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Last time i tried that it did not look good when watching movies. Digital projector can recreate a [email protected] picture out of 1080i, but 1080i fed directly to a CRT may show a lot of scanlines and nose with movement etc, and do not do so well i think.

There are not many CRT users left in the world in 2018 i am afraid, so it may be hard to find someone that want to try this now.

It may look good on a still photo when the camera act like a "inverse telecine filter and joins up all the same scan lines for the still picture exposed at 0.8 sec in the camera .. To not think i will even try 720p at the moment, it does not feel right to do that with BD 1080p sorces. If i had a scaler that cold send [email protected], i wold have tried to use that for shure. Have seen that, and it does not look as bad as one may think. But one may use a little time getting used to it...

I will set up my new PJ with 800p and while I have both 800p and 1080p of the same Movies (a lot of the times) I will take shots on both 800p + 1080p. How you ask? Sending a 1080p signal thru KODI player passed as an 800p signal is easy as KODI automatically removes the upper and lower black bars from the 1080p signal, so in theory, we will be able to tell the difference between the two.
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I will set up my new PJ with 800p and while I have both 800p and 1080p of the same Movies (a lot of the times) I will take shots on both 800p + 1080p. How you ask? Sending a 1080p signal thru KODI player passed as an 800p signal is easy as KODI automatically removes the upper and lower black bars from the 1080p signal, so in theory, we will be able to tell the difference between the two.
Yes thewolfman, test and pictures from the screnchot and results of them will be very interesting indeed.

I think having a CRT still running in 2018 is nice, and the more the merrier.

This tread suport digitals supporters too, and i love projectors that trows good pictures i the home theater, even if they do mot use CRT in this equation.

This is one from my "old" JVC HD100 with A-lens and anamorphic stretch so the 2.35:1 uses all the 1080 lines in the projector.
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Yes thewolfman, test and pictures from the screnchot and results of them will be very interesting indeed.

I think having a CRT still running in 2018 is nice, and the more the merrier.

This tread suport digitals supporters too, and i love projectors that trows good pictures i the home theater, even if they do mot use CRT in this equation.

This is one from my "old" JVC HD100 with A-lens and anamorphic stretch so the 2.35:1 uses all the 1080 lines in the projector.


I have no problem with digitals either I'll just post the best I can with CRT. And feel free calling me Wolfman even though it is occupied by someone else.
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Here your image on the JVC HD100 and the screencap Ask4Me2


Think U need a calibration on that monster Red gain must be tuned down here.



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Here the full screencap if you want to try Wolf


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I will set up my new PJ with 800p and while I have both 800p and 1080p of the same Movies (a lot of the times) I will take shots on both 800p + 1080p. How you ask? Sending a 1080p signal thru KODI player passed as an 800p signal is easy as KODI automatically removes the upper and lower black bars from the 1080p signal, so in theory, we will be able to tell the difference between the two.
Hi Wolfy Hope you don't get so much trouble with the new one, and congratulations on a new CRT. I'm shore it will be great.
You say : "I have both 800p and 1080p" that was not what I meant, but I think its best that you post the best of your Marquee, and don't need to borrow manipulated pictures on other forums LOL. In here I like both CRT and Digitals, and know the limitations so its just to post.
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Hi Wolfy Hope you don't get so much trouble with the new one, and congratulations on a new CRT. I'm shore it will be great.
You say : "I have both 800p and 1080p" that was not what I meant, but I think its best that you post the best of your Marquee, and don't need to borrow manipulated pictures on other forums LOL. In here I like both CRT and Digitals, and know the limitations so its just to post.
It wasn't exactly what you wanted but this will also tell a story, magnified. I can't tell the difference from seating position but really like to know if there is one up close. 800 should come out ahead and so easy to find out I wonder why I haven't done so Before. But it will be awhile the pj is in monocules and need to get rid of the old one first. And thanks for the caps it will help with colors.
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It wasn't exactly what you wanted but this will also tell a story, magnified. I can't tell the difference from seating position but really like to know if there is one up close. 800 should come out ahead and so easy to find out I wonder why I haven't done so Before. But it will be awhile the pj is in monocules and need to get rid of the old one first. And thanks for the caps it will help with colors.
The point with 1080i was to get the CRT projector to resolve bandwidth and better resolution, because of less stress on the CRTs. But like I have said I don't prefer 1080i on a CRT. This is something you need to get used to over a period of time. The CRT will also be more comfortable with 48 HZ 1080P. With some of the same result, stressing the CRTs less and using less bandwidth and getting a better experienced resolution. But you will get the flickering that I don't like much.


Be careful not to burn another set of tubes also. Specially in 235:1 adjustment. Know the limitations.

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Yes thewolfman, test and pictures from the screnchot and results of them will be very interesting indeed.

I think having a CRT still running in 2018 is nice, and the more the merrier.

This tread suport digitals supporters too, and i love projectors that trows good pictures i the home theater, even if they do mot use CRT in this equation.

