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Setup for back patio

Alright so I am trying to figure out my best solution.

Currently have the following:
Screen - Elite Screens Manual B, 100-INCH 16:9,
Projector - Use an old Dell 4:3 ***want to upgrade to 1080p this spring/summer. Looking for suggestions on a replacement projector as well.

Speakers: I have two outdoor speakers that are setup to my reciever indoors for playing music.

When I use the above setup I bring out my garage reciever/speakers and hook up a laptop for playback. I'm trying to figure out a more simplified option for this.

I can run a network drop out there and have power out there. It doesn't need to be super loud or anything.

Would I be able to just use the Roku Smart Soundbar and run a hdmi cable from that to a new projector that has hdmi? Maybe I am over thinking this. Any help/ideas would be great. I really want it just simple so my wife and kids can use it.

Plex is my source for playback reason I thought of the Roku.

Garage Setup:
Projector - Epson HC 1060
Screen - Elite Screens Manual B, 100-INCH 16:9
Receiver - Old Reciever & J-Tech Digital Premium Quality 1080P HDMI To HDMI + Audio (SPDIF + RCA Stereo) Audio Extractor Converter (JTDAT5CH)
Speakers - Dayton Audio MK402 4" 2-Way Bookshelf Speaker Pair
Source - Tube Shield TV


Patio Setup:
Projector - Epson HC 1060
Screen - Elite Screens Manual B, 100-INCH 16:9
Receiver - Denon 3400 Zone 2
Speakers -
Source - Tube Shield TV

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Alright so I am trying to figure out my best solution.


Currently have the following:
Screen - Elite Screens Manual B, 100-INCH 16:9,
Projector - Use an old Dell 4:3 ***want to upgrade to 1080p this spring/summer. Looking for suggestions on a replacement projector as well.

Speakers: I have two outdoor speakers that are setup to my reciever indoors for playing music.


When I use the above setup I bring out my garage reciever/speakers and hook up a laptop for playback. I'm trying to figure out a more simplified option for this.


I can run a network drop out there and have power out there. It doesn't need to be super loud or anything.


Would I be able to just use the Roku Smart Soundbar and run a hdmi cable from that to a new projector that has hdmi? Maybe I am over thinking this. Any help/ideas would be great. I really want it just simple so my wife and kids can use it.


Plex is my source for playback reason I thought of the Roku.


Well, I'll take a stab at it.

I would say that you need to first clearly state what your objective is.

From you verbiage, it sounds like you have two different receiver/speaker combinations to work with? You want a new projector and you're considering a soundbar. And it should be simple.

With a 100" screen and simple, I'd go with a TV. You can pick up a 75" to 85" TV for $700 or less than $2000. A TV is going to be easier to set up and operate. You can compensate for the size difference by sitting closer.



If you're opting for a projector, the work flow or equipment required is the same as you have now. That is, SOURCE > AMPLIFIER/SPEAKER > DISPLAY. So what ever source hardware you're planing to use, some sort of amplifier/speaker or amplified speaker for the audio, and a display which would be your projector/screen. Not sure that you can make it any simpler.

It would be helpful to share a budget figure and what equipment that you already have that you want to use.

If all you want is a 1080p projector to work with your 100" screen and a Roku 2 channel smart sound bar, then you can do that for well under $750. An Epson HC1060 projector (under $500) would work nicely for you and what ever soundbar you choose.

FWIW, my outdoor theater is 5.2 surround. I use Bluray/DVD, DuneHD/Zidoo media players, and IOGear wireless HDMI from indoor cable box as sources. A Denon AVR, Epson HC1060 projector, and a 144" screen completes the setup. I'm able to set everything up in ~1 hour by myself.
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OK so I am after simplicity once I get things dialed in/setup. I don't want to always have to set it up. It should be plug and play and easy enough for the wife or kids to get it going.



So I have the pull down screen out there already.
1) Add a low end 1080p projector with HDMI. $500 or less probably.


2) I haven't looked but can I pass source/sound to the projector outside from my Denon 3400 through hdmi. I know I can with music through analog.



If I can pass sound do I just use the speakers already hooked up for music? Will that be enough & loud enough.



If the above statement is false could I get away with just using a soundbar out there and how would I connect that.


To extend HDMI out there I came across these options - If I can go from the receiver to the projector and

- Monoprice HDMI Extender Using Cat5e or CAT6 Cable, Extend Up to 98ft

- Monoprice Blackbird HDMI Extender, 50m, PoC, IR Kit, Loop Out

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OK so I am after simplicity once I get things dialed in/setup. I don't want to always have to set it up. It should be plug and play and easy enough for the wife or kids to get it going.



So I have the pull down screen out there already.
1) Add a low end 1080p projector with HDMI. $500 or less probably.
Again, the Epson HC1060. It's ~$500 or less.


