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Anyone get anything from the new diysg 'HT' line yet?

Curious what peoples impressions are on these?

I am wanting to pull the trigger on the HT12's, but want to know how they compare to the HTM 12's ... an over-lay graph would be awesome.

Even some pictures would be helpful of any of the HT line.

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@brian6751 is bringing HT-8s to the SE MI GTG this weekend. Haven't read/heard his impressions of them yet, looking forward to the comparisons with the HTMs.
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Awesome - please update us when you hear them!

Mine would be paired with a sub, so not worried about their performance below 80hz really.
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@brian6751 is bringing HT-8s to the SE MI GTG this weekend. Haven't read/heard his impressions of them yet, looking forward to the comparisons with the HTMs.


I haven’t finished them up yet. Hopefully tomorrow and then I’ll throw them into my two channel setup Wednesday to have a listen and get them nice and broken in for the GTG on Saturday.
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Visually you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the HT-8 and the HTM-8 from the outside. You would have to look closely at the compression driver to see any difference there.

For the HT-10 and HT-12 the biggest visual difference in looks from their HTM counterparts would be the woofers. The ones on the those look more like Eminence Beta-10/12 drivers vs. the Deltalites used on the HTM's.

I think I liked the HT-12 the best out of the three, I feel like it ended up sounding far better then it had any right too.

Here is the HT-12 horizontal off axis response 0-90 degrees, it's gated so ignore much of what is shown below ~400hz:
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Visually you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the HT-8 and the HTM-8 from the outside. You would have to look closely at the compression driver to see any difference there.

For the HT-10 and HT-12 the biggest visual difference in looks from their HTM counterparts would be the woofers. The ones on the those look more like Eminence Beta-10/12 drivers vs. the Deltalites used on the HTM's.

I think I liked the HT-12 the best out of the three, I feel like it ended up sounding far better then it had any right too.

Here is the HT-12 horizontal off axis response 0-90 degrees, it's gated so ignore much of what is shown below ~400hz:
What I find amazing is that many a $2k, $5k, or even $10,000+ "audiophile" hifi speaker would love to have on and off axis frequency response anywhere remotely close to that good....which, according to Floyd Toole, are extremely important objective measurements that determine the sound quality of a speaker. Not only this but we are getting much higher sensitivity for greater SPL with less power and lower distortion. It's mind boggling, and I can't figure out why some main stream companies aren't offering products with this kind of capability. Even if substantial cost were added in for finish and markup, these would literally have no competitors in the retail market.
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I don’t have any technical specs to provide, but I was Erich’s first customer of the HT8 and they sound awesome!!! Using them for surround duties. I can’t speak to how they sound compared to HTMs.


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I don’t have any technical specs to provide, but I was Erich’s first customer of the HT8 and they sound awesome!!! Using them for surround duties. I can’t speak to how they sound compared to HTMs.


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I just finished my pair of HT-8’s and I agree. They sound awesome. @mtg90 you have hit an incredible price/performance with these!
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@mtg90 ,
kinda curious

the off axis graph, post 5 > the right stuff

could you post the charts for a HTM8 vs a HT 8,
it's the same horn, different CD of course, xo difference is nominal

folks do seem to be getting excited
personally, I'm interested in the HT6 and HTM6 charts

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Let us know how the demo day goes!
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I'm definitely intrigued by the HT-10... finally something in the range of the old Karma-10. Unfortunately, I've moved away from an AT screen and was never able to sell my B&W P6s like I thought I could. I'll probably just cross my fingers that they're still around if/when I'm in a new house with a room I can build from scratch to accommodate them (at which point I'd probably spring for the HT-12 instead).

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I asked diysoundgroup about the HT-12, and erich said that it would be hard to tell the difference between the HTM-12 and HT-12. He also said the HT-12 has a little better mid base so they would be better for music than the HTM-12. I'm going to build 3x HT-12s for my living room based on his response, and it'll save me around $300.
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I agree that it’s hard to tell the difference between the HT and HTM. It’s very subtle.

The HT’s are THE performance per dollar champs right now. Full stop. End of story. The sound you get for the money is incredible.

Do the HTM’s sound “better”? I think they are slightly more refined than the HT’s but you would have to be listening to each back to back in the same room to notice. It’s that subtle.

For less than the price of the HTM-8 you can get the HT-12. That pretty much ends the discussion IMO.

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I'm still building my room and haven't put my Titans together yet but I just ordered 10 HT10's for surround/Atmos
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I'm still building my room and haven't put my Titans together yet but I just ordered 10 HT10's for surround/Atmos


I like where your heads at.
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I'm still building my room and haven't put my Titans together yet but I just ordered 10 HT10's for surround/Atmos


What’s your plan for mounting the HT10’s for atmos?


