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HTM-12 Surrounds and atmos?

Newbie here. I’m starting the planning phase of my HT build (sketchup to be posted soon). Originally, I had planned three Klipsch RP-280s for my LCR, then some in-wall pro-series for the surrounds and atmos...something relatively straight forward and easy to match.

The more I looked around, the more I became interested in the DIYSG HT/M-12s. Great price, great sound, efficient.

My question is, I’m not yet sure I’ll be able to fit in the theater room HTM-12s as surrounds or rears in my proposed 7.2.4 setup and, further, I’m not sure what brand or style of atmos speaker I should pair with this (they must be in ceiling).

I’m sure this group and it’s infinite wisdom has some experience here.
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Newbie here. I’m starting the planning phase of my HT build (sketchup to be posted soon). Originally, I had planned three Klipsch RP-280s for my LCR, then some in-wall pro-series for the surrounds and atmos...something relatively straight forward and easy to match.

The more I looked around, the more I became interested in the DIYSG HT/M-12s. Great price, great sound, efficient.

My question is, I’m not yet sure I’ll be able to fit in the theater room HTM-12s as surrounds or rears in my proposed 7.2.4 setup
So, what was the question?

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and, further, I’m not sure what brand or style of atmos speaker I should pair with this (they must be in ceiling).
What type of ceiling do you have? Many have placed DIYSG Volts in their ceilings. The RSL C34E is often recommended if you're looking to go that route.
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I realize it may not work in your room, but I've heard having in-ceiling surround speakers and Atmos don't go well together, though I haven't heard any systems with that configuration in person.

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No, he want's surrounds on the sides and back....atmos in ceiling. I say it would be sweet if you find a way to do it with all HTM 12's

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I'd do HTM-8's for Side and Rear Surrounds then with either Volt 6's or RSL C34E's for Atmos.

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No, he want's surrounds on the sides and back....atmos in ceiling. I say it would be sweet if you find a way to do it with all HTM 12's

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So, what was the question?



What type of ceiling do you have? Many have placed DIYSG Volts in their ceilings. The RSL C34E is often recommended if you're looking to go that route.
Sorry for the confusion all. I’m E-learning with my 9 and 5 year olds today and not doing a great job at multi-tasking. I swear I’m not usually a rambling fool.

The questions:
1) What speakers for side surrounds and rear surrounds to pair with HT/M-12s?
2) What speakers for atmos?

I’m planning AT screen for the front, so less of an issue to hide speakers there. The WAF will be high for the surrounds and atmos. They need to be discrete. I don’t think I have room to add the bulk to the side of the room in pillars, etc, and it’ll be a no go to hang something huge from the ceiling. Pictures to come!

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RSL C34E's for Atmos and Hsu In Wall HIW-1's for side and rear surrounds?

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and CC 88 Special
and SS also 88
that's a lot of 15" SEOS horns
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If you can, go HTM12;s of HT 12 all around

don't cry when your REQ,
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It will still be a fail safe up-grade-itis incoluation

don't be surprised when almost all legacy stereo brings a smile everytime,
using just the L/r and subs for listening . .
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So, what was the question?

What type of ceiling do you have? Many have placed DIYSG Volts in their ceilings. The RSL C34E is often recommended if you're looking to go that route.
Sorry. E-learning has my brain addled.

Questions:
Is there a good in wall choice for side and rear surrounds? Sounds like the 6’s and 8’s could be a great match, but I’m worried I may not have room.

My ceiling will be drywall...likely 2x 5/8 with green glue. I like the look of those RSLs for the atmos.
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RSL C34E's for Atmos and Hsu In Wall HIW-1's for side and rear surrounds?
These looks like great choices. Have folks found success painting these? I’ll have to do a bit more research on each. Originally, I’ve seen Klipsch versions of in walls, which made me think I’d originally go with a 3x RP-280 for LCR, then pro series in walls all the way round and atmos...
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I have JBL in walls and in-ceilings speakers with metal mesh grills like the RSL's and HSU's and I was able to spray them to match the walls and ceilings. I rolled my walls and found some spray paint to match my paint (SW Peppercorn walls and Tricorn Black ceiling) - I wondered how well it would match, but it blends really well.



Personally I don't think it makes much of a difference if your surrounds all all timbre matched in an HT setting.

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Sorry. E-learning has my brain addled.

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Is there a good in wall choice for side and rear surrounds? Sounds like the 6’s and 8’s could be a great match, but I’m worried I may not have room.