This is one from my "old" JVC HD100 with A-lens and anamorphic stretch so the 2.35:1 uses all the 1080 lines in the projector.
You see here just with some red removed form your picture look better.

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Here picture of a JVC RS540.


Brighter than the screencap, but a quick picture taken.


First The JVC 540



Then Screen cap removed black bars.

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My first suggeston came out wrong.. 1080p passed as an 800p automatically in KODI should on the contrary NOT reveal any diffrances because it is only zoomed in. But proper encoded 800p vs proper 1080p signal should make 800p a bit better magnified. But something tells me that a genuin 1080p disc @ 72hz probably Paints a better image anyway. I woulnd't be surprised at all..
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Here picture of a JVC RS540.


Brighter than the screencap, but a quick picture taken.


First The JVC 540



Then Screen cap removed black bars.


Here's Another good example of a screencap that looks so ****ing muted and whased out it's silly. Your own 540 JVC looks more Alive and kicking. Brighter some how. I wonder why people wants to hang me for saying that when it's the truth a lot of the times. This is one of them..

EDIT: I missed out on you saying it was a bad representation with your photo. Maybe that's what's happening when I find screencaps to be absolut **** compared to the live thing. I'm sure it is..

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Here's Another good example of a screencap that looks so ****ing muted and whased out it's silly. Your own 540 JVC looks more Alive and kicking. Brighter some how. I wonder why people wants to hang me for saying that when it's the truth a lot of the times. This is one of them..

EDIT: I missed out on you saying it was a bad representation with your photo. Maybe that's what's happening when I find screencaps to be absolut **** compared to the live thing. I'm sure it is..

Brighter because of the shutter time, and because the light reflects back to the lens, the colors not far off. But will never be 100% with a camera, and of Corse the processing in the digital camera. So lack will it always be, then how it looks in real.


Screen cap is how it shall look end of story. But you or me don't have the monitor calibrated to how it was mastered in production, so there will be differences. That's why you can use the screen cap and take a picture with your camera on screen. Its the same as using the BD disk. But then use the one with black bars like I did posted earlier.


Is your machine up and running?
What have you done with it?
Any modds?
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Brighter because of the shutter time, and because the light reflects back to the lens, the colors not far off. But will never be 100% with a camera, and of Corse the processing in the digital camera. So lack will it always be, then how it looks in real.


Screen cap is how it shall look end of story. But you or me don't have the monitor calibrated to how it was mastered in production, so there will be differences. That's why you can use the screen cap and take a picture with your camera on screen. Its the same as using the BD disk. But then use the one with black bars like I did posted earlier.


Is your machine up and running?
What have you done with it?
Any modds?

No, not up and running yet, I got it home yesterday. But if I were to sell it it would be costly for an entusiast and I wouldn't sell it for anything less than 15000 SEK. That's how much I love it already, I have this craving to post the mods done to it because he Went to Town on every board on it, not only the boards itself but also the duaghter boards. But, sadly, it is his documentation to post and not me. I want to, believe me, but in the end it's his chioce to make..
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No, not up and running yet, I got it home yesterday. But if I were to sell it it would be costly for an entusiast and I wouldn't sell it for anything less than 15000 SEK. That's how much I love it already, I have this craving to post the mods done to it because he Went to Town on every board on it, not only the boards itself but also the duaghter boards. But, sadly, it is his documentation to post and not me. I want to, believe me, but in the end it's his chioce to make..

I think that 15000 SEK is impossible to get for a CRT today, there only enthusiasts left and they wont pay. Reasonable price around 1000-6000 SEK. So best to keep it if you like it.


With so much done with it no doubt keep it until you recycle it..
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Bought in parts it adds up fast. About 6500 SEK for the machine + 2500 SEK NIB Red tube + 3500 SEK NIB green + 3500 for a NIB blue. Total: 16000 SEK. But yes, I see what you are saying it's hard times selling CRT parts so a keeper until recycle. Luckely it will last me thousands of hours of good use.
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Bought in parts it adds up fast. About 6500 SEK for the machine + 2500 SEK NIB Red tube + 3500 SEK NIB green + 3500 for a NIB blue. Total: 16000 SEK. But yes, I see what you are saying it's hard times selling CRT parts so a keeper until recycle. Luckely it will last me thousands of hours of good use.

Even if you paid 50K for it today marked price on CRT is down to zero. So based on that, keep it. But I guess that's the plan also
You have many enjoyable hours on it so use them good.
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Here your image on the JVC HD100 and the screencap Ask4Me2


Think U need a calibration on that monster Red gain must be tuned down here.



yes the colors did not come out right from that file.
Have a raw file from that and cheked the white balance and set it to 6500k instead. does it look better now?
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Better more correct for shore.
RS540 here below, see it side by side with the HD100. Quite close for a old JVC monster to my picture.
Make the JAC animation, because I don't have big enough size of your picture..

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Found a Picture that is a great CRT shot. But I think it has to much possessing. "Maybe to get it look better."?
What do the crowd think`?

