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Volt10v2 angles flat pack front face angle, mounting height, and offset from display?

Anyone know what the front face angle is? I want to use a set of these for front height and need to figure out how high to mount. I have a 10 foot high ceiling with a 14 foot listening position. Here is a pic from the listening position. Also, where should I mount these in relation to the display?




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I can't answer your question, but I'm liking that table/cabinet
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Wow that's a wall of sound. Not sure 14ft is back enough lol!

Those who passed geometry class here ya go! 14w x 14h x 10 1/4dt x 5db
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Wow that's a wall of sound. Not sure 14ft is back enough lol!



Those who passed geometry class here ya go! 14w x 14h x 10 1/4dt x 5db


Lol ... I get that. I just don’t know what angle the flat pack comes with from DIYSG. I can do the math...trust me I’m an engineer lol.


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@chiptouz ha ha ha got it!

Erich is on here, maybe he will chime in but I believe the flat packs include all of the wood, no binding posts, stuffing, etc.
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I just measured mine. I got 104 degrees on the bottom and 74 degrees on the top. That's about as precise as I can get with my kids plastic protractor. From one fellow engineer to another...probably close enough.
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Lol ... I get that. I just don’t know what angle the flat pack comes with from DIYSG. I can do the math...trust me I’m an engineer lol.
An engineer can't calculate the angle given the flat pack dimensions of 14" x 14" x 10.25" (top) 5.5" (bottom)?
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Lol ... I get that. I just don’️t know what angle the flat pack comes with from DIYSG. I can do the math...trust me I’️m an engineer lol.
An engineer can't calculate the angle given the flat pack dimensions of 14" x 14" x 10.25" (top) 5.5" (bottom)? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG]
This engineer can... But my kids protractor was handy and easier than doing math 😀.

However I did decide to check my measurement with the math. Rounded to the nearest degree that gives 70 for the top angle and 110 degrees for bottom angle. Close to my measured angle.

At any rate use a 20 degree angle for the face of the cabinet in reference to the wall.
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OK, then I will allow products you engineer to be in my home, but I'm still not sure about stuff engineered by @chiptouz .
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An engineer can't calculate the angle given the flat pack dimensions of 14" x 14" x 10.25" (top) 5.5" (bottom)?


Didn’t even think about that, but yes I could!


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OK, then I will allow products you engineer to be in my home, but I'm still not sure about stuff engineered by @chiptouz .


Then I hope you never leave your house...lol.. I design roads, actually I don’t design anymore I manage a team of engineers that do the design. Either way. Good call..feeling kinda a duh moment. Lol


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This engineer can... But my kids protractor was handy and easier than doing math 😀.

However I did decide to check my measurement with the math. Rounded to the nearest degree that gives 70 for the top angle and 110 degrees for bottom angle. Close to my measured angle.

At any rate use a 20 degree angle for the face of the cabinet in reference to the wall.

@jehlinge what are you using your volt10’s for? Do you like the sound? Would they work well for front heights?


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@jehlinge what are you using your volt10’️s for? Do you like the sound? Would they work well for front heights?


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I am using them for side and surround duty. They are paired with 1299s for the main and center as well as 4 18 inch ported subs.

They seem to keep with the mains although I do have the gain turned up a bit on them. I am happy with them and will probably use them as my Atmos heights when the day comes for that equipment.
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Chiptouz - It looks like 70/20 is close enough. Doing a big cheat and using internet triangle calculators it comes to 71.259/18.741.


Doing a rough estimate (assuming 4 ft head height at LP) and subtracting 6 inches for mid-point of Volt for 13.5 feet away, I come up with 8.6 feet to place mid-point of 10 inch Volt on the wall which puts it pretty high up to the 10 foot ceiling. Again used internet triangle calculators and some Geometry that the Mr. Stevens taught us in high school. Of course YMMV. I'm not always right - just ask my wife!
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redesigned volt10v2 with a 26 degree front face.

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since Dave in Green called me out I decided to do some math....

Looks like the best I can do with regards to my listening position is to get a 26 degree angle to the front heights if I have the top 2 inches from the ceiling. I designed the front face to be 26 degrees (yes more math lol) and this is what I settled on. I have sent this off to a cnc place to get an estimate of the costs. If I had a table saw I would consider doing this myself. Adding in a few peeps to get their opinion too. @blister64 @Archaea , @BCRSS
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since Dave in Green called me out I decided to do some math....

