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One seller said they are nearly all-out and wants to downsize the model of product (which I don't want to do)
the other seller gave no response at all
and the latest seller is pressing for Western Union and avoiding PayPal like the plague, say's they are limited to $300 per transaction... but with a MOQ of 10. LOL!

I don't seem to be getting anywhere with these people... like pulling teeth.
I guess they have all the money they could ever desire. LOL!
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The R7 has arrived. I've never owned a detector before so I have a lot of reading to do...


Still no luck on the alibaba front. They want an insane amount for shipping during the lockdown period, I think I will wait it out for now (cause I'm cheap like that ), let their economy sweat.
There are other components I can buy in the meantime (like my first 4K projector etc etc the list is long.)
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One finally accepted PayPal, and so I pulled the trigger against my better judgement.
The alibaba shipment is now paid for, and should be shipping out soon...
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Bought a DC workbench power supply on amazon yesterday, this will come it very handy for a number of things...
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Got a tracking number. Shipped it FedEx air...
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Club of the Hidden Hand.
Club of the bruised face.
Club of the M1nd K0ntrol.
Be careful, all is not what it seems...
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Club of the Hidden Hand.
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Be careful, all is not what it seems...

Please don’t breed.


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Those MIB's that you sent.
They didn't succeed, I'm still fully-operational here. (Nice try though.)
My new set of lawn ornaments look beautiful...
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More junk on the way

10awg is a roughly ~2% loss at 37volts.
5 for parallelism / redundancy / more copper.
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That arrived, everything looks in good condition. Pure copper and should be UVC resistant too...

Still need to buy some 0000awg wire, only need about 2-5ft of it, I'll probably just get that locally from HomeDepot.
One step closer to another project done.

Found a website that lists the needed wiring topology, they described that the way I had it modeled in my diagram from prior posts is to code as far as service panel wiring goes. So it "should" work... i.e. split-phase with automatic dual pole transfer.

(So at-least I wasn't wrong )

Complexity-level 9000... as per my normal. Hopefully it won't melt my gear!

Still no word on the shipment from China. (Hasn't even been picked up yet), starting to think I'm being scammed.
Good thing I used PayPal with buyers protection. Do they really believe PayPal won't give their account a charge back?
Slowest shipping I've ever seen if legit... (freight shipping from CN during CV. UGH!)
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Getting close-er-ish...


Still need:
-the 2nd dedicated service panel
-a combiner box / bus bar
-0000awg cable
-the bank, bank bus bar(s)
-conduit
-shielding

It just never ends does it?
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After 2 weeks it's moving (finally...)


FEWF!
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Not to rain on your parade, but with that small amount of flexi-panels, you certainly don't need any 0000 cable!

For future reference, you are FAR better off to buy raw cable + the proper crimp tool + fittings. Then you can tailor your cables to your needs. For example, when I was building my array, I had intended to run 3 panels in series per string. FM80 charge controller has a limit of 150v input. All looked well, but then I pulled out the equations for my specific panels which include T correction. I realized that where I was building this (mountains of TN) it would easily be cold enough that the max V would rise about 50v! SO ... on the fly I had to recalculate cables, with just short series interconnect between each pair ... and had to order a 3rd FM80. Current was going up by 50% (as I was going to have 50% more strings). Calculating voltage drop across distance is something you can do (duh!) but I cannot fathom how you anticipate being able to produce REMOTELY near the current you have listed!

Another point: if you decide to actually build a real system for use (as opposed to your experimenter's "learning system", and please understand that it is cool that you are giving this a go!) when you move up to a real inverter, transfer switching between generatoir & line power input can be programmed in. I spent a good bit of time simply working through the options for how to run the Outback, as it offers numerous modes. You end up spending more on combiner boxes and DC breakers than you like, but it goes with the territory. I did skip the $1200 add-on that simply houses breakers to/from the battery bank. I simply bought 2 huge and 3 big DC breakers: 3 input from the CCs, and the two huge ones are input to the inverter. Outback actually uses 2 inverters in one case, each taking its own feed. For cabling for that, as well as the runs from the combiners to the CC & from CC to battery bank, I ordered high flex casing welding cable. It is about the best stuff out there, far more durable and flexible. Had to buy some big hydraulic crimper from Ebay. I tried the one from Harbor Freight but it actually was not large enough for the cable.

