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What do you mean if I'm not able to sync? Sync to what? Please be specific.
Dude, maybe you need to read the manual.

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My amp is the NX6000(no d).
A and B port. both to a different speaker.
Then A and B to output 1 and 2 to the minidsp.
What do you mean if I'm not able to sync? Sync to what? Please be specific.

Maybe this makes sense the way I understand it when you sync the the mini to the subs it checks to make sure you have everything connection wise set up right. If it does not go to sync there is a problem in your case you have the green arrow and it says connected which is fine your getting some sound but very little please check the 2 switches on the back of the amp if you have the crossover set wrong that would explain a lot but there is only one way to find out. I have the nu6000 ( older model only difference yours is black and looks better mine is silver ) the mode switch on mine is set to mono the crossover switch is set to LF ( if this is set wrong example being HF that would explain why your only hear very little.

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Dude, maybe you need to read the manual.

Not poking fun at anyone but I cannot begin to say how many times I have gotten something and threw away or not bothered to read the manual. Yes I do agree when all else fails read.

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My amp is the NX6000(no d).
A and B port. both to a different speaker.
Then A and B to output 1 and 2 to the minidsp.
What do you mean if I'm not able to sync? Sync to what? Please be specific.

First of all, please stop calling your subs "speakers". Call them subs.

If it doesn't synch, it's prolly the USB cable. Oh, and READ THE MANUAL. I'm not kidding, the Mini can do many things and it's best that you know what you're doing in there.

To get you started: At the upper-right of the window, the word "Connect" appears beneath an icon of two arrows that are bent to form a circle. Click that and a prompt should appear on the screen. The prompt will offer you four options. You should select "Synchronize Config." All the things you've done in the plugin will then be applied to the Mini. You are now in Live Mode and everything you do in the plugin will also change the Mini in real time.

You should make it a habit to rename and save the config to file before you close the plugin. When you rename, pick something unique, like date or something you can recognize. I like to number them, with the word "CURRENT" in the name of the config that's currently loaded in the Mini.

Be aware, you cannot see what is in the Mini, you can only assume what you see in the plugin is what is in the Mini. As soon as you synch, the plugin overwrites what's in the Mini. So, to avoid getting lost, be diligent in your file naming. You might even create a text doc that details what each file contains.

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First of all, please stop calling your subs "speakers". Call them subs.

If it doesn't synch, it's prolly the USB cable. Oh, and READ THE MANUAL. I'm not kidding, the Mini can do many things and it's best that you know what you're doing in there.

To get you started: At the upper-right of the window, the word "Connect" appears beneath an icon of two arrows that are bent to form a circle. Click that and a prompt should appear on the screen. The prompt will offer you four options. You should select "Synchronize Config." All the things you've done in the plugin will then be applied to the Mini. You are now in Live Mode and everything you do in the plugin will also change the Mini in real time.

You should make it a habit to rename and save the config to file before you close the plugin. When you rename, pick something unique, like date or something you can recognize. I like to number them, with the word "CURRENT" in the name of the config that's currently loaded in the Mini.

Be aware, you cannot see what is in the Mini, you can only assume what you see in the plugin is what is in the Mini. As soon as you synch, the plugin overwrites what's in the Mini. So, to avoid getting lost, be diligent in your file naming. You might even create a text doc that details what each file contains.
Not trying to correct you but the OP posted some images and it says its connected check post # 23. Otherwise I agree read the manual my guess he has xover switch wrong on the amp based on his comments some sound but not very loud.

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Not trying to correct you but the OP posted some images and it says its connected check post # 23. Otherwise I agree read the manual my guess he has xover switch wrong on the amp based on his comments some sound but not very loud.
Thanks for that.
I still believe he should check the plugin's I/O for signal level.
That would tell him if the problem lies upstream or downstream from the Mini.

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Along with reading the owners manual
I suggested he check the switches on the back of the amp and or connect amt to avr and bypass mini that would eliminate amp and subs if he gets sound if he doesn't its either connections from how the subs were wired or settings on back of amp my guess xover set wrong. I know I made lots of mistakes but I would only ask if I could not find any answers to my problem there were also times the problem was so frustrating it took hours to figure it out only to discover it was an easy fix

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On the back of the amp by the inputs there are 2 switches 1 is for stereo / mono the other is for the crossover how are those set?
Mono and LF.


I've tried Stereo and HF and now I'm not getting any sound. However on the minidsp shows the sound bars moving I just am not hearing anything now even from the test tone or speaker set up options from my receiver.

