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Building the Perfect Beast

I have been looking for one of those GE 30" polystyrene cone subs they sold in the 60's but could not afford, nor the 24" Harltey's from later in the 70's. I finally picked up a couple of 21" Malstroms from Exodus Audio. I then saw the HS 24" SHS monster and purchased one to use behind me for near bass to augment my IB with 32 x 18" doorway. Being like everyone else here when the 32" came out on the market I followed those threads with interest. I looked over some of the available companies and saw that Pierce Audio was coming out with a 33" Home Theater model so I contacted him and we set up an order for a Neodynium motor unit with a 6" voice coil and 20Hrtz FS. Other specs are Qts of 0.59, Vas 47.6 cu ft, Qes 0.66, Qms of 5.3, dual voice coils total of 4.8 ohms combined, BL 28lb, SPL @ 2.83 V of 98 db 12000 watts Pe Xmax 1 inch, Xmech of 5 inchs. I have family in Washington state so I went up to Seattle since I was in the state and picked up the completed unit from Paul. 176 lbs even with the Neo magnet, would have been over 200 lbs! I took a couple of pictures to share with everyone here, hope they will attach.OK. The first coupe are me and the Monster, the next few are my grandkids 6yr and 3 yr olds, last one is the youngest, 9 month old, he is not to sure about being next to this scary big black thing that looks like it could eat him! So I will get my computer son to move over the thumb nails from Paul's e-mails of the building of the driver at his shop. I would appreciate any input on possible alignments if you guys have some inputs I was considering a 5 sided sealed box of about 60" wide and 24" deep, should be about 22 cu feat sealed volume, .7 QTS. I even thought about using 5 of the 18" PR's from Parts express on the back of the pentagram box if I made the box 30" deep. Not too sure how to calculate the appropriate volume on these PR designs. Any way, hope I can do this Big Boy justice on my build.
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32 x 18", 2 x 21", and a SHS 24...geezus

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And now a 33" that is a lot of woofage. You are one of the few giving BTH a run for his money. It is crazy when you see a woofer that makes the Hs-24 look reasonable. Congratulations on getting that beast. I look forward to hearing your impressions.
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Wow. I'm definitely interested in seeing where this goes.
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I think the op has surpassed BTH.

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The sub woofer is almost the size of the TV, I really like it! Horn loading will result in a box the size of a car, even ported with this beast will result in 40 or 50cuft for a mid teens tune. PRs should keep the box size more under control. Sealed would be the most practical then pair this thing up Speaker Power SP1-6000

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I'm sorta intrigued about this GE 30" polystyrene subwoofer. Anyone have any information on it?
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I then saw the HS 24" SHS monster and purchased one to use behind me for near bass to augment my IB with 32 x 18" doorway.

Are you saying you have an IB with 32 woofers that are 18”? Or that the doorway measures 32” X 18”?
Edit: never mind. Clicked on your other threads. I see it now. Lots to read today! Thanks!
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Sealed would be the most practical then pair this thing up Speaker Power SP1-6000
Tell me you didn't just say a 33" sub driver...in any alignment...is practical?

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You're about the only person that makes me look sane. Definitely more cone-area and displacement than I have.

I would do IB with that thing, that's about the only "box" that would do it justice.

How will you power it though, a bridged K20?

There is absolutely no way any of your walls are still in one piece with that much displacement, I'd bet money that your doors jump right off their hinges every time the ULF hits (unless they're heavily-modified).
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You're about the only person that makes me look sane. Definitely more cone-area and displacement than I have.

I would do IB with that thing, that's about the only "box" that would do it justice.

How will you power it though, a bridged K20?