The problem with all of this is that while it is fun to get a few panels and play with it, you really won't have much real functionality. It is far more of an "all or nothing" project from my way of looking at it. Of course the goal there was total independence in long term gtrid-down, but for $300/yr I keep tied to the grid. Everything that uses much juice runs off solar, and really doesn't even challenge the system much. As you have gone massively overkill in your theater amplification & subs , I did that with my solar. I have 10k panels, 8kW (steady state) inverter, able to handle 12kw for some number of minutes, and 16kw surges. 1800AH X48v nominal BB.

The project helped me keep my sanity for a period of time, 1-2 yrs after the death of my wife. The beauty of such a thing was being totally absorbed, not thinking of anything else. That also included building a 24x28' slanted carport to support the array. Anyway, all that is way too much info, but it is your crazy thread so I know that bringing my own crazy over here is ok

EDIT: to add - on a second look I see you have some cabling with connectors attached but also some loose connectors and the little metal contacts. So you will do custom lengths once you get it all figured out. The connectors are a little annoying to me, a bit of overkill but they do seal well.

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They did it as a commercial shipment. UGH!
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I have 10k panels, 8kW (steady state) inverter, able to handle 12kw for some number of minutes, and 16kw surges. 1800AH X48v nominal BB.
Sounds like you are trying to power your whole house.
I'm only powering my HT rack here, and only the low-power equipment at that:
HTPC, Motu DSP rig, DSP-PC, Projector & TV, Sound Processor, BD player and other misc stuff,
lastly the HT lighting (keep them from blinking when the bass hits )
"Maybe" the space heater and air conditioner if I scale it up 4x...

When it runs out it goes back to grid, automatically.
Should be automatic based on voltage thresholds that I set.
There are only two modes: grid-preferred (active standby) and solar-preferred (green).

I'm not sure what you mean "it ain't real", it should be able to produce a lethal amount of 240v, electrons are electrons. Stick your tongue on the 240v rails and tell me how de-real it is...

That said, this rig wouldn't even be able to power my induction stove, let alone my whole house.
I have a hot tub, pool, stove, dryer, washer, dishwasher, large hot water tank, bubble tub, multiple air conditioners, 3 fridges, multiple microwaves, a furnace, toaster, vacupack sealer, blenders, hair dryer, heat gun, multiple space heaters, lights/TV's/PC's in every room, air compressor, powerwasher, multiple power tools, and a high-powered HT. [and yes I run it all at once because I'm a power hog! ]
You don't want to know what my electrical bill is.

I would have to coat my entire property and all roof's with 400w panels to even attempt to run it all. It's just not practical.

But a partial-rack of 1 room, this "should" be able to handle...
The user manual recommends 0000 cable be used (because it's rated for 250amps continuous, 750amps burst).

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I am home for a couple days here.

I finally got around to doing the fit-test for the crossovers for the atmos heights.


Everything "appears" to fit properly. (12x12x3.5 ultra low-pro)
The depth is like right down to the mm, its that tight. (surface mount)




Now I just have to route them, glue them, screw them, solder them.
If I can find the willpower to do it...
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Two routes done. 70 more to go...
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8 done. 64 more to go...


I will pause here and think more about how to do the electrical.
To make my life easier I think I'll add some terminal blocks, which I'll have to order...
Also some hot glue.

But there is no time for that now, I'm out of time, I have to go back to work soon.
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One step closer...
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I quickly threw some jumpers on the XO components for the mid and tweeter, placed the drivers in the box, and fired it up.
4.5khz and 450hz
Sounds really good, even in this unfinished rough state and off-axis...