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2) I haven't looked but can I pass source/sound to the projector outside from my Denon 3400 through hdmi. I know I can with music through analog.
As a general rule, projectors don't do sound. If they do, the speakers are usually much less than adequate. Perhaps you should take a few moments of your time and familiarize yourself with the capabilities of your Denon AVR3400.

Again, the work flow would be SOURCE > AVR (in your case the Denon AVR X3400H) > DISPLAY/PROJECTOR. Connections between the SOURCE/AVR/PROJECTOR should be made by HDMI.



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If I can pass sound do I just use the speakers already hooked up for music? Will that be enough & loud enough.
Generally, yes.

However, I have no idea if they will be loud enough as I have no idea what speakers they are, how many you have, the distance/location relative to the screen and your seating position, or how loud you require the sound to be.


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If the above statement is false could I get away with just using a soundbar out there and how would I connect that.
Sure, you can use a soundbar.

Is it an active or passive soundbar?

If it's passive, then you'll need to power it with some thing like your Denon AVR.

If it's active then the connection procedure for a source and the projector will most likely be more complex. You will possibly need an HDMI splitter to send signal from the source to both the soundbar and projector as projectors typically do not have HDMI out or ARC.



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To extend HDMI out there I came across these options - If I can go from the receiver to the projector and

- Monoprice HDMI Extender Using Cat5e or CAT6 Cable, Extend Up to 98ft

- Monoprice Blackbird HDMI Extender, 50m, PoC, IR Kit, Loop Out
Yes, those options should work. What kind of distance are you talking about?

It's also possible to use an active HDMI cable or fiber optic HDMI for long runs. Another option is wireless HDMI.
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I will keep that projector in mind.


I figured out how to pass sound out while playing Video. Will need to do some more testing on it though.


I haven't had to measure distance yet but running a lan cable will be easier than the HDMI cable.

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So I may just skip using the reciever and go with the following.


Projector with the Roku soundbar. Then all I need is power to the projector(have that already) and long HDMI cable to go from the projector to the Roku Soundbar. I already have a data drop outside.

Roku Soundbar is only wireless so maybe.....


Thoughts?


Also I don't think the Epson HC1060 will work. The projector needs to be back 10-12 ft for the 100 inch screen I have.

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So I may just skip using the reciever and go with the following.


Projector with the Roku soundbar. Then all I need is power to the projector(have that already) and long HDMI cable to go from the projector to the Roku Soundbar. I already have a data drop outside.

Roku Soundbar is only wireless so maybe.....


Thoughts?


Also I don't think the Epson HC1060 will work. The projector needs to be back 10-12 ft for the 100 inch screen I have.

Look at the Epson HC2100. It will do your 10'-12' throw distance. Epson is selling them direct for $550 at the moment.

https://epson.com/For-Home/Projector...r/p/V11H851020

You could also look for an Epson HC1040. It was discontinued a little over a year ago but you should be able to find one. It's the same projector as the HC1060 but has a lens assembly that will support your screen size at 10'-12'. In other words the HC1060 was the replacement for the HC1040.

I personally would never use a sound bar.

Wiring is what it is and you need to do what will support the equipment you're using.

Wireless is not a good idea unless the audio and video are transmitted on the same TX/RX arrangement. Bluetooth does not transmit video and transmitting audio separate from an HDMI source, especially with Bluetooth, will/can result in audio/video sync issues.


For wireless HDMI Audio/Video I use the IOGear GW3DHDKIT product.

https://www.iogear.com/product/GW3DHDKIT/
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If I want to use the setup in the garage as well how could I get the following with sound -


Two channel receiver(no HDMI) ---> Roku --> Projector


Found the answer - https://www.avsforum.com/forum/159-o...l#post59599568


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Well after I remeasured some things I ended up going with the refurbished Epson HC1060 projector. It should arrive today.



To do list:
Garage Setup:
- Create a mount that will be interchangeable for in the garage and the deck. 1) https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY...Ceiling-Mount/ 2) https://techcrunch.com/2010/03/12/di...ceiling-mount/
- Figure out length of HDMI cable in garage once mounting place is picked out.
- Power It will be mounted near the power outlet in the ceiling.

Deck Setup:
- Figure out mounting spot.
- Figure out how I want to get the HDMI signal out there. 1) wireless HDMI Audio/Video I use the IOGear GW3DHDKIT 2) HDMI Extender Using Cat5e or CAT6 Cable
- Run Power to the projector.

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I have the mount done in the garage. I just need to measure for HDMI length now. Glad I waited as it is back a few inches than I thought originally.

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Garage setup is done and watched a few movies. Also got rid of some of the noise from the old 24 port switch by replacing it with something new and quieter. Also updated the main post with my two setups.

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