My ceiling will be drywall...likely 2x 5/8 with green glue. I like the look of those RSLs for the atmos.
Well, only you can determine if there will be room for the HT/M lines in your space and if you can make them work with the WAF. The Volts are smaller but deeper, IIRC.

I'm not aware of any DIY in-wall speakers, for recommendations on manufactured speakers you would get better results in this subforum.

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Newbie here. I’m starting the planning phase of my HT build (sketchup to be posted soon). Originally, I had planned three Klipsch RP-280s for my LCR, then some in-wall pro-series for the surrounds and atmos...something relatively straight forward and easy to match.

The more I looked around, the more I became interested in the DIYSG HT/M-12s. Great price, great sound, efficient.

My question is, I’m not yet sure I’ll be able to fit in the theater room HTM-12s as surrounds or rears in my proposed 7.2.4 setup and, further, I’m not sure what brand or style of atmos speaker I should pair with this (they must be in ceiling).

I’m sure this group and it’s infinite wisdom has some experience here.
What about recessing Volt-10 atmos module in the wall for surrounds? F3 is listed as 75db, so could crossover at 80hz. Designed to go on ceiling so baffle step compensation should be set up correctly. They are 7" depth, so would stick out 3" on a 2x4 wall, but you could place trim around them or bump out a small 3" column.
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Mike's right that could be an option. On that same line of thought, the HT-8 is 7.5" thick. I'm not sure what the driver depth is on the HT's or the Volts but there is the possibility that you could build them in a box that could fit in between studs by keeping the box volume the same and making them taller or wider to compensate for the loss of depth. It might be looking into the depth of the speaker components. Personally, I think an in-wall option for either would be a nice addition to the line.

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Mike's right that could be an option. On that same line of thought, the HT-8 is 7.5" thick. I'm not sure what the driver depth is on the HT's or the Volts but there is the possibility that you could build them in a box that could fit in between studs by keeping the box volume the same and making them taller or wider to compensate for the loss of depth. It might be looking into the depth of the speaker components. Personally, I think an in-wall option for either would be a nice addition to the line.
Volt-10 Atmos boxes are right at minimum depth already. I suspect the same for the HT-8. The driver in the Volt-10 has a mounting depth of 5.625". Once you subtract 3/4" for the back and the recess, not much left.

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What about recessing Volt-10 atmos module in the wall for surrounds? F3 is listed as 75db, so could crossover at 80hz. Designed to go on ceiling so baffle step compensation should be set up correctly. They are 7" depth, so would stick out 3" on a 2x4 wall, but you could place trim around them or bump out a small 3" column.
Just wanted to say @Jk7.2 did this and I can attest it sounds great. I believe he has Volt 10's in the walls and 6's in the ceiling. Great choice for limited space.
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The HT8's are 7.5 inch deep, so they could be recessed into a wall similar to the Volt 10s above.
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Just wanted to say @Jk7.2 did this and I can attest it sounds great. I believe he has Volt 10's in the walls and 6's in the ceiling. Great choice for limited space.

He really needs to upgrade those tiny little Titan630's he has up front!!!!!!
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Just wanted to say @Jk7.2 did this and I can attest it sounds great. I believe he has Volt 10's in the walls and 6's in the ceiling. Great choice for limited space.

Man, at least share a current pic! With the nsw’s Lol

Oh, and yes, I love my volt 10’s.
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The definition of a full range design seems to 40-ish and beyond

The F4Q4 's pictured above,

played with testing in a variety of Placements, just because, hey it's a first-rate DIYSG and Curt Campbell design . . .

as SS, where the red 88 is now,
tight on wall, XT32 put the xo @40

As L/R , on (improvised) stands to get the horn aimed closer to ear level- XT32b - 40

(it is a sad picture to see the F4 and the F15 side by side, the disparate sizing of the SEOS horns may cause temporary temporal displacement)

and after some temporary speaker reassignment / connections wrt OSD as ATMOS with only FH's xo-60

but add just one sub, set everything to small and POOF!
while there be overlapping roll-offs curves

A while back, an exchange with @mtg90 revealed that a HTM12 modded to be 18" deep, using the same baffle, could be good to 50 hz

and as in all compromises here at AVS-it depends . .

If I had the room, some dual 8" F8's or 893's just might replace my HTM6's in the mancave. there the CC is a F6CC.

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Hi have HTM-12's for LCR and Concentric-8's everywhere else. The C8's are discontinued. If I were you I'd go with Volt_10's. Like the C8's, the Volt-10s can be installed in the ceiling with an infinite baffle alignment. Just lay a layer of insulation over the back of the driver and you're good to go!

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