I also have read the manual(s) and watched several you tube videos about trying to get this to work and unfortunately I am unable to solve the issue on my own. Thus the reason I am a burden to you kind folks at the AVSforum.
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Along with reading the owners manual
I suggested he check the switches on the back of the amp and or connect amt to avr and bypass mini that would eliminate amp and subs if he gets sound if he doesn't its either connections from how the subs were wired or settings on back of amp my guess xover set wrong. I know I made lots of mistakes but I would only ask if I could not find any answers to my problem there were also times the problem was so frustrating it took hours to figure it out only to discover it was an easy fix
What cord do I need?

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This is the cable it will allow you to by pass the mini and you can connect directly to your avr. If you get no sound then there is a problem with either the amp or the connection between amp and subs or the sub wiring or even the subs themselves if it sounds fine then there is something wrong with the mini. If its the mini I would ask questions on the minidsp thread or go to mini website login and ask questions there.


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As Cichlid109 has already suggested, have you bypassed the mini? Meaning, AVR--->Amp--->Subwoofers to see if you get normal operation from the subs.

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As Cichlid109 has already suggested, have you bypassed the mini? Meaning, AVR--->Amp--->Subwoofers to see if you get normal operation from the subs.

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This is the cable it will allow you to by pass the mini and you can connect directly to your avr. If you get no sound then there is a problem with either the amp or the connection between amp and subs or the sub wiring or even the subs themselves if it sounds fine then there is something wrong with the mini. If its the mini I would ask questions on the minidsp thread or go to mini website login and ask questions there.


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This is the cable it will allow you to by pass the mini and you can connect directly to your avr. If you get no sound then there is a problem with either the amp or the connection between amp and subs or the sub wiring or even the subs themselves if it sounds fine then there is something wrong with the mini. If its the mini I would ask questions on the minidsp thread or go to mini website login and ask questions there.


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I plugged it up as you suggested. I had to turn my amp up almost to 100%(the power knob on the front) to hear anything and it was still very quite.
I did this with both of my subs and different cables.

I'm now leaning to it being the amp messed up instead of the cables because both cables provide the same result on different subs. Does that sound right?

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I wouldn't yet! You need a cheap multimeter to check wiring of subs, set meter to check resistance disconnect cable from back of amp take plug apart unscrews use meter to check resistance between +1 and -1 for each cable if that is okay and it reads 4 ohms you eliminated the subs and wiring then I would say its possible the amp is bad. It is likely the amp is bad but you just want to make sure by checking what I suggested.


Another idea disconnect the subs from the amp with the amp still connected like everything was okay turn the front panel knobs of the amp clock wise yo should see orange lights as you turn the knob if you dont well another indication the amp not working

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Or maybe the AVR isnt giving enough juice from preouts to power up that PA -amp.. i mean PA vs home audio amps.. theres +4dB vs -10dB signal differences to deal with..
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Another suggestion you need to read up on setting gain for amps. The knobs on the front of the amp are not power knobs they attenuate the signal ( works like a dimmer used for lights ). If you were to turn those all the way up very good chance bad things would happen so really once you get this issue resolved read this:


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Or maybe the AVR isnt giving enough juice from preouts to power up that PA -amp.. i mean PA vs home audio amps.. theres +4dB vs -10dB signal differences to deal with..
He has a Denon avr 4400 he is fine.

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Or maybe the AVR isnt giving enough juice from preouts to power up that PA -amp.. i mean PA vs home audio amps.. theres +4dB vs -10dB signal differences to deal with..
He has a Denon avr 4400 he is fine.
model doesnt matter if db levels are too low
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OP. Cichlid109 is giving you some darn good suggestions. It sounds as if you're not sending enough of signal gain to the amp. Also your amp output gain my need to be increased. The output gain for your amp is adjusted within the dsp software. What are your subwoofer trims set at? After running Audyssey, I always have to turn my sub trim up in order to get the output I want.

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OP. Cichlid109 is giving you some darn good suggestions. It sounds as if you're not sending enough of signal gain to the amp. Also your amp output gain my need to be increased. The output gain for your amp is adjusted within the dsp software. What are your subwoofer trims set at? After running Audyssey, I always have to turn my sub trim up in order to get the output I want.
Based on what he wrote ( even though did not use proper term ) he turn the " power knobs up 100% and very little if anything. Reading what johnson wrote makes sense if the sub trim on the avr is turned down way too low ( on my Denon it goes from +12 to -12 ) as in -12 the amount of sound he will get would be minimal. You also need to check mini output as well, I have the input and outputs on mine set to 0db. Gee I come up with decent ideas and then OOPS !!! forgot one. Thanks!!

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Based on what he wrote ( even though did not use proper term ) he turn the " power knobs up 100% and very little if anything. Reading what johnson wrote makes sense if the sub trim on the avr is turned down way too low ( on my Denon it goes from +12 to -12 ) as in -12 the amount of sound he will get would be minimal. You also need to check mini output as well, I have the input and outputs on mine set to 0db. Gee I come up with decent ideas and then OOPS !!! forgot one. Thanks!!

