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Tekton Enzo xl vs 1099 vs titan xl for music

Which do you guys believe would be winner based off what experience you had with them?
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Not sure about the Tekton but the 1099 and Titan are geared for HT but have heard they are also good for music. Some build the 1099/1299 with a bigger enclosure to get some more low end that would be better for music listening.

You came to the right place to ask. Hopefully some others have some more to chime in.
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Will you use them with a sub?

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Will you use them with a sub?
I don’t really want to use a sub but possibly if I really have too
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Not sure about the Tekton but the 1099 and Titan are geared for HT but have heard they are also good for music. Some build the 1099/1299 with a bigger enclosure to get some more low end that would be better for music listening.

You came to the right place to ask. Hopefully some others have some more to chime in.
I owned the 1099 I thought they were pretty good for music but definitely needs subs. I don’t want to build a whole new cabinet cause I don’t have the tools or time. Prefer the kits. It’s says the titans go down to 30hz which isn’t to bad. Hoping some more guys do chime in.
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Depending on the music choice I’d definitely recommend a sub. No matter what speaker you have a sub will really improve the experience with anything under 60hz. I have the titans and for me they have been the best I’ve owned, but I have yet to hear anything over $400 per speaker. But being about $650 for each titan they are easily 4x better so definitely worth the price.
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I owned the 1099 I thought they were pretty good for music but definitely needs subs. I don’t want to build a whole new cabinet cause I don’t have the tools or time. Prefer the kits. It’s says the titans go down to 30hz which isn’t to bad. Hoping some more guys do chime in.
I've not heard the Titans, but here is one forum member's perspective (potentially useful given your specific "for music" question): https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...stics-vr3.html

AFAIK ALL DIYSG HT offerings are designed to be used with sub(s).

Given that, I have found our HTM-10s to be terrific for both HT and music (with subs). These are in our living room with no treatments, so take that with a grain of salt.

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The Titan's bass level is still rather lean compared to more music focused speaker designs. I find my Nexus tower designs to have much more enjoyable full range bass performance with music then the Titan as the Nexus tower was designed to play full range and uses woofers that naturally extend to those low frequencies. The Titan was designed as a high sensitivity high power LCR which could be crossed down to 40hz if needed but still designed to be used with subs.

If you don't want to use subs then you will want EQ to boost and extend the bottom end much like running subs hot.
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The Titan's bass level is still rather lean compared to more music focused speaker designs. I find my Nexus tower designs to have much more enjoyable full range bass performance with music then the Titan as the Nexus tower was designed to play full range and uses woofers that naturally extend to those low frequencies. The Titan was designed as a high sensitivity high power LCR which could be crossed down to 40hz if needed but still designed to be used with subs.

If you don't want to use subs then you will want EQ to boost and extend the bottom end much like running subs hot.
What if I use another mbm15 with it? So each has 2 15”mbm? Can I re work the xover to incorporate the 2nd mbm
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At some point in early 2020 some of the Fusion models will make a comeback as full range speakers.

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Building it with the extra 15" does increase the bass level but at the same time does not give it any more extension. The Titan woofer in the flat pack begins to roll off around 50-55hz so you still don't authoritative bass below that range without EQ or getting lucky with lots of room gain. Depending on the music you like that might be good enough but I'd say a 6dB PEQ filter at 40hz with Q = 1-2 would make things much more satisfying. If you are going to be using mains full range and want good bass you should be using EQ on them at least for room correction at low frequencies much like a subwoofer system.
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At some point in early 2020 some of the Fusion models will make a comeback as full range speakers.
Hmmm.. 2 ways? 15?
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Building it with the extra 15" does increase the bass level but at the same time does not give it any more extension. The Titan woofer in the flat pack begins to roll off around 50-55hz so you still don't authoritative bass below that range without EQ or getting lucky with lots of room gain. Depending on the music you like that might be good enough but I'd say a 6dB PEQ filter at 40hz with Q = 1-2 would make things much more satisfying. If you are going to be using mains full range and want good bass you should be using EQ on them at least for room correction at low frequencies much like a subwoofer system.
Eqing like AUD or Dirac?
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Yes if you have the ability to set a target curve either in Audyssey or Dirac you will be able to contour the bass response and level to your liking. Just don't boost much below 40hz (the tuning frequency of the Titan flatpack) unless you extend the ports.
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Tektons are trash and the design stinks of ineptitude.
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Tektons are trash and the design stinks of ineptitude.
Could you elaborate on your comment? Please understand I don't have a dog in this fight - I'm just curious what design details or features are questionable on the Tektons.

