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Woofer Recommendations

I'm looking for a well behaved woofer that is smooth to 1500hz or higher, has transient response that can keep up with a Heil AMT, and has high efficiency that might pair well with the Heil. Am I right that now (if you're willing to spend the $$) there are a lot of newer woofers that should be able to fill the mid range hole that plagued older Heil two way designs ? Suggestions/what you try? Thanks in advance.
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SO . .
this your idea for an obviously needed upgrade for an existing full(?) range unit , 2 way,

have any:
REW response sweeps to show what and how much is missing?

budget?

EE degree?

speaker designing ex[experience?

it depends . . .

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8", 10", 12", or 15"?

Obviously you have other considerations, such as bass response, to compromise on.
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SO . .
this your idea for an obviously needed upgrade for an existing full(?) range unit , 2 way,

have any:
REW response sweeps to show what and how much is missing?

budget?

EE degree?

speaker designing ex[experience?

it depends . . .
My "idea for an obviously needed upgrade..."? lol

Actually, not at all. It's more a long love relationship with ESS, especially the Heil and the desire to build a speaker that performs better than the ESS offerings. I can't tell you how much is missing, but I can tell you that I'm certainly not the first to agree that the Heil is "weakest" below 1200hz and many will say below 2000hz. Point is why use it from 800 hz up when there are woofers that can do a better job?

I'd like to keep the build under $7k for LCR with simple flat black cabinets. The emphasis/goal is on finding the right woofer/cab/crossover design for the Heil that "floats my boat" and then build a 2nd and possibly third set with higher end cabinets.

I have no speaker design experience...I know what I like and am gathering ideas, information and formulating a plan for a commissioned build.

So I guess I don't understand the point of your questions and response. "it depends"....really? I thought my questions were were pretty succinct. Any answers or input would be appreciated

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8", 10", 12", or 15"?

Obviously you have other considerations, such as bass response, to compromise on.
Yea and I'd appreciate your thoughts. The ability to recreate fast accurate realistic drums and cymbals is what I'm aiming for. I'm thinking my better options might be a 12 or 10 inch but there are a couple of (I"ll use the word "acknowledged") two way Heil designs using the Visiton AL200 or a Satori 9.5 inch. but I'm thinking I want an overall design with higher efficiency than the sub 90db either of those designs offer.
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I figure with the new lower priced of the Heil's these will see a lot more builds. Really it all depends how low you decide to go and if you are trying to go active or passive, if you have no experience with building a passive I'd suggest going active.


You said that woofers will do better than the Heil at lower frequency, but what is "better" in your own words? The Heil is a di-pole driver, the sole purpose of buying the bigger one is to cross it lower and achieve the di-pole effect at a lower frequency. If you want to cross higher I'd suggest buying the smaller ones so your C-to-C is easier to achieve.


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I'm looking for a well behaved woofer that is smooth to 1500hz or higher, has transient response that can keep up with a Heil AMT, and has high efficiency that might pair well with the Heil. Am I right that now (if you're willing to spend the $$) there are a lot of newer woofers that should be able to fill the mid range hole that plagued older Heil two way designs ? Suggestions/what you try? Thanks in advance.
Typically for high spl, PA like woofers you aren't getting much extension down low if you cross over that high. You can purchase hi-fi drivers from the likes of Scanspeak and Monacor, but those have lower sensitivity and you'd have to level match the Heil to them. Probably your best rout.


You could probably get 2 Satori 6" cones to work well at 1500hz and ported pretty low.
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1 How much money are you going to spend?
2 What are the exact dimensions of the box going to be?
3 Who is going to design the crossover?
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If you want a smooth, high-sensitivity mid AND also need a predictable output or a hyper-small/compact design, I would recommend the Beyma Carbon Fiber 10 or 6.5 Neo's
https://www.beyma.com/en/products/c/...mcf400nd-8-oh/

I have the 6.5's they are solid from ~300hz to ~6khz without nasty resonances.
https://www.beyma.com/en/products/c/...mcf200nd-8-oh/



But if you have the space for it, probably just stick with that AE woofer instead...

Fostex is another brand you might want to look into as an alternative to the other "comparable HiFi woofers".
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/fostex/
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