tab.

Or, https://www.diysoundgroup.com/home-t...aker-kits.html and expand "Speaker Series" on the left.
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Looking at the On/off axis charts of HTM-12 and HT-12 i see a dip in the 10k-20k region on the HT chart.

Did anyone notice this dip when listening to them?
Did they sound more "laid back" or muffled or whatever you wanna call it? :w

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^that will change when they are moved, toed-in more / less

and /or put in a different room . . .

and so forth

may not be as major a concern as will so many other factors

Given the "best of breed" lineage for almost all products from DIYSG,

my HTM6's in stereo with subs for this piece- seems like being there


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I purchased a pair if svs ultra bookshelves awhile back and now I'm wishing I had known about the diysg lines! Anyone have any experience with the htm-8's versus the ultras?
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I purchased a pair if svs ultra bookshelves awhile back and now I'm wishing I had known about the diysg lines! Anyone have any experience with the htm-8's versus the ultras?


Totally different speakers. HTM-8 is designed for home theater with a focus on directivity, dynamics, and efficiency.

SVS is much less purpose built trying to appeal to a broader audience
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Totally different speakers. HTM-8 is designed for home theater with a focus on directivity, dynamics, and efficiency.

SVS is much less purpose built trying to appeal to a broader audience
I'm assuming the HTM (and HT) lines aren't too shabby at music either, right?
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I'm assuming the HTM (and HT) lines aren't too shabby at music either, right?
They do sound good with music but they also sound different mostly due to the directivity of the waveguide. The HTM/HT also doesn't extend nearly as low as the Ultra but when crossed at 80Hz, that shouldn't make a difference. HTM/HT is designed to be used with subs whereas if you're not in a huge room, and depending on your music tastes and listening habits, you may not feel the need for a sub for music with the Ultra's.
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