Here also screen cap from the frame in the film then the one with black bars, a JVC X7900 and side by side.
Also like I have said before, you see the limitations in the lenses with MTF.
Seen at a big screen you will see huge differences in debt and dynamic and detail sharpness because of low MTF.
Colors look fine on the CRT. Almost to correct, so I guess a Lumagen calibrating. MTF on the CRT shows poor resolution around 720P might some lower.


Here switch animasjon full picture


The JVC have e-shift on, so also the MTF gets LOW. Settings in the MPC 1,0,0 clear black off.


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JVC X7900



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Here a OLD Jvc HD750 un-calibrated so far, compared to the "best world wide CRT projector Marquee supermodded.


This shows enormous enhancement before or after picture taken on the CRT. Like use of massive darbee or any lumagen.
the person complains about digital projector how they destroy the picture because of processing, and are so unreal.
This just prove the total opposite. So don't go in the trap. The picture of the HD750 was taken quick setup, so no job in getting it perfect.

Marquee CRT supermoddet first and then the Old outdated JVC HD750.


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Here you see the difference with a newer JVC X7900 vs the JVC HD 750


First the HD750



Then the JVC X7900

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Here you see close up photo zoomed inn, in the camera on both.
Pixels only visible on the HD750. The X7900 have none visible pixels.
110 inch screen. The x7900 have a more pure picture in my opinion.


Mainly to get any JVC correct you must calibrate gama perfect.. If not will look poor. Also the hardness in the HD750 makes the total image look possessed.
Both gama 2.3, both REC709 D65 16 FL.









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I'm borrowing and calibrating a old JVC HD750, I have to say it was a really a downgrading from my X7900.
And cool to try out a old JVC again.
But quit ok.



Here you can see the pictures together then a old CRT and the old Digital. Also tried to match MPs pictures as good as possible.
The HD750 worth almost nothing today, but after a pro calibrating looks ok. And much better than any cheep DLP.


Mainly the gamma was so off on the HD750 that it was almost impossible to fix. So picture were totally flat and boring.
And had to use a external possessor for the gamma and CMS to get it corrected to reference.


Here a Marquee with a clean video source.
I'm quit impressed about the CRT actually, also when I know that the photo is not tampered with.


First MPs Marquee



Then the JVC HD750 also no enhancement everything adjusted to zero. So as clean as possible.



First MPs Marquee



Then the JVC HD750



Crt on the Left and the HD750 on the right.


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Here a great 9 inc. Marquee CRT experience .
Must be closer to VHS quality than ever before or less. Hope that someone can post a CRT that shows some better result.
Film: Lucy.


Here a Sony VW260 calibrated Source BD and a Marquee 95** modded with a lot of awesomeness.
Also a comparment with and without reality creation on. Settings resolution in reality creation 0 and 10

Here also another one no need to say whats the Sony



First side by side with a Sony VW260 vs a CRT then side by side. Reality creation ON and OFF second picture.
With the CRT without reality creation.
On look way to processed I think.


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Hi DJ Dee

Is that external Shutter DIY ? Thanks
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Is that external Shutter DIY ? Thanks
Yes its a external shutter for 1080P and 4K even HDR. Made by a friend here in Norway.
Works perfect. Instant and super accurate.
Only shuts off with 0 ire.

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Yes its a external shutter for 1080P and 4K even HDR. Made by a friend here in Norway.
Works perfect. Instant and super accurate.
Only shuts off with 0 ire.

Your friend who made this could make a fortune over this DIY shutter. Why did you not tell me about this Before?


Although, I did read awhile ago, over one having a JVC x9900 who swore he thought the projector broke down on him with the sudden zero visabilty (as you all know I love so much) so why do you need a DIY if it's like that already?
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Your friend who made this could make a fortune over this DIY shutter. Why did you not tell me about this Before?


Although, I did read awhile ago, over one having a JVC x9900 who swore he thought the projector broke down on him with the sudden zero visabilty (as you all know I love so much) so why do you need a DIY if it's like that already?

Problem is the price.


The value as it stands in parts are 1000 dollar. So cost quit much.
No digital bulb projector can fade 2 black 100%. But the iris on the x7900 and the x9900 does this around 95-98% So there will be stray light on the screen.


But form a bright scene you will not be able to see the stray light when going black, then without a shutter. After some seconds you will see the stray light on the screen. This shutter eliminates this, and keep it 100% 0 ire until there is not. If not it opens. This shutter is programed to measure over 20000 measurements per period of around 30 milliseconds.


So if you think your CRT shuts down to 0 IRE this does it 100% and accurate.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...pro-1-0-a.html
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Just wanted to take a check on this one.

I used this posted screencap to take the photo from the screen. 1920x1080
Picture is scaled to 4K in the OPPO UHD BD player
This is a easy picture, when not much sharpness or resolution needed.
But still you see that captured by the camera it shows quit much, when comparing just the pictures.

First the Screencap


Then the JVC


Then the G90


And last the Marquee


Here all 3 together.
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