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Could you elaborate on your comment? Please understand I don't have a dog in this fight - I'm just curious what design details or features are questionable on the Tektons.

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The tweeter array is idiotic, the off axis is horrid, The FR is pretty bad, and there are bad resonances to boot. It's just not good. All that, and this is one of their less horrible models.
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Yes if you have the ability to set a target curve either in Audyssey or Dirac you will be able to contour the bass response and level to your liking. Just don't boost much below 40hz (the tuning frequency of the Titan flatpack) unless you extend the ports.
Matt so I’m about to order the titans615lx can I extend the low Fq of the woofer if I tune the box so I can have it dig a little deeper?
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I think you'll find the titans to be a significant step up in the bass department compared to 1099's, especially if the ones you had were the standard design. In my space with corner loaded titans and a seating position against the wall, they pumped out plenty of bass when I demo'd EDM music, to the point that I had to triple check my subs weren't on. If you're worried you can always build the Titan 630LX dual woofer versions: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...uned-25hz.html

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Subs will always provide better sound for music. It makes no sense to insist on no subs if you want good sound quality. Good placement for imaging and soundstage often = poor placement for bass. Cross ANY speaker at 80 Hz to well integrated subs and sound quality will be better


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I think you'll find the titans to be a significant step up in the bass department compared to 1099's, especially if the ones you had were the standard design. In my space with corner loaded titans and a seating position against the wall, they pumped out plenty of bass when I demo'd EDM music, to the point that I had to triple check my subs weren't on. If you're worried you can always build the Titan 630LX dual woofer versions: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...uned-25hz.html
Amen to placement/seating position. I have some tiny Polk Monitor 50 towers that were 'lost' in the movie room with seating near the center of the mostly closed room. But when I put them into a living area spaced off the front wall and the seating position is against a back wall, they really opened up. Also, the new room is completely open to the house with much reflection.

To the OP, certainly heed the advice given here!! If you're after music without subs, you really should consider the other offerings DIYSG has on offer as well, Cobalts, Apollos, etc.
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Matt so I’m about to order the titans615lx can I extend the low Fq of the woofer if I tune the box so I can have it dig a little deeper?
You can tune the box lower (around 32hz) if you purchase the 4" precision port extension tube cut it in half and attach it with a pair of extra couplings. That said you won't really gain additional extension, if fact the f3 point moves up a couple hz, f6 stay about the same and f10 drops a few hz. What it does allow is more boost/EQ at lower frequencies without getting below port tune.

If you want more natural extension you would have to use a larger enclosure. Something like 8cuft would result in an f3 is the mid 30's rather then an f10 in the mid 30's that the stock cabinet provides.
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You can tune the box lower (around 32hz) if you purchase the 4" precision port extension tube cut it in half and attach it with a pair of extra couplings. That said you won't really gain additional extension, if fact the f3 point moves up a couple hz, f6 stay about the same and f10 drops a few hz. What it does allow is more boost/EQ at lower frequencies without getting below port tune.

If you want more natural extension you would have to use a larger enclosure. Something like 8cuft would result in an f3 is the mid 30's rather then an f10 in the mid 30's that the stock cabinet provides.
Couldn’t I use flat pack from gsg like this
https://shop.gsgad.com/collections/15-inch-marty-sub-flat-packs/products/marty-15

To use instead of the one that comes with to get a lower tuning for music?
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NotNYT,

Thanks for your explanation. By the way, I really enjoyed your comment, "Tektons are trash and the design stinks of ineptitude"! The next time my wife asks my opinion about new drapes/candle holders/rugs/whatever, I'm gonna drop that line. I can't wait!

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Approximate price point?

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Eric...whats up with the Kuda, Sledge and Impact?
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Will you use them with a sub?
Will you use them in a tub?

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I built a pair of speakers with a line array of 4 tweeters and they measured really smooth on axis and sound awesome in room.

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I built a pair of speakers with a line array of 4 tweeters and they measured really smooth on axis and sound awesome in room.
Except for the combing in the direction of the array.... Curved line arrays with increased padding as distance from the center increases are the solution to that problem. Keele's CBT papers highlight this issue.

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