There is absolutely no way any of your walls are still in one piece with that much displacement, I'd bet money that your doors jump right off their hinges every time the ULF hits (unless they're heavily-modified).
This will take me some time to complete, I spent all day in my basement painting wall trim, trying to do repairs from Nov 4th when my water heater outlet hose blew off its fitting and pumped hot water into my basement for 45 minutes. My mistake was having a remediation crew come out to do cleanup. They tore out my heartwood pine wainscotting that was from the 50's and could not be replaced. I have done a different style wainscotting with smooth paneling and raised borders, I am really close to getting this room back together than I can start on the building project for this Beast. Oh, and also when I was at Pierce Audio I noticed that Paul has a cone for a P.A. type 33" speaker that would be a supreme Mid Bass Monster, you could contact him about that application. I also have contacted my utility company about getting my house upgraded from its original 100 amp supply upgraded to modern 200 amp supply. Should not be too hard, my AC comes from a outdoor pole about 50 feet from my home. I am leaning towards a fp20k amp to run the 24" DVC and the 33" also DVC, 2 Ohms per coil. Still trying to find a somewhat safe way to order one of those amps. I really appreciate all your input and wisdom as I have very rudimentary computer skills so I hope everyone has patience with me on this project.
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When my buddy built both his 32s, we ended up sealed 19cf, 8 ohm coil and one bridged fp14000 per driver. Its a perfect match. If I was you, Id be going straight to Speaker Power since its a 4 ohm load.
Juliens mach 5 32's can soak up the entire fp14000....
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...one bridged fp14000 per driver...
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Hey Jevchance the 30" sub was actually a Electro Voice 30W used in the Patrician 4 way horn system back in the 50's. Was in a corner loaded design like the venerable Klipschorn. Was rated 150 watts with a 4" voice coil and about 7 mm xmax, 4 lb motor structure, 100db sensitivity a 2.83 Volts. For something really wild check out a handbuilt 76" clear plexi subwoofer built by graduate students at Wisconsin-Madison university. I left the website addr at work, sorry, but it comes up under the 30" EV google search. There is also a guy that hand builds a 48" sub with cabinet and power amp custom equilized to the customers room. This super sub is a fun rabbit hole to go down.
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I am leaning towards a fp20k amp to run the 24" DVC and the 33" also DVC, 2 Ohms per coil. Still trying to find a somewhat safe way to order one of those amps.
XBS does paypal, just ask them.
The fp20k on a 200a breaker should be fine, it will be able to power the 24, the 33, and the 2 21's all at once. The 33 will be a bit underpowered with that amp but it does save you huge money consolidating everything down to 1 amplifier, and lots of rack space no doubt.
If you bought 2 you could probably run the 32 18's with the other, it puts out a lot of power at dual 8-ohm bridged or quad 4-ohm.
Less so at higher ohms of course...
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Paul has a cone for a P.A. type 33" speaker that would be a supreme Mid Bass Monster
Too late for a sanity check, I presume.

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Took couple more pictures showing the Beast out of the crate and gr kids for scale. Also see if can attach some build pictures from Paul. K, having my son help with this picture stuff, the pictures after gr kids are of parts and pieces from Pierce Audio challenges during construction. The Neo block had to be machined and then aluminum jigs set up to hold the Neo and bolts and epoxied into place. At one point the mill broke and needed a new vise. Any questions let me know, also the depth is 17 inches just for general info.
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My lower-back hurts just thinking about lifting 176lbs!

I guarantee you that if you drop that beast on your foot, the hospital will have to amputate your leg at ear-level...
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Now I'm thinking that's an innovative way to run your "added mass" Vas calc sweep?
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Now I'm thinking that's an innovative way to run your "added mass" Vas calc sweep?


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Oh wow, I cant wait to see what happens with this!
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Horn loading will result in a box the size of a car, even ported with this beast will result in 40 or 50cuft for a mid teens tune. PRs should keep the box size more under control. Sealed would be the most practical then pair this thing up Speaker Power SP1-6000
Horn would be the size of a house at least, assuming it's a bass horn.

I believe Qe is too high for horn or ported/PR.

Agreed that sealed IB is best for performance.



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Oh, and also when I was at Pierce Audio I noticed that Paul has a cone for a P.A. type 33" speaker that would be a supreme Mid Bass Monster...
I wonder what the breakup freq of a cone that big is.

Seems analogous to saying if a 1" tweeter is good, a 4" tweeter is better.


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At one point the mill broke and needed a new vise.

That's a drill press vise (only needs to withstand vertical force), not a milling vise.

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