Looks like the best I can do with regards to my listening position is to get a 26 degree angle to the front heights if I have the top 2 inches from the ceiling. I designed the front face to be 26 degrees (yes more math lol) and this is what I settled on. I have sent this off to a cnc place to get an estimate of the costs. If I had a table saw I would consider doing this myself. Adding in a few peeps to get their opinion too. @blister64 @Archaea, @BCRSS

I think they look good. Straight edge and power saw will get you the same results. Here are my volt 6's for Atmos. Had to make the baffle also and used a router with power saw for cuts.
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I think they look good. Straight edge and power saw will get you the same results. Here are my volt 6's for Atmos. Had to make the baffle also and used a router with power saw for cuts.

@BCRSS looks great! How did you attach to the ceiling?

For the front heights I am going to use a French cleat system with some small rubber bumpers on the bottom for the wall.

Wish I had a table saw. I would easily do it myself. But who knows? Maybe I will or I’ll drive to @blister64 house. He has all the awesome tools!


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That's how I hung mine. Hangman cleats that were french cleats style from the home improvement store and some bumpers on the bottom. Hangs pretty close to the wall.
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@BCRSS looks great! How did you attach to the ceiling?

For the front heights I am going to use a French cleat system with some small rubber bumpers on the bottom for the wall.

Wish I had a table saw. I would easily do it myself. But who knows? Maybe I will or I’ll drive to @blister64 house. He has all the awesome tools!


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When I mounted on walls I used z plates,. I found these were pretty nice and installed fast.

For my ceiling mounts of the Volt6 I drilled hole through my top and used 1/4x2 1/2 inch lag screw. Screwed directly into ceiling joist. Top of my box I mounted 1/4 inch felt furniture pad Used a rubber washer inside to seal hole I drilled and called it a day.



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but all the heavy geometry has been done
so you have some options wrt getting a good placement / aiming

hangman cleats, great stuff

by using a full motion mount, a #3411 from monoprice, holds about 55 pounds and has an extended reach

that 88 Special weighs 52- no sag issues

i've been able to get FH's out from the wall in the same vertical plane as the LCR,
postioned over the LR for the same stage width
and still adjust angles slightly more wrt MLP

for some bookshelves I add an angled block to the back of the cab and then the hangman.
when I have an angle range to work with . .
I may get better (?) results

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since Dave in Green called me out I decided to do some math....

Looks like the best I can do with regards to my listening position is to get a 26 degree angle to the front heights if I have the top 2 inches from the ceiling. I designed the front face to be 26 degrees (yes more math lol) and this is what I settled on. I have sent this off to a cnc place to get an estimate of the costs. If I had a table saw I would consider doing this myself. Adding in a few peeps to get their opinion too. @blister64 @Archaea , @BCRSS
@Erich H can you confirm that the inner and outer diameters for the volt 10v2's is still 9-1/8" and 10-1/8" as shown on the HiFi Circuit forum? For some reason I am not getting an email to confirm my account.

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Cnc'ing for the cabinets is going to be $200-$250. Seems like money well spent for me. Just need to confirm the info above and I will get the ball rolling. Looks like about 1 week lag before milling.

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You engineers are overthinking this just a bit. The Volt10v2 is very linear the first 10-20 degrees off axis. Just mount it square either horizontal or vertical, whichever minimizes the off axis angle and call it good. Use the money saved on CNC boxes for other / better components that will make a difference in the theater. How about some black velvet for the walls and ceiling near the screen?


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You engineers are overthinking this just a bit. The Volt10v2 is very linear the first 10-20 degrees off axis. Just mount it square either horizontal or vertical, whichever minimizes the off axis angle and call it good. Use the money saved on CNC boxes for other / better components that will make a difference in the theater. How about some black velvet for the walls and ceiling near the screen?


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^^This^^

I was just answering the original posters question. My engineering method for determine the mounting location of my angled volt 10's was as follows:

A) Determine a few suitable locations for mounting
B) had my wife hold them against the wall while I listened to them.

In my case the mounting locations I tried were all well within the previously stated 10 -20 degrees of the speaker at the main listening position. My untrained ears didn't notice a whole lot of difference.

I agree with @mhutchins ... Save the money on CNC and just buy the flat packs.
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I agree with the two above to just go with the flat packs and save your $. They are coaxials and good off axis and mounted up top of front 10ft wall sitting 14 ft back with the angled flat pack will have you just a few degrees off axis.
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Volt10v2 angles flat pack front face angle, mounting height, and offset from display?

Thanks all! Well then F it. I’ll just go with the flat packs when they get back in stock.
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