Originally Posted by a77cj7
Yeah, I’m hoping to kill any future upgrades for a long time.
Submax v3’s will be running Eminence NSW 6021’s.
Mini dev’s are running 18ds115’s, and ported boxes are HST18’s.
Sounds like a beastly combo with the Eminence driver. Do let us know how it turns out.
Originally Posted by Audiophile75
I have two picowrecker in my garage, two f20s and two Devs. I would say that horns are not a fad, but they are not for everyone. They are band limited (only play from —-hz to —-hz) really well and nothing outside of that. The phase issues are real, the boxes are big, they do not play very low unless it is in a monster size box, they need plenty of EQ, oh... and they do not always integrate well with others.
The up side is you don’t need hardly any power to achieve high levels of spl and the distortion levels are low, Some say the sonic signature is truly awesome, I am not sure I care about that though because my four move my house when turned up, literally..... and only on 1600 watts!!
I know I make it sound like I hate them but in reality it they fit your application I am not sure there is anything better. You better have a plan for ULF though, mine is a BOSS platform and it fits well.
If I built another theater would I build them again? If I could not do four full range Devs, one in each corner.... then I wouldn’t build them again. But you can not make me get rid of what I have.
Horns subs can be finicky for sure. To boot tapped horns are even more bandwidth limited, why I didn't want to pursue a design with a tuning much below 25Hz (believe my MW's have a ~24Hz tuning) so not to limit the upper range (and sensitivity) too much and be more flexible in regards to integration with the mains. I've always found them to integrate very smoothly though - they blend in extremely well with my all-horn mains (w/folded midbass horn). A Crown K2 seems to be sufficient for amp duties, to say the least.
Horn bass sounds different, and to my ears 'different' equals better compared to direct radiators. They just deliver a smoother, more enveloping and layered bass, I find.
And by god, yes, they're physical monsters. There's no hiding the physics at play here ..
Originally Posted by tential
Horn subs aren't out of fashion, it's that flat packs for them weren't available and other builds have flat packs, so you're going to see more of those. And Horn subs are harder to build.
Now that there's a flatpack, you'll probably see more as it will be more accessible. Although still, that's a 21 inch sub for that, so it's not that it's out of fashion, it's that it's more expensive, harder difficulty, and larger product to fit.
Now that there is an "easy" horn sub to build that is within driving distance of me, that vastly increases the likelihood that I'd get one, where as before, with no flatpack... forget it. There's no possible way I'd ever be able to make one.
I had mine build by a cabinet maker, and CNC-machined 18mm 13 ply isn't cheap..
Originally Posted by johnson636
Have you looked around this place...many have horned subs. And more on the way
Maybe I didn't look closely enough
Well, I'm happy to be wrong if that's the case!
Originally Posted by OJ Bartley
I'd say horns are gaining popularity with the transition to more desire for midbass impact these days. For a long while the trend was chasing high excursion drivers to break into the single digit frequencies, but IMO that has changed quite a bit over the past few years. And some lucky people are able to chase both with multiple extremely capable subs.
Glad you mention this - the importance of midbass impact. For a while it drove me nuts reading about an overwhelming tendency of single-digit brethren and the devoted following this mustered, because I find midbass prowess to potentially aid a better integration with the mains, and ULF-capable subs to me aren't always the last word in midbass excellence. I must admit I'm intrigued by infrasonics, but not at any price. Perhaps a 2-way sub system is the way to go, but I've never tried it (and, admittedly, I'm not too keen to try it out, especially not if it means mixing horns with direct radiators).
The controversial part may be the claim that bass isn't just bass, and that direct radiators sound different compared to horns. To me though it isn't controversial at all; those seeking single digits from DR's like Infinite Baffle will tend to uphold, to their grave even, that it doesn't come at the possible expense of a lack of energy/impact in the upper regions, if nothing else to justify the endeavor as an all-out success in every regard (not least helped by measurements). Moreover pro drivers with higher efficiency and a (relatively) limited excursion to my ears sound more nimble and, dare I say, musical. Oh well, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself..
Originally Posted by zeus33
Looks like deeper bass version of Josh Ricci's Skram/Skhorn.