Frankly, the Mini is the one thing in the path that offers signal meters and TIV13 never bothered to note what sort of peak levels they showed.

TIV13 should disconnect the speakers, turn off the NX, set the AVR sub trim and Master Volume to 0 and play some bass music.
Then look at the Mini's output meters (sliders should be set to 0dB and make sure they aren't muted). If they're peaking between -10dB and 0dB, then there's plenty of signal and the problem lies downstream from the Mini.

Also, TIV13 should set the NX's Crossover switch to the middle for FULLRANGE and the Mode switch to MONO. He's been mucking about with them and I cannot remember how they are now set. But, if the XO switch is on HF, that could be the spanner in the works.

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I wouldn't yet! You need a cheap multimeter to check wiring of subs, set meter to check resistance disconnect cable from back of amp take plug apart unscrews use meter to check resistance between +1 and -1 for each cable if that is okay and it reads 4 ohms you eliminated the subs and wiring then I would say its possible the amp is bad. It is likely the amp is bad but you just want to make sure by checking what I suggested.


Another idea disconnect the subs from the amp with the amp still connected like everything was okay turn the front panel knobs of the amp clock wise yo should see orange lights as you turn the knob if you dont well another indication the amp not working
I will do that thank you.

My x32 set my sub to -8 db. I adjusted it up and down to the end of both spectrum during the test tone test and got no change. I had to turn the volume up high on my avr to hear anything.

They were no where near as loud as my other speakers.

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TIV13 should disconnect the speakers, turn off the NX, set the AVR sub trim and Master Volume to 0 and play some bass music.

Then look at the Mini's output meters (sliders should be set to 0dB and make sure they aren't muted). If they're peaking between -10dB and 0dB, then there's plenty of signal and the problem lies downstream from the Mini.



Also, TIV13 should set the NX's Crossover switch to the middle for FULLRANGE and the Mode switch to MONO. He's been mucking about with them and I cannot remember how they are now set. But, if the XO switch is on HF, that could be the spanner in the works.
I played some bass heavy anime and although there was no sound my output channels were going from -98 (default ) to a peak of around -50. I'm pretty sure the negative value is correct. If it is not forgive me as I am at work.

I will try your suggestions when I get home. I appreciate your assistance.

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Frankly, the Mini is the one thing in the path that offers signal meters and TIV13 never bothered to note what sort of peak levels they showed.

TIV13 should disconnect the speakers, turn off the NX, set the AVR sub trim and Master Volume to 0 and play some bass music.
Then look at the Mini's output meters (sliders should be set to 0dB and make sure they aren't muted). If they're peaking between -10dB and 0dB, then there's plenty of signal and the problem lies downstream from the Mini.

Also, TIV13 should set the NX's Crossover switch to the middle for FULLRANGE and the Mode switch to MONO. He's been mucking about with them and I cannot remember how they are now set. But, if the XO switch is on HF, that could be the spanner in the works.

Op already tried check post 38. I have the nu6000 and I use LF and mono which I suggested he tried all nothing. I also read he is getting signal lights, from what I gathered the mini seems fine. My other thought which he tried bypass the mini hook amp up to AVR still nothing. Based on those results the mini was eliminated his settings on the AVR seem okay only thing left is the amp and subs.

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Wanted to add that the amp has no lights on it when anything is playing.

During my first test tone test I'd only get green on the signal light if thr knob was at 75%

Any other time no other lights other than power. Donno if that matters.

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A good clue!!! Read the PM I sent. Now I am leaning towards the amp being bad!!

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It very well may be the amp causing the problem, but it is strange that the subwoofers have output via the test tone but not via music and movie content. A signal is a signal in regards to the amp. I would check the voltage (with a multimeter) of the sub out of the denon.

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Its possible some rcvrs just do not put out enough voltage agreed but I have had a few Denons never had an issue with not enough voltage. Also tried looking for info regarding this based on what I found most modern AVRS have no issues it is possible but unlikely, my only thought if the amp is not getting enough voltage maybe there is a setting wrong on the Denon but that makes no sense either if on his setup he has sub enabled? My thoughts on all of this the mini has been eliminated unless the Denon is not providing enough signal voltage ( which I doubt ) which can cause the problem or its the amp. I am out of ideas.

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Not sure where he got the amp from, but if he got it new he should return it and get another. Still, it doesn't add up that he gets sound via the avr test tone, but doesn't get any sound from movie/music content What is the source of the movie/music? Blu ray Player? Is there another amp that can be tested?

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