FP10k and Sabre Ref DAC for power.
No EQ, no screws, no stuffing (doesn't matter cause both are sealed-back drivers), no dayton fiber woofers connected to it yet so it is missing all of the <450hz stuff.
102db/w/m so it's loud as hell...

Most importantly: the crossovers WORK!
Will take measurements with the CSL UMIK-1 when it's done (months...)
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Seeing this reminds me why I have a CNC. Speaking of which, why don't you get one?

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This is what was inside the package from China.
I tried to get the 55AH cells, but 45AH was all they had. I believe the 55's are (temporarily) discontinued?

These aren't just any ordinary battery.
Each cell does 450amps, and can charge/discharge in just 6 minutes.
They can also withstand freezing cold winters or boiling hot summers without degrading or needing protection.
Maintenance free, spill free, and won't easily catch on fire.
They also have like an 80 year lifespan, assuming one charge/discharge per day.


...Pretty much perfect for my application!

They roughly the size of a large energy-drink can, and about a 1/3rd the weight of lead-acid, and maybe 25% smaller too!
You need 12 for a 24volt system (which is what I'm building for my rack).

Performance is something comparable to this:

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Just charging each cell up to 2.6volts now with my variable bench supply.


12 x 2.6 is 31.2volts.
Inverter high-voltage alarm is 32volts, and max voltage of the charge controller is 34volts.

Low voltage cut-off is 21volts, so that's 1.75volts per cell. Pretty much perfect for a 80-100% DOD, which should be fine for this chemistry.
But I'll probably set it to 2.1volt cutoff at first, just to be safe-r.
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Seeing this reminds me why I have a CNC. Speaking of which, why don't you get one?
All my tools are Ryobi-class. I draw and route everything free-hand, it's not even plungable.

Unfortunately I don't have a woodshop either (and no space to build one).

One of the many reasons I'd like to move.
But what I want and what I can obtain in a post CV-19 world... are two different things.

The listings were pretty sparse prior to.
and now... who knows HOW the cards will unfold.

Also, I just did a 30 grand upgrade to my backyard, and so now I don't really want to move (all things taken into consideration.)

Ignoring elite-class-soundproofing and a woodshop, I have everything else I could ever (practically) desire/want/need.
Not only that, but with every passing month my debt-ratio decreases and net-worth increases.
Moving comes with a level of increased risk.

Also, I couldn't find a place that was as nice as my house, for the price of my house.
The ones that were worthwhile-nicer, were double the price of mine... on the verge of not worth it!
Everyone around these parts thinks their shack is a castle for some strange reason.
Half the places I saw I wouldn't even let my dog stay inside of. I'm walking through their house thinking basically... "OK Boomer" the whole time.
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Unfortunately I don't have a woodshop either (and no space to build one).
What stops you from building a second wooden shelter in your backyard? A small one like 10x10' would accomodate a small CNC, a computer and a basic dust collection system, which is all you need. My setup is quite compact and would fit into that footprint. I have all my tools and the vacuum motor beneath the CNC.


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What stops you from building a second wooden shelter in your backyard? A small one like 10x10'
My HT, pool, hot tub, garden, fruit trees and deck/BBQ take up all the space in the backyard.

I have no real interest in woodworking. It's merely a necessary-evil to me.
The less wood stuff, the more money I can throw at the HT instead.
I don't mind staring at ugly boxes as long as the SQ and SPL is there.
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I'm watching the SpaceX launch, from space, in near real-time.
Daylight launch. Should have a good view of the exhaust. Could be interesting...
T minus 1hr


Green circle: Normal clear sky.
Red circle: Artificial smog!

This is why we can't have nice things. They just never stop!
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Man that's one clean burning engine... I was hoping to see a giant white arc going from ground level to space.
I see nothing of the assent or descent stages, from either view, going in any direction. Bummer...

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Bought these for the atmos heights to wire the dayton woofers all together to the crossover components.


I'll probably need to buy a few spools of thin wire to solder to all the speaker terminals, probably easier than buying over 128 crimp-on's, but even that's arguable... LOL!
Probably close to 200 connections I need to make. Barrels of unfun...
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