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I like where your heads at.
Haha, I originally planned on going volt 10's all the way around and actually ordered 2 volts as well as Erich's last two ported volt 10 kits but after seeing the new HT series I contacted Erich as a sanity check to get his thoughts. He said Matt @mtg90 said the volts are more forgiving but if one was to properly aim the HT's they would be better if the price difference wasn't an issue. So I promptly ordered 6 HT10's for surround, 4 for front and rear heights and will use the 2 volts for the center tops.
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I'm still building my room and haven't put my Titans together yet but I just ordered 10 HT10's for surround/Atmos


What’s your plan for mounting the HT10’s for atmos?
Aaron, since I have plenty of room to work with I'm now planning on doing front/rear heights with the HTs that I should be able to hide behind the screen wall and on the back wall which will be 16 inches deep. I'll use my existing 2 volts for standard ceiling atmos mounting. I'll conceal those and the can lights in the drop slatted ceiling I'll make. May even hide in a star ceiling if I dont get too lazy. Lol
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What I find amazing is that many a $2k, $5k, or even $10,000+ "audiophile" hifi speaker would love to have on and off axis frequency response anywhere remotely close to that good....which, according to Floyd Toole, are extremely important objective measurements that determine the sound quality of a speaker. Not only this but we are getting much higher sensitivity for greater SPL with less power and lower distortion. It's mind boggling, and I can't figure out why some main stream companies aren't offering products with this kind of capability. Even if substantial cost were added in for finish and markup, these would literally have no competitors in the retail market.
If these were mass produced with a cheap veneer finish I could see myself paying $600 for a pair of finished HT-12s. The only thing I see comparable to the HTs and HTMs are classic klipch speakers and they want like $2k a pair.
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I asked diysoundgroup about the HT-12, and erich said that it would be hard to tell the difference between the HTM-12 and HT-12. He also said the HT-12 has a little better mid base so they would be better for music than the HTM-12. I'm going to build 3x HT-12s for my living room based on his response, and it'll save me around $300.

Some people might prefer the HT's because they have a bit more midbass than the HTM's. So possibly better for that persons music if they like more midbass. But you would still need subwoofers with either model.
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Do the HT series have the same rated distance for reference level on AVR power as the HTM series? I was originally going to get HTM-12's as LCR with 4 HTM-8's for surrounds and and volt 10's for Atmos but the HT series has really intrigued me due to the price point and people saying that they are nearly as good as the HTM's.

I had this crazy idea to get 11 HT-12's but the surround speakers will only be 7' from the MLP and Atmos roughly 8' away. So I'm thinking that the HT-8's will be plenty and probably even a bit overkill for surround and Atmos duty with HT-12's as LCR 12'6" away from MLP. So many great options from DIYSG.
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I just finished my ht-8’s and compared them to my htm-12’s and found little difference (amateur ears and htm eq) and was actually impressed on how well they sounded in comparison. They do fall short in fullness but that’s comparing a 8” ht to a 12” htm so that is expected. The off axis and high end frequency seemed relatively similar but in the end the htm-12 seemed better refined. If I were to take anything from this it would be that the ht-8 WAS compareable to the htm and was only falling a little short, very impressive. I then moved them to the rear to replace my ported volt10’s, these were made for surrounds for sure. They blend so much better with my LCR then the volts for sure. I did move the volts to the ceiling without disappointment. Seriously, either line would not disappoint, and this was comparing two opposite ends of the spectrum, again impressive. My $.02
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Anyone weigh a completed HT-8 yet? Wondering how successful one could be mounted on a wall with a french cleat for surround use.
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Do the HT series have the same rated distance for reference level on AVR power as the HTM series? I was originally going to get HTM-12's as LCR with 4 HTM-8's for surrounds and and volt 10's for Atmos but the HT series has really intrigued me due to the price point and people saying that they are nearly as good as the HTM's.

I had this crazy idea to get 11 HT-12's but the surround speakers will only be 7' from the MLP and Atmos roughly 8' away. So I'm thinking that the HT-8's will be plenty and probably even a bit overkill for surround and Atmos duty with HT-12's as LCR 12'6" away from MLP. So many great options from DIYSG.
Yes the are comparable in that regard.
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I'm running the ht-8 for fronts in a small living and they do great. I have volt-8 for the rears and wish I had bought 2 more ht-8 instead.
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I agree that it’s hard to tell the difference between the HT and HTM. It’s very subtle.

The HT’s are THE performance per dollar champs right now. Full stop. End of story. The sound you get for the money is incredible.

Do the HTM’s sound “better”? I think they are slightly more refined than the HT’s but you would have to be listening to each back to back in the same room to notice. It’s that subtle.
So I take it the timbre match is very close between the HTM and HT's? I may end up with a mix in the surround layer--HTM-8 for side surrounds ("best quality sound" for multichannel music) but fill it out (wides and rear) with HT-8's. By the descriptions it sounds like I won't notice a difference between them in that config.
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They are close but I don’t know if I would say they are “timbre matched” and that’s a lot of different speaker transitioning through the sound field your considering.

Why not just stick to the same line with all the surrounds?

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I could do that. I'm starting a pair of HTM-8's this week, I was just wondering if I could save a few bucks in the future with the wides and rears as I don't think sound quality is quite as important with them. That won't be for another year or so though, so maybe I'll just save up and stick to the HTM's.
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Anyone weigh a completed HT-8 yet? Wondering how successful one could be mounted on a wall with a french cleat for surround use.
You mean like this? I’m getting new brackets but as you can see there is no problem with weight.
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They are close but I don’t know if I would say they are “timbre matched” and that’s a lot of different speaker transitioning through the sound field your considering.

Why not just stick to the same line with all the surrounds?
Audyssey will sort that out. It's not something I'